Once saved, always saved?

[Blind As A Bat]

This is a question that has been doing some rounds. Once a person is saved, is that for an eternity? Or can a person loose their salvation, if so, how?

 

[Tangible]

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[Blind As A Bat]

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Yeah see, I'm looking for something a little bit better. I want quotations thrown in from ancient times.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is a question that has been doing some rounds. Once a person is saved, is that for an eternity? Or can a person loose their salvation, if so, how?

According to my bro Paul, the person is saved, but he shall suffer loss.
What is meant by that

Young) 1 Corinthians 3:15 if of any the work is burned, he shall suffer loss;
and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire.

2 Peter 3:10 Shall be arriving yet day of Lord as thief in night, in which the Heavens boomingly shall be passing-away, elements yet burning shall be being dissloved, and land and the in her works shall be being burned
[Reve 16:15]

 

[Blind As A Bat]

According to my bro Paul, the person is saved, but he shall suffer loss.
What is meant by that

Young) 1 Corinthians 3:15 if of any the work is burned, he shall suffer loss;
and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire.

2 Peter 3:10 Shall be arriving yet day of Lord as thief in night, in which the Heavens boomingly shall be passing-away, elements yet burning shall be being dissloved, and land and the in her works shall be being burned
[Reve 16:15]

The latter part of 1Corinth scares me...

but so as through fire.

 

[BondiHarry]

Some people might say you can't lose what you never had. Matthew 7 makes clear there are many people who profess they know and love Jesus, who consider Him to be their Lord and Savior but who will be turned away from heaven because Jesus never knew them (as Paul Washer likes to explain this, it's like trying to get into the White House saying you know the President ... this won't get you in; but if the President comes out and says he knows Paul Washer doors will open wide).

There are those who will cite that God 'predestines' some men to salvation and that Jesus will not lose a single one that the Father gives to Him. Others will cite there is the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit and one is only saved if their name is in the book of life and that names can be blotted out of that book.

I have yet to see an explanation that adequately ties in everything the Bible has to say about salvation but I am certain of this, the saved will have their lives turned around by God and will leave the practice of sin the carnal world loves and embrace the holiness of God. As one pastor for whom I have the greatest respect put it, no one can 'lose' their salvation, they can however throw it away.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

You must be born again.

 

[Rhamiel]

Adam was created in a pure state, he was alive spiritualy but he lost his salvation through sin
same with us, once we are saved we can reject Jesus who is Life itself through sin

 

[singpeace]

First, let me say that a True Christian will not continue to live in sin even if he believes he can never lose his Salvation. Because our conversion resulted in a completely new nature, and our desire is to no longer live in sin. Yes, we still sin, but instead of wallowing in it as we once did, we now hate it and wish to be delivered from it. The idea of “taking advantage” of Christ’s sufferings and sacrifice by continuing to live sinful lives is unthinkable. If a person believes himself to be a Christian, yet still desires and practices a lifestyle of sin, he has reason to doubt his salvation.

(2 Corinthians 13:5)
“Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?”



Eternal Security means that once a Christian has become a Christian, there is absolutely nothing they can do to lose their salvation. Scripture would indicate that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation.

2 Corinthians 1:22
“He has also sealed us and given us the Spirit as a down payment in our hearts.”

Ephesians 4:30
“And don’t grieve God’s Holy Spirit, who sealed you for the day of redemption.”


Romans 8:38–39 (ESV)
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jude 24–25 (ESV)
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, 25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now ...

Romans 8:38
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10:28–29 (ESV)
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Ephesians 1:13–14 (ESV)
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

First, let me say that a True Christian will not continue to live in sin even if he believes he can never lose his Salvation. Because our conversion resulted in a completely new nature, and our desire is to no longer live in sin. Yes, we still sin, but instead of wallowing in it as we once did, we now hate it and wish to be delivered from it. The idea of “taking advantage” of Christ’s sufferings and sacrifice by continuing to live sinful lives is unthinkable. If a person believes himself to be a Christian, yet still desires and practices a lifestyle of sin, he has reason to doubt his salvation.

Eternal Security means that once a Christian has become a Christian, there is absolutely nothing they can do to lose their salvation. Scripture would indicate that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation.

Ephesians 4:30
“And don’t grieve God’s Holy Spirit, who sealed you for the day of redemption.”

Excellent verse! That always comforts me

Ephes 4:30 and no be ye sorrowing the spirit, the holy of the God in which ye were sealed into a day of redemption/apo-lutrwsewV <629>.
[Luke 21:28]

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet these-things to be becoming, up-bend! and lift-up! the heads of ye,
thru-that is nearing the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G629 matches the Greek &#7936;&#960;&#959;&#955;&#8059;&#964;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; (apolytr&#333;sis), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

 

[Elder 111]

This is a question that has been doing some rounds. Once a person is saved, is that for an eternity? Or can a person loose their salvation, if so, how?

