One Jesus, two testimonies?

[davedjy]

Seems to me, homosexuals who claim Christ have missed Him too.

...yet that is your opinion

 

[GenemZ]

I follow the teachings of Jesus. I have a different view than you do about what his teachings were.

I love God, and I try to love my neighbor as myself. That's the essence of what Jesus taught, as I understand him.

You think "love your neighbor as you love yourself," was only for Christians?

It is a universal truth about living in harmony with your fellow man. Its not about Christian spirituality. Its good manners.

Jesus taught principles that even Muslims appreciate. And, they do not worship the same God.


In Christ, GeneZ



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[Floatingaxe]

...yet that is your opinion

It's way beyond opinion. It's scriptural.

 

[davedjy]

It's way beyond opinion. It's scriptural.

You don't have any Scriptural basis without relying on a false translation! You can say that God translated it all you want, but it doesn't change the confusion among the translators.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

It doesnt matter wether you believe with my belief or not.It is wether you believe in the Word of God and the ressurection of Jesus Christ.
It is God that is going to judge us all and I fear God,I fear him with all my heart.
Do you fear Him?

Define fear

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Why not? Even Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David feared God, yet also loved Him.

God is to be feared.

Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."


Acts 9:31
Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

I think the English word fear, in this case, means reverential awe.

Not :

a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.

 

[GenemZ]

Gay people have had committed relationships for as long as people have existed. You only noticed them recently.

Then? If God approved? We would see many passages in the Bible on how one is to maintain and enhance such a relationship.

We do not find a single one.

If it were acceptable to God? We would find even MORE passages for their help and guidance. Because as a rule, they face pressures that others do not. God was silent in a time of great need? I do not think so.

Ephesians 5:25-29 (New International Version)
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church."
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1 Corinthians 7:4-6 (New International Version)
"The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command."
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Only husband and wife are mentioned. In the Greek its only shown in the masculine and feminine genders. Gender specific words.


And? ..... What do you do with this one?

1 Peter 3:7 (New American Standard Bible)
"You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."
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If God approved of committed homosexual relationships? We would be reading many passages for their insight and understanding in how to live before God.

We do not find one passage.


Now...


Being committed in a wrong type of relationship does not make it right.


A father may be in a very committed relationship with his daughter.

Would that make it alright if this took place only after the death of the mother?

I am sure somewhere in the world this has happened.

God approved?

After all, it was a committed relationship!



In Christ, GeneZ

 

[Zaac]

I do not lie. I speak the truth as I understand it. Please stop accusing me of lying.

Stop telling lies and I will.

If you want to disagree with me, that's fine. But accusing me of lying is simply personal slander, and that's not particularly helpful to to the discussion, nor is it convincing to people who don't already agree with you.

If you're telling lies and I call you a liar, how is it slander? If you out of stubborn ignorance tell a lie, it's still a lie.

 

[GenemZ]

I think the English word fear, in this case, means reverential awe.

One does not begin with awe. That only comes as we mature. Yet?


The fear of the Lord is only the beginning of wisdom. [Proverbs 9:10]


It (deciding to follow the Lord) begins with fear!

Philippians 2:12 (New International Version)
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."


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After you have worked it out?

Then awe finally enters into one's life in Christ!


But, a fear of the Lord will always be with us. Its manifests itself when we are tempted to go outside of God's will for our lives.


Fear of the Lord.. and awe .. are not the same things when pertaining to God.

Psalm 119:120 (New International Version)
"My flesh trembles in fear of you;
I stand in awe of your laws. "
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There you have it. Distinctions are drawn.



Grace and peace! GeneZ

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[davedjy]

If God approved of committed homosexual relationships? We would be reading many passages for their insight and understanding in how to live before God.

We do not find one passage.

Arguments by silence are not really good ones on either side of the fence.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You don't have any Scriptural basis without relying on a false translation! You can say that God translated it all you want, but it doesn't change the confusion among the translators.

You have NO scriptural backing whatsoever!

 

[davedjy]

You have NO scriptural backing whatsoever!

I have translation backings (which is basically the same thing), and have shown the inconsistencies translation to translation...flaws and inconsistencies. You cling to a false translation, since it is convenient for you, and justifies your anti-gay position. The Bible Scholars have spoken and have shown how the word is unknown. It appears in a list of economic sins from Paul, to make your position even less credible.


