Origin of God's Morality.

[Davian]

Where have I said the belief is not a conscious choice?

I never said you did that. However, when asked to demonstrate, for yourself, that belief is a conscious choice, you have responded with evasion and obfuscation.

No,

So the serial killers can go to heaven while others burn for eternity for reasons beyond their control. This 'morality' of yours gets even stranger.

but it sure does complicate things for you though.....

How so, assuming your theology has any bearing on reality?

 

[civilwarbuff]

I never said you did that. However, when asked to demonstrate, for yourself, that belief is a conscious choice, you have responded with evasion and obfuscation.

but if you acknowledge that belief is not a conscious choice, you are depicting it as morally bankrupt.

Please quite being disengenuous or we are done.....

So the serial killers can go to heaven while others burn for eternity for reasons beyond their control. This 'morality' of yours gets even stranger.
How so, assuming your theology has any bearing on reality?

I suggest you read the bible rather than wasting your time debating what you don't understand....
1 Cor 2:14.

 

[Davian]

Please quite being disengenuous or we are done.....

I do not see what my sincerity has to do with anything. I am challenging your claim that belief is a conscious choice.

What am I to conclude from your evasion and obfuscation when challenged on it?

I suggest you read the bible rather than wasting your time debating what you don't understand....
1 Cor 2:14.

What is there to understand? Serial killers can go to heaven while others burn for eternity for reasons beyond their control.

Maybe you need the "Spirit of God" to convince you that this is a good thing, but then why do you not simply own up to it, rather than being evasive?

 

[civilwarbuff]

We are accountable only for our choices......you don't understand something so simple not my problem.....

 

[Davian]

We are accountable only for our choices......you don't understand something so simple not my problem.....

I thought you were going to defend your beliefs. You have done a very poor job of that so far.....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

To use your own phrase, so what? You obviously don't have the faith of a mustard seed.

That's good, seeing as faith isn't a virtue.

It's funny you're on a Christian board arguing against Christians.

I have been here since 2007, when I joined as a Christian.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

We are accountable only for our choices......you don't understand something so simple not my problem.....

Okay, so that means Yahweh won't punish sincere nonbelief? Nonbelievers make it to Heaven?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Okay, so that means Yahweh won't punish sincere nonbelief?

Where did you get such a strange idea? Are you hoping to hitch your wagon to it?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Where did you get such a strange idea? Are you hoping to hitch your wagon to it?

You didn't answer my question. If we are only held accountable for our choices, then why should anyone be punished for sincere nonbelief, unless you think that sincere nonbelief is a choice?

 

[civilwarbuff]

You didn't answer my question. If we are only held accountable for our choices, then why should anyone be punished for sincere nonbelief, unless you think that sincere nonbelief is a choice?

How do you define nonbelief? As in no knowledge of or knowledge of but reject God? If the latter you know the truth and are held accountable for your choice.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

How do you define nonbelief? As in no knowledge of or knowledge of but reject God? If the latter you know the truth and are held accountable for your choice.

As in, not believing because one is not convinced that Christianity is true.

 

[civilwarbuff]

As in, not believing because one is not convinced that Christianity is true.

So knowing of Christianity and rejecting it, correct?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

So knowing of Christianity and rejecting it, correct?

Not being convinced of its doctrines. The same way you aren't convinced of the doctrines of Islam.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Not being convinced of its doctrines. The same way you aren't convinced of the doctrines of Islam.

I do not know the doctrines of Islam so I can't relate....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I do not know the doctrines of Islam so I can't relate....

You're being evasive. Answer the question, or admit you won't/can't.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are you speaking of one of these:

KJV Dictionary Definition: unbelief
unbelief
UNBELIE'F, n.

1. Incredulity; the withholding of belief; as, unbelief is blind.

2. Infidelity; disbelief of divine revelation.

3. In the New Testament, disbelief of the truth of the gospel, rejection of Christ as the Savior of men, and of the doctrines he taught; distrust of God's promises and faithfulness, &c. Matt. 13. Mark 16. Heb. 3. Rom. 4.

4. Weak faith. Mark 9.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Are you speaking of one of these:

KJV Dictionary Definition: unbelief
unbelief
UNBELIE'F, n.

1. Incredulity; the withholding of belief; as, unbelief is blind.

2. Infidelity; disbelief of divine revelation.

3. In the New Testament, disbelief of the truth of the gospel, rejection of Christ as the Savior of men, and of the doctrines he taught; distrust of God's promises and faithfulness, &c. Matt. 13. Mark 16. Heb. 3. Rom. 4.

4. Weak faith. Mark 9.

Seriously? You don't know what "nonbelief" means? Do you believe in Big Foot?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Serious, I don't know the doctrines of Islam (why would I) so I can't relate....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Seriously? You don't know what "nonbelief" means? Do you believe in Big Foot?

Is it one of those?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Is it one of those?

Do you believe in Big Foot?