One Jesus, two testimonies?

[GenemZ]

Possibly all references in support of homosexual relationships were erased from scripture by unbiblical men.

http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/rome.htm

Parts of the Bible that support homosexual relationships were taken out by unbiblical men?!?

Sorry.. I can not help this! ....

Now I have heard everything!





You forget something?

The Torah has been strictly preserved and transcribed by the Jews. Tell me? Were they in cahoots with the church on this, as well? All texts and scrolls out there were found, edited, and recirculated? Nonsense!

And? That links says nothing about what you claimed. It primarily about Roman cultural norms adapted by the church. It makes no mention of Scriptures being erased. Its does speak however, about man's process and evolution in discovering and understanding of what God's Word demands of the believer. I also found it interesting that it was the homosexual men that hated hearing about God's Son.


In Christ, GeneZ

 

[tulc]

My friend had her baby! He's beautiful! It was the scariest thing I ever saw, but so touching that I actually said a prayer. His name is James and I'm godmother!

I want to share the news with everyone!

Wonderful news!!
tulc(always happy for good news!)

 

[Brieuse]

Wonderful news!!
tulc(always happy for good news!)

Yes, congrats!!!!!!

 

[Brieuse]

You forget something? The Torah has been strictly preserved and transcribed by the Jews

no scripture was safe in those darkest of times.

 

[GenemZ]

Wonderful news!!
tulc(always happy for good news!)

Really? Their having a two for one, sale on coffee at Walmart next Monday!

 

[GenemZ]

no scripture was safe in those darkest of times.

Anddddd.... you know?

Sniff!? Sniff!?

Do I smell wishful thinking?


Yes, it was the darkest of times.

Homosexuality was still rampant in the world.

Many hand carefully guarded written copies of the Torah were distributed around the known world. It was not as if they could email each other and tell everyone what to edit out. And, think of all the commentary that would also have to be edited. And, not to mention, to have historians agree to be hush on the matter.


Not very likely... A king or two tried to have the Word of God altered in sections. And, that was well known historically. And, this is my one complaint about apologists approach for the gay movement. It lacks common sense in so much it professes, and then demands that they be seen as being the reasonable one. And, if you do not? I am the one who has no sense.

 

[Ohioprof]

You believe in reincarnation?

Not really. I honestly do not know what happens after we die. My beliefs on this are speculation only, and I am content to wait and see. I believe that we are all of one spirit, all of God. Therefore, when I say that there is life, then death, then life again, I do not mean that any particular individual has life again, but that God is reborn in different forms. I as an individual will disappear and return to the universal self, which is God. New people, who are of God, will be born.I do not worry about this. I have faith that God has created death, and death is part of having lived, and I have no fear of death. I accept it. I try to live a good life, not because I fear death or worry about salvation, but because I believe in living a good life.

 

[Ohioprof]

Anddddd.... you know?

Sniff!? Sniff!?

Do I smell wishful thinking?


Yes, it was the darkest of times.

Homosexuality was still rampant in the world.

Many hand carefully guarded written copies of the Torah were distributed around the known world. It was not as if they could email each other and tell everyone what to edit out. And, think of all the commentary that would also have to be edited. And, not to mention, to have historians agree to be hush on the matter.


Not very likely... A king or two tried to have the Word of God altered in sections. And, that was well known historically. And, this is my one complaint about apologists approach for the gay movement. It lacks common sense in so much it professes, and then demands that they be seen as being the reasonable one. And, if you do not? I am the one who has no sense.

"Homosexuality" will always be "rampant in the world." That's because God continues to create gay people; we are part of his glorious creation. To attack gay people is to attack part of God's creation.

 

[Ohioprof]

Of course that is why you pick and choose what you will believe.

But sadly, you are wrong. We speak for God as we are called to do.

You also pick and choose what you believe. You may believe that you speak for God, but obviously you don't. You speak for you.

 

[Ohioprof]

Who is this God you speak of? Does He have a name? Tell us about Him.

