Origin of God's Morality.

[DogmaHunter]

I know that St. Nicholas is real.

That wasn't the question, but I understand how you have a need to avoid the obvious.

No doubt about it.

Again, not the question

So what are you really doing here?

Showing that the claim that one can "choose" what to believe, to be utterly wrong in every possible way.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Unbelief and unconvinced have different meanings....

But they are interconnected.

How can you believe something of which you are not convinced?
Or
How can you not believe something of which you ARE convinced?

You understand that "to believe" means "to accept as true", right?
How do you do that, if you are not convinced it is true?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I am not willing to let you change horses in the middle of the stream; that is why I am insisting you choose one definition or the other and stick to it. If not, sayonara.

You first presented the definition of "unbelief" given in the KJV Dictionary. You then switched to a different source, in which the definitions given match only one of the definitions given by your first (religious) source.

In any case, I don't see why this discussion is even necessary. What is the conceptual difference between not believing something to be true and not being convinced of its truth?

 

[Root of Jesse]

That's good, seeing as faith isn't a virtue.

I have been here since 2007, when I joined as a Christian.

So you're like the seed that was planted in rocky soil, it grew but could not sustain itself. There's a lot of you out there. Your faith was never tested, and when it was, it broke quickly. Got it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

So you're like the seed that was planted in rocky soil, it grew but could not sustain itself.

It grew beyond faith.

There's a lot of you out there. Your faith was never tested, and when it was, it broke quickly. Got it.

I wouldn't describe several years as "quickly."

 

[Root of Jesse]

Good job dodging the obvious.

How is it dodging the obvious? The relationship of Muslims to God is slave/Master. The relationship of Christians to God is children/Father.

 

[Root of Jesse]

How can you know that your interpretation of such manifestation is correct, if you can't verify it?

It's called 'discernment'. I try not to question God's plan, for it is perfect. I do question it, all too often, but eventually, I let God be God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

That wasn't the question, but I understand how you have a need to avoid the obvious.

Who do you think Santa Claus was modeled after?

Again, not the question



Showing that the claim that one can "choose" what to believe, to be utterly wrong in every possible way.

How is it wrong? Catholics can choose what they want to believe, Muslims, too; Protestants, too. Even you. But God has shown us the right way. So even if you choose wrong, that doesn't mean the Truth isn't still out there.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It grew beyond faith.

I don't think that's for you to determine...

I wouldn't describe several years as "quickly."

You wouldn't, but it's not yours to determine. I would say you chose to ignore the Truth. Not that I'm judging or anything, that's God's job.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

How is it wrong? Catholics can choose what they want to believe, Muslims, too; Protestants, too. Even you. But God has shown us the right way. So even if you choose wrong, that doesn't mean the Truth isn't still out there.

I don't know about you, but I can't just choose to sincerely believe that there is a unicorn in front of me right now.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't think that's for you to determine...You wouldn't, but it's not yours to determine. I would say you chose to ignore the Truth. Not that I'm judging or anything, that's God's job.

It does sound like you're judging, but I'd be curious to see how you justify that judgment...

 

[Root of Jesse]

I don't know about you, but I can't just choose to sincerely believe that there is a unicorn in front of me right now.

You can choose that, if you think that's what you see...it is your choice.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You can choose that, if you think that's what you see...it is your choice.

Actually, no, I can't. Can you? Can you choose to believe that there is a unicorn in front of you right now?

 

[Root of Jesse]

It does sound like you're judging, but I'd be curious to see how you justify that judgment...

I don't really care, and do not know you to judge you. You might be 'simply ignorant' of the truth. (I grew up Evangelical, but my parents' faith wasn't very strong-they dutifully went to church but it wasn't strong, so mine wasn't strong either, until later in life. I was simply ignorant, too.) But you say you studied and studied and even contemplated a religious life. I know that, in seminaries, they teach philosophy before they teach religion to priests, and it's been said that they do that to test the faith of the seminarians. Some, though they want to be priests, do not have strong faith, and get out pretty quickly, and many of those fall away from being Catholic or even Christian.

I don't know your situation, so I cannot judge, and would not condemn your choice. That's between you and God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Actually, no, I can't. Can you? Can you choose to believe that there is a unicorn in front of you right now?

If there is one, I can. If there's not one, I can't. But who am I to say what you're seeing? You can choose to see whatever you want, or not see, too. I think you chose not to see Christianity, for whatever reason.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If there is one, I can. If there's not one, I can't. But who am I to say what you're seeing? You can choose to see whatever you want, or not see, too. I think you chose not to see Christianity, for whatever reason.

What do you mean, "if there is one"? Can you choose to do so, right now, or can't you?

 

[Root of Jesse]

What do you mean, "if there is one"? Can you choose to do so, right now, or can't you?

There! Now I can. Now the question becomes, "Are unicorns real?" There's a Truthful answer for that. No, unicorns aren't real.

 

[bhsmte]

How do you define nonbelief? As in no knowledge of or knowledge of but reject God? If the latter you know the truth and are held accountable for your choice.

For me, non belief in a god is simply not having a rational and or logical reason to believe in one and i dont well believing in things i cant reconcile with well evidenced reality.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think that's for you to determine...You wouldn't, but it's not yours to determine. I would say you chose to ignore the Truth. Not that I'm judging or anything, that's God's job.

Not judging?

Absolutely hilarious!

 

[bhsmte]

I don't really care, and do not know you to judge you. You might be 'simply ignorant' of the truth. (I grew up Evangelical, but my parents' faith wasn't very strong-they dutifully went to church but it wasn't strong, so mine wasn't strong either, until later in life. I was simply ignorant, too.) But you say you studied and studied and even contemplated a religious life. I know that, in seminaries, they teach philosophy before they teach religion to priests, and it's been said that they do that to test the faith of the seminarians. Some, though they want to be priests, do not have strong faith, and get out pretty quickly, and many of those fall away from being Catholic or even Christian.

I don't know your situation, so I cannot judge, and would not condemn your choice. That's between you and God.

What truth?

Truth can be demonstrated, have at it.