One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Floatingaxe]

Some people who post here seem to think that by shouting their doctrine over and over, they will convince those of us who disagree with them. It won't work. Shouting at us, and then shouting louder, is not going to change my thinking. It's just a lot of pointless noise.

You are right there!

People have a choice. Many choose to reject heaven, but it is still up to them.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ah, you claim again to speak for God. But you don't. Your beliefs are only beliefs, just like mine.

Btw, some of the people who believe as I do are Christian ministers. You want to tell them that they are not really Christians? I bet you do.

They aren't, plain and simple.

Once again on this treadmill:

Born again Christians do speak for God. It's our job.

 

[davedjy]

If you were a brother in Christ, we would have a level playing field for debate. There is no debate when we are from two separate camps, spiritually.

It is relevant.

Irrelevant, as my walk with Christ has nothing to do with this discussion...and I am a Christian, you can say that I'm not all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. The only reason we don't have a level playing field is because you aren't really qualified to debate, as you are uneducated on the topic matter. Since you cannot debate adequately you try shooting the person down spiritually. It isn't going to work with me.

It's a whitewash, just to fit your ideas. You don;t believe in the Word of God or that God is omnipotent, so what basis would we have to debate. I have said it beforer--Christians cannot debate issues of morality with unbelievers. It's like apples and oranges.

You are putting words in my mouth, I never said that I don't believe in the Word of God or that God is not omnipotent. That is your highly faulty proposition, based upon ERRONEOUS conclusions. I also don't confuse the translators with God like you do. There isn't any qualified debater that would resort to that nonsense.

There is great unity in the transcription of the Scriptures. Do you really think God, the Master of all Creation would leave the job of translation up to just anyone? Give your head a shake.

You may wish to give YOURSELF a shake. AS you are no more qualified to say that the translator that said the word was "masturbator", or the translator that said the word is "Male pimp", or the translator that said it is "male prostitute", is more or less "chosen" by God than the one who said "homosexual".

 

[lincolngreen50]

The order in which I describe the different kinds of Christians is not "descending." It's from right to left, actually, at least in a broad sense. It goes from most rigid to most latitudinarian. There is no hierarchy among the groups as I discuss them, just differences.

I am a believer; I just don't believe in the doctrine that you believe in. I believe differently from you. I have never been closeted about what I believe, and so I did not just "out" myself. I was always out.

God requires the one believer who will believe in him through Jesus Christ.A believer who believes that Christ died for our sin debt and was resurrected after 3 days.
God wants Christian Knights that will stand up for him and defend the Word of the Lord against those who try to corrupt the Word of God.
The Lord wants Christian Knights who will stand up for Israel and the Jews ,Gods chosen people.
Those who believe in the Word of God are grafted in as a branch on the fig tree.
The Book of Jude is important as it warns us all about those who say they believe but spread a doctrine that is
not the Word of God.
We are already seeing this throughout the World and on this site.
In the book of Jude Christian believers are encouraged to remain steadfast in their faith and they will be rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven.
He also reminds us to have compassion for those who seek to deceive and spread a lie and pray for them.

 

[Ohioprof]

They aren't, plain and simple.

Once again on this treadmill:

Born again Christians do speak for God. It's our job.

I don't think so. I think they speak only for themselves, just as everyone else does.

 

[Ohioprof]

God requires the one believer who will believe in him through Jesus Christ.A believer who believes that Christ died for our sin debt and was resurrected after 3 days.
God wants Christian Knights that will stand up for him and defend the Word of the Lord against those who try to corrupt the Word of God.
The Lord wants Christian Knights who will stand up for Israel and the Jews ,Gods chosen people.
Those who believe in the Word of God are grafted in as a branch on the fig tree.
The Book of Jude is important as it warns us all about those who say they believe but spread a doctrine that is
not the Word of God.
We are already seeing this throughout the World and on this site.
In the book of Jude Christian believers are encouraged to remain steadfast in their faith and they will be rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven.
He also reminds us to have compassion for those who seek to deceive and spread a lie and pray for them.

You are certainly free to believe whatever you want. I simply don't agree with any of this.

 

[Ohioprof]

You are a broken record. You are wrong to believe that. It isn't even logical to do that.

Christianity is not some smorgasbord, where you can pick and choose!

