You're asking me to radically reinterpret a million verses without any logical compelling basis for me to do so. Sin is beneficial? Everything in Scripture - the whole reason Christ died - suggests the opposite.
No! I am not asking you to reinterpret verses on sin.
Sin created an unbelievable huge debt for the sinner.
Sin hurts God.
Yes, if we had not sinned Christ would not have had to go to the cross, but if I had not sinned I would not have accepted God’s charity (Love/grace/mercy) in the form of forgiveness and thus not have obtained Godly type Love.
God does not want us to sin.
For the most part all the verses on sin do not address: “why God allows us to sin and the benefits of sin”, but you can look at Luke 7.
There is an unbelievable huge benefit to accepting God’s forgiveness for our sins, since Jesus has taught us (Luke 7:36-50) “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”, so if you are forgiven (and accept that forgiveness as pure charity) of an unbelievable huge debt created by sin, you will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love) and I see no other way for humans to obtain this unbelievable huge Love but will listen to you?
If it takes being forgiven of an unbelievable huge debt created by sin to obtain Love, than
you will first have to sin? (Sin would have purpose/benefit at least for the person prior to obtaining their initial portion of Godly type Love.)
I spent lots of time defining this Godly type Love in my first post to you.
There MUST be a reason that He allows sin. See my post #230.
Original sin.
I read your post 230 and cannot believe you are accusing me of unchristian radical ideas.
You say: “He NEEDED us for some reason. He felt He had no other choice. None.”
Yet scripture says: Acts 17:25 And
he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.
If you think about how could a created being made from scratch, provide anything for the creator of everything.
We can see how God’s Love would compel God to make humans because God can make humans, but it would be for the sake of those humans who would accept His charity even though most will refuse His charity. You might go on to say it is in a way “for God’s sake” (His Love can be expressed to needy humans), but it is really humans who are the needy ones and it is for their sake.
Again, man’s objective is driving everything.
The burden of proof is on you. Try preaching in the pulpits on the benefits of sin. Most congregations would throw you out on your ear.
I have taught lots of adult classes and preached some and have always been able to defend my views and show the issues with other views.
I am not saying Christians benefit from sinning, but the nonbeliever is in part brought to Christ by the burden sin creates (the hurting of others in the past), the huge debt He sees sin has created, how much God hates sin, the humbling effect of sin and seeing/believing the change that can occur in him through forgiveness of his sins. Sin is needed for forgiveness but that does not mean; “you should go on sinning that grace may abound”.
Angels didn't sin in my view. So the difference between someone going to heaven versus hell is SIN. But yes, Christ died to forgive our sins. And?
Wow, we know very little about angels and if they had a previous life on an earth like place and sinned there?
Humans as not spiritual beings to begin with here on earth.
NO! this is not true “…someone going to heaven versus hell is SIN” since all mature adults “sin” and yet some go to heaven and some go to hell, sin cannot be the deciding factor.
God and Christ did forgive sins without Christ going to the cross, so there is another reason for Christ going to the cross (this is the huge subject of atonement).
Sin wasn't inevitable for Adam and Eve. (Inevitability is not sin). They freely chose to sin.
They can certainly “choose” to sin and sinning still be inevitable. The fact that it is inevitable does not mean God caused it. If you live long enough you will hurt yourself some time some way, but God did not cause you to hurt yourself when it happens.
God had no choice but to allow free will. See my post #230.
Free will does not force God to allow satan in the garden or have the tree of knowledge in the Garden, so why are they there?
Why is God forced to provide “free will” anyway?
False. God allowed that possibility out of His own needs, in my opinion.
So you have a needy God?
I think you have a tunnel vision because you're not open to the possiblity that God has a need. If God has no needs, and is perfectly good, then suffering, sin, freedom to sin (etc) would all be impossible.
Wow, it is not for God’s need since God does not have any needs, but it is all for man’s need to become like God Himself in that man has Godly type Love (God is Love).
God does not need something from man, but God out of a totally unselfish Love just wants to shower man with unbelievable gifts, but the transaction of true charitable gift giving requires the receiver to accept those gifts as they were given (out of pure sacrificial charity).
I don't believe in innocent infants. Maybe you haven't read my posts.
I do.