There is no suck thing as once saved always saved. If there were all do evil once coming to God and be saved. That does sound unholy.
Eze 18:
20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

 

[Cuddles333]

Maybe a good way to tell which doctrine is right might be if a person has changed after the moment they came to Christ. The people that they used to hang with would be the litmus test. They can tell us and show us that their running buddy is no more their running buddy becuse they have changed on them. They are not like they used to be and no matter how hard they tried to change their friend back, nothing worked. So everyone has backed off of them until they return to normalcy. However long that may take. They will say that their friend tried to participate in the things that they used to enjoy, but it just wasn't the same.

So maybe the person who is not the same as they used to be could be considered saved, and, the person who is clinging for life to every outward commandment in the New Testament for proof of their trying to be saved, could be considered questionable.

 

[Rick Otto]

"Fear not."

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Cuddles222;Maybe a good way to tell which doctrine is right might be if a person has changed after the moment they came to Christ.

No. you don't judge a octrine's correctness by how well people do or don't abide by it.

So maybe the person who is not the same as they used to be could be considered saved, and, the person who is clinging for life to every outward commandment in the New Testament for proof of their trying to be saved, could be considered questionable.

Well, you''re right we are saved by grace, not how well we co-operate with it or not. It is by his mercy, not by our worthy performance.
Rewards for performance come, but they are rewards in heaven, not heaven as a reward.

 

[Hentenza]

Adam was created in a pure state, he was alive spiritualy but he lost his salvation through sin

Is Adam in hell?

same with us, once we are saved we can reject Jesus who is Life itself through sin

Nah, everyone sins. It's our present nature.

 

[MrPolo]

This is a question that has been doing some rounds. Once a person is saved, is that for an eternity? Or can a person loose their salvation, if so, how?

If by "once a person is saved" you mean that person entered into a state of justification, then yes, one can fall away from that state. Scripture is fraught with examples of this:

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins...

2 Peter 2:15-22 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

2 Corinthians 6:1 And we helping do exhort you, that you receive not the grace of God in vain.

2 Peter 3:17-18 You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:27 Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

2 Corinthians 10:6, 11:3 ...[we are] ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete...But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Galatians 4:9 Galatians 4:9,11 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again how can you turn your back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slaves you want to be once more?

Galatians 5:1,4,7 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery...You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace....You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Ezekiel 18:21-24 But if the wicked do penance for all his sins which he hath committed, and keep all my commandments, and do judgment, and justice, living he shall live, and shall not die. I will not remember all his iniquities that he hath done: in his justice which he hath wrought, he shall live. Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live? But if the just man turn himself away from his justice, and do iniquity according to all the abominations which the wicked man useth to work, shall he live? all his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: in the prevarication, by which he hath prevaricated, and in his sin, which he hath committed, in them he shall die. And you have said: The way of the Lord is not right. Hear ye, therefore, O house of Israel: Is it my way that is not right, and are not rather your ways perverse?

Psalms 2:12 Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way.​

I could go on.....

 

[Tangible]

I could go on.....

Oh, do go on. You might even throw in a few like "but the one who endures to the end will be saved."

 

[Isolation]

Constructive post incoming...


Meow!



Take that! I bet that cut you deep in the heart

 

[mark46]

My pastors have taught me the same. We absolutely cannot "lose" our salvation as if salvation were some common object like car keys. However, we can throw away our salvation. And this is not an easy thing to do.

Much more common is the situation that you have stated, that many who say they know Jesus do not know him.

Some people might say you can't lose what you never had. Matthew 7 makes clear there are many people who profess they know and love Jesus, who consider Him to be their Lord and Savior but who will be turned away from heaven because Jesus never knew them (as Paul Washer likes to explain this, it's like trying to get into the White House saying you know the President ... this won't get you in; but if the President comes out and says he knows Paul Washer doors will open wide).

There are those who will cite that God 'predestines' some men to salvation and that Jesus will not lose a single one that the Father gives to Him. Others will cite there is the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit and one is only saved if their name is in the book of life and that names can be blotted out of that book.

I have yet to see an explanation that adequately ties in everything the Bible has to say about salvation but I am certain of this, the saved will have their lives turned around by God and will leave the practice of sin the carnal world loves and embrace the holiness of God. As one pastor for whom I have the greatest respect put it, no one can 'lose' their salvation, they can however throw it away.

 

[Rick Otto]

Constructive post incoming...


Meow!



Take that! I bet that cut you deep in the heart

Please reassure me that no animals were harmed in the composing of that post!
You can't unpay for sins, & they don't get paid for twice.
Salvation is not manufactured in Detroit.