Go fish.

 

[LunarPlexus]

You have NO scriptural backing whatsoever!

That's because some people are able to provide evidence OTHER than scipture.

Hello, FA!

My friend had her baby! He's beautiful! It was the scariest thing I ever saw, but so touching that I actually said a prayer. His name is James and I'm godmother!

I want to share the news with everyone!

 

[Floatingaxe]

That's because some people are able to provide evidence OTHER than scipture.

Scripture is the only source for truth. There doesn't exist any evidence that would refute Scripture.

Hello, FA!

My friend had her baby! He's beautiful! It was the scariest thing I ever saw, but so touching that I actually said a prayer. His name is James and I'm godmother!

I want to share the news with everyone!

Hi, LP!

Wow! Isn't it a fantastic experience? It's a miracle! It will be something you will never forget, and it will bond you to that child all his life!

Love the name! It's my grandson's name also!

 

[LunarPlexus]

Scripture is the only source for truth. There doesn't exist any evidence that would refute Scripture.

Well, this is an argument we've had many times before. It's a bit old now, so we won't get into that.

You know my opinion and I know yours, so we'll leave that alone.

Hi, LP!

Wow! Isn't it a fantastic experience? It's a miracle! It will be something you will never forget, and it will bond you to that child all his life!

Love the name! It's my grandson's name also!

I know!! I was so shocked and so touched. It was a very difficult delivery, but when they pulled him out I started crying. He didn't cry and he was smiling and grabbing at things straight away. Isn't it the nicest name? It's so dignified.

Funnily enough, when I said I wanted to go down to the chapel and pray to whoever was out there, the doctor asked if I was christian. When I said no he tried to get into an argument with me about evolution while he stitched the new mum up.

Very unnerving, but I was too happy to argue.

Sorry to rant, I'm just so excited!

 

[savedandhappy1]

I have translation backings (which is basically the same thing), and have shown the inconsistencies translation to translation...flaws and inconsistencies. You cling to a false translation, since it is convenient for you, and justifies your anti-gay position. The Bible Scholars have spoken and have shown how the word is unknown. It appears in a list of economic sins from Paul, to make your position even less credible.


Go fish.

How interesting that you said my 18 Bible Scholars were just giving religious opinions and whatever else you said, but here you are saying the Bible Scholars have spoken.

Remember this post?

17-18 Biblical Scholars "religious opinions" or commentary do not equate Biblical or Scriptural fact. I stand by my original statement.

You denied saying all the stuff you just used in this post, and so again I ask why your 5-6 Bible Scholars hold more weight then the 18 I gave? If I listed the other Bible Scholars that also see things different than your 5-6 would those it just be religious opinion also?

 

[GenemZ]

Arguments by silence are not really good ones on either side of the fence.

But?

Why isn't God silent about man and wife?
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If that were the case? If, God were silent about man and wife?

Then I could see you saying what you did, and being justified. God is not silent about what he does approve of.

As it stands right now? You are just trying to use some debater's technique which is not applicable in this case.

God was not silent. He had something to talk about.


Here's an example.


The Lord was speaking..

"The Father loves all who put their trust in me!"

(hand goes up) "Lord? And, what about the Muslims?"

................(silence)
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Silence sometimes speaks louder than words.





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[Brieuse]

How interesting that you said my 18 Bible Scholars were just giving religious opinions and whatever else you said, but here you are saying the Bible Scholars have spoken.

Remember this post?




You denied saying all the stuff you just used in this post, and so again I ask why your 5-6 Bible Scholars hold more weight then the 18 I gave? If I listed the other Bible Scholars that also see things different than your 5-6 would those it just be religious opinion also?

It's easy to give an opinion that conforms with the majority. It's brave to give an opinion to the contrary. I suspect more studies will be coming out soon and I suspect it won't be in the favour of the homophobic Christians.

The Bible we hold in our hand is so riddled with errors http://foru.ms/t6387648-some-basic-errors-in-the-inerrant-bible.html that as Christians we need to prayerfully and studiously read our Bible. A Christian should question any motive to hate a group coming from Scripture as God is love not hate.

 

[united4Peace]

But I don't regard it as slander. I don't believe the Bible is God's word. You are free to believe otherwise.

agreed...