Once Saved Always Saved - Why is it so hard?

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Jason,

Please stop taking my questions so flippantly. I am asking you earnestly, and you have not addressed them. I asked about 6 specific sin, and you haven't addressed those 6 specifically:

Revelation 21:8 (murder (anger), corrupt, idolators (see Col 3:5 for definition of idolatry), cowards, liars go to hell)
1 Cor 6:9-10 (thieves (covetousness), greedy, sexually immoral, slanderers (gossipers) go to hell)
Col 3:5 (gives the definition of "idolatry"; "idolatry" is in all lists that non-OSAS believers use to argue you can lose salvation: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness)
1 John 2: 16: (pride sends you to hell)

.. indicate that the following sins send you to hell: "greed", "covetousness", "lust", "anger", "pride" and "lying"

- Now you did mention that all liars go to hell, and you also mentioned that people who get angry commit murder and therefore go to hell - so why don't we start there. Everyone of us commit those sins regularly frequently - even without us knowing. How do you know that little tinge of annoyance because someone cut you off is not "anger"? You don't, so you'll need to repent and remember every little thing you do wrong every day.

So my questions to you are sincere:
1. Do you agree that the above sins will send you to hell (you agree that at least 2 of them send you to hell)
2. How does one live practically knowing that these 6 sins are committed frequently in a normal day? You say we must repent of our sins, so does that mean we have to keep praying for repentance throughout the day in case we die before we repent of a sin we don't know about?

That's all. I don't recall you answering either of those specific questions (you gave some verses, but it's not clear how they apply to those specific questions). I'm not trying to be argumentative - I honestly want to know the answer, because if OSAS is false then I need to know how to live. Thanks.

If you were not trying to mess with me by leading me to believe you were Catholic at first when you are not, then I will give one last chance to continue this conversation by private chat. But I am going to busy for a while, so I will try to answer with Scripture the question you desire. Please resend just the question in bold type to my PM.


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So once again you condemn your self dont you, for you do not even try to obey all of Christs literal commands.
Paul tells us ALL commandments are fulfilled by loving your neighbour as yourself

He is of course not negating the most important which us to love God.
But once you are a christian, love fulfills ALL( ALL) the law

Jesus and Paul were both talking about the New Law (of which they both were helping to create) in how it fulfills the moral part of the Old Law (Love).

For why would God put all those extra other Commands in our New Testament Bibles then? Just so that we can ignore them?

Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.


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[stuart lawrence]

Jesus and Paul were both talking about the New Law (of which they both were helping to create) in how it fulfills the moral part of the Old Law (Love).

For why would God put all those extra other Commands in our New Testament Bibles then? Just so that we can ignore them?

Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.


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There is no way you try and follow 1050 commands.

How many sermons you listened to? Do you have the capacity to try and put each and every single point into practice?

The law on stone got transferred onto tablets of human hearts( 2cor 3:3)

Christs teachings can be summed up as examples of love God and love your neighbour. Paul obviously believed that. Hence gal6:2
The law hung on love God and love your neighbour under the OC as well as the new one.
You are fixated with the letter of commandments.

If you love as you should love, That would be needless. If you don't love as you should love, looking to literal commands us pointless

 

[supescritter]

If you were not trying to mess with me by leading me to believe you were Catholic at first when you are not, then I will give one last chance to continue this conversation by private chat. But I am going to busy for a while, so I will try to answer with Scripture the question you desire. Please resend just the question in bold type to my PM. I will also ask you a question in return by PM. If I am not satisfied then by the answer to prove you are being honest with me, then we can go from there.


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I don't know where you got that I was trying to mess with you. If you've read that Catholic link, it's just a list of COMMON things that people do that cause you to break one of those 6 sins: "greed", "covetousness", "lust", "anger", "pride" and "lying". The reason why I am quoting that list, is because if you read it you'll realize that everyone of us pretty much sins constantly throughout the day. THEREFORE if "greed", "covetousness", "lust", "anger", "pride" and "lying" are sins that send you to hell (and you agree that at least 2 of them do), then that Catholic list is a good place to start from a PRACTICAL standpoint (because I don't know of any similar list to use as an illustration). Feel free to create your own list. I am ignoring the Catholic specific "sins" like rosary beads. I am just talking about the stuff that cause you to commit "greed", "covetousness", "lust", "anger", "pride" and "lying" sins.