Actually, people can choose to believe whatever they want. It's called freedom of religion, and thank God we have it! People are free to disagree, to debate, to expand our understanding through free and open discussion. Our beliefs can change, and that's what God gave us brains for. To change our thinking and develop our ideas over time.

 

[Ohioprof]

If God, whom you claim to love, never said that, then why would you believe it?

You are making it up as you go along. what reward is there in that and what assurance could you possibly have? Why do you disregard what He says?

It is obvious, you love only the idea of God that you have created yourself. It isn't God at all.

I am not seeking a reward. I believe in God because I love life and I am developing spiritually. I am developing my faith as I live my life. I do not believe that faith is a doctrine; for me faith is a practice, not a set of beliefs. Jesus is a guide to that practice.

I do not disregard what God says. I do not believe the Bible is what God says. I think the Bible is what human beings have said about God, not the word of God.

 

[lincolngreen50]

I don't think so. I think they speak only for themselves, just as everyone else does.

When the flood came ,those who had mocked God were knocking on the door of the ark.`Please lets us in Noah`,but it was too late.
Time is running short.Does one want to be left behind on Judgment day

 

[Ohioprof]

The Catholic church veered way off-base. The Reformation blew it wide open.

Denominations are evidence that people cannot agree with one another, and that there are those who refuse to be led--so they leave their local body and start up another. It's the sin of sedition.

But there is a core of believers everywhere in this world who have it down good! Even with some of these denominations, the differences are relatively negligible, and do not impede on people receiving Christ.

The bigger issues such as homosexuality are blowing up congregations and doing great damage to the Body of Christ, because some churches are allowing sin and liberalism in, thereby bringing in that great apostasy that is prophsied about.

It is here on our doorstep.

This contradicts what you said earlier. Earlier you said that all Christians agree, and that any disagreements have been over only minor issues. Now you concede that Christians have had major disagreements. Indeed they have, and they still do, as evidenced by the posts in these forums, the lively debates over major issues and major points of disagreement.

 

[lincolngreen50]

You are certainly free to believe whatever you want. I simply don't agree with any of this.

It doesnt matter wether you believe with my belief or not.It is wether you believe in the Word of God and the ressurection of Jesus Christ.
It is God that is going to judge us all and I fear God,I fear him with all my heart.
Do you fear Him?

 

[Ohioprof]

It doesnt matter wether you believe with my belief or not.It is wether you believe in the Word of God and the ressurection of Jesus Christ.
It is God that is going to judge us all and I fear God,I fear him with all my heart.
Do you fear Him?

No. I do not fear God. I love God.

 

[Ohioprof]

When the flood came ,those who had mocked God were knocking on the door of the ark.`Please lets us in Noah`,but it was too late.
Time is running short.Does one want to be left behind on Judgment day

There is no judgment day. There is only life and death and life again.

 

[davedjy]

There is no judgment day. There is only life and death and life again.

You believe in reincarnation?

 

[Floatingaxe]

I don't think so. I think they speak only for themselves, just as everyone else does.

Of course that is why you pick and choose what you will believe.

But sadly, you are wrong. We speak for God as we are called to do.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No. I do not fear God. I love God.

Who is this God you speak of? Does He have a name? Tell us about Him.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No. I do not fear God. I love God.

Why not? Even Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David feared God, yet also loved Him.

God is to be feared.

Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."


Acts 9:31
Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

 

[lincolngreen50]

No. I do not fear God. I love God.

Proverbs8:13.The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.Pride and arrogance and the evil way.And the perverse mouth I hate.
`As believers grow spiritually,Those believers change from trying to stop the evil things that they really want to do,to actually hating the evil thing so they no longer want to do it`.
Those who do not fear the Lord will never grow spiritually.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

If you would do your research, you will find that rabbinical Hallakah and Haggadah have both always condemned homosexuality throughout history of Judaism. Hallakah and Haggadah were always based upon the Hebrew Scriptures, which they read fluently.


But what did they know?


Hebrew, perhaps? And, its intent?

Well apparently they missed the coming of the Christ. So I would tend to think, that everything else they say, is suspect.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Well apparently they missed the coming of the Christ. So I would tend to think, that everything else they say, is suspect.

Seems to me, homosexuals who claim Christ have missed Him too.