God is God, the same God you love and worship. My describing my oersonal understanding of God would take me away from the topic of these threads, which are supposed to focus on debates about "homosexuality." So I won't go into my personal beliefs about God.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why not? Even Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David feared God, yet also loved Him.

God is to be feared.

Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."


Acts 9:31
Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

Those are your beliefs, not mine. Let's get back on the topic of "debates about homosexuality," okay.

 

[Ohioprof]

You think "love your neighbor as you love yourself," was only for Christians?

It is a universal truth about living in harmony with your fellow man. Its not about Christian spirituality. Its good manners.

Jesus taught principles that even Muslims appreciate. And, they do not worship the same God.


In Christ, GeneZ



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I think Muslims and Christians worship the same God. They call God by different names, and they view God in different ways. You are right that Jesus spoke of universal values, of living in harmony with other people. That is why I follow the teachings of Jesus, or try to.

 

[Ohioprof]

It's way beyond opinion. It's scriptural.

Interpretation of scripture is opinion.

 

[Ohioprof]

Scripture is the only source for truth. There doesn't exist any evidence that would refute Scripture.
There is where Christians disagree with each other in a fundamental way. Many Christians do not believe that scripture is the only source for truth, nor that scripture is infallible. And there is plenty of scientific evidence that refutes stories in the Bible. My own view is that scripture is not a source for truth at all, that the Bible is a historical source, but not a source for any higher truth.

 

[Ohioprof]

The news today from the outside world is that the House has passed ENDA, the employment non-discrimination act that would bar employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Unfortunately, Congress stripped the bill of protections against discrimination on the basis of gender identity. I therefore do not want to see this bill pass, and President Bush will probably veto it once it passes the Senate. I would rather see us elect a Democratic President along with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. Then we can get passed a bill that protects people from discrimination on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity. Despite the problems with this bill, this is a step forward for equality and justice. This subject probably belongs in its own thread, but I need to be off to bed now, leaving folks with my testimony on ENDA.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's easy to give an opinion that conforms with the majority. It's brave to give an opinion to the contrary. I suspect more studies will be coming out soon and I suspect it won't be in the favour of the homophobic Christians.

The Bible we hold in our hand is so riddled with errors http://foru.ms/t6387648-some-basic-errors-in-the-inerrant-bible.html that as Christians we need to prayerfully and studiously read our Bible. A Christian should question any motive to hate a group coming from Scripture as God is love not hate.

"Homophobe"---another made-up word by the homosexual agenda. I suppose God is a homophobe according to you, because we Chrisians live to please Him and bother to take note of what it is that does.

There are no message-altering errors in the Bible whatsoever. If you want to negate all God has done for you by a measly link composed by doubters and malingerers, trying to vaunt themselves (this guy is dead), be my guest, but to post crap like that on a Christian website is ridiculous.

There are far better Christian forums than this one where there are standards aboiut what people post as far as links.

 

[davedjy]

How interesting that you said my 18 Bible Scholars were just giving religious opinions and whatever else you said, but here you are saying the Bible Scholars have spoken.

Remember this post?

The Bible Scholars are not in unison on their agreement...but the word definition is unknown, so what is your point with that?

You denied saying all the stuff you just used in this post, and so again I ask why your 5-6 Bible Scholars hold more weight then the 18 I gave? If I listed the other Bible Scholars that also see things different than your 5-6 would those it just be religious opinion also?

What does that have to do with the discussion?
Where have your 18 Bible Scholars proven that 1 Cor. 6:9 is "homosexual"? I may have only posted 5-6 scholars, but there are more, and numbers don't mean anything.

 

[davedjy]

"Homophobe"---another made-up word by the homosexual agenda. I suppose God is a homophobe according to you, because we Chrisians live to please Him and bother to take note of what it is that does.

Fear and discrimination against homosexuals...it has nothing to do with a "homosexual agenda". There are people out there that kill or display prejudice against gay people, which is why the term exists. It has nothing to do with an agenda. God is certainly not a homophobe, however, there are plenty of Christians who misinterpret the Bible that certainly are fully of bigotry against gays.

Talk about an agenda, see the Westboro Baptist Church for details on a homophobic agenda.