I will do as you ask and liaise with you via PM. Thanks for your patience.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jesus and Paul were both talking about the New Law (of which they both were helping to create) in how it fulfills the moral part of the Old Law (Love).

For why would God put all those extra other Commands in our New Testament Bibles then? Just so that we can ignore them?

Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.


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One person does not need to fixate on 1050 commands. However, if you take everyone who reads the bible, individual commands will be helpful to different individuals.

IE
If you don't drink alcohol you don't need to think of verses that say you shouldn't get drunk
On the other hand, someone might be having a hard Time forgiving someone who has wronged them. The holy spirit may well convict them through a verse of scripture they must forgive the person.

 

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One person does not need to fixate on 1050 commands. However, if you take everyone who reads the bible, individual commands will be helpful to different individuals.

IE
If you don't drink alcohol you don't need to think of verses that say you shouldn't get drunk
On the other hand, someone might be having a hard Time forgiving someone who has wronged them. The holy spirit may well convict them through a verse of scripture they must forgive the person.

Those individuals should have known better according to your belief. Love should just tell them everything they need to do in every given situation. But that is not the reality. These individual laws are not just for some believers. They are for ALL believers.

There are people who rationalize sin despite what they see in God's Word. People define their own love and they can rationalize their own sin like say getting drunk. But God's Word will tell them otherwise. For example: You believe the Word does not teach that a person can be cast into hellfire for lusting after a woman with one eyes. Yet, the Scriptures clearly say otherwise (Matthew 5:28-30). Imagine a person thinks it is okay to look at women in lust because they believe you that Matthew 5:28-30 is not talking about a literal hell will punish them by their indulgence in this sin. What would happen if you were wrong? Would not God quote this verse to you? See John 12:48.




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[stuart lawrence]

Those individuals should have known better according to your belief. Love should just tell them everything they need to do in every given situation. But that is not the reality. These individual laws are not just for some believers. They are for ALL believers.

There are people who rationalize sin despite what they see in God's Word. People define their own love and they can rationalize their own sin like say getting drunk. But God's Word will tell them otherwise. For example: You believe the Word does not teach that a person can be cast into hellfire for lusting after a woman with one eyes. Yet, the Scriptures clearly say this (Matthew 5:28-30). Imagine a person thinks it is okay to look at women in lust because they believe you that Matthew 5:28-30 is not talking about a literal hell will punish them by their indulgence in this sin. What would happen if you were wrong? Would not God quote this verse to you? See John 12:48.




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NO born again christian can believe it is OK to lust/ have impure thoughts/ look at a woman with lust in their eye.
A born again Christian cannot sin without conscience for the law has been placed on their heart. Does that mean a christian never sins?
Do you sin Jason?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Those individuals should have known better according to your belief. Love should just tell them everything they need to do in every given situation. But that is not the reality. These individual laws are not just for some believers. They are for ALL believers.

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If we kept Jesus' commandments to love we would need all the things telling us not what to do.

Those other one's are because we do not keep the Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[stuart lawrence]

So many go to church believing in effect their is a pass mark of obedience to the law to attain heaven under it.
However, none of them know what that pass mark is.
They would be in for a shock if they did know!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Those individuals should have known better according to your belief. Love should just tell them everything they need to do in every given situation. But that is not the reality. These individual laws are not just for some believers. They are for ALL believers.

There are people who rationalize sin despite what they see in God's Word. People define their own love and they can rationalize their own sin like say getting drunk. But God's Word will tell them otherwise. For example: You believe the Word does not teach that a person can be cast into hellfire for lusting after a woman with one eyes. Yet, the Scriptures clearly say this (Matthew 5:28-30). Imagine a person thinks it is okay to look at women in lust because they believe you that Matthew 5:28-30 is not talking about a literal hell will punish them by their indulgence in this sin. What would happen if you were wrong? Would not God quote this verse to you? See John 12:48.




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You say God's word/ the written law will tell a person what is sin/ unacceptable behaviour. There Is a surer way to know. The law written on your mind and placed on your heart.

When I was young I sat in church reading my bible during sermons( I was young) and I used to wonder why Thou shalt not covet was one of the TC. I could understand why the other nine were there. The importance of them was obvious, but not the tenth.
But in those days I didn't understand by reading the letter of the commandment what it entailed. I thought thou shalt not covet only referred to coveting material possessions like someone's house or car.
But in my mind I knew fully what That commandment entailed, and every Time i broke it I had a conscience at doing so.

So why do you have to read the letter to know what sin is Jason?
You have been born again haven't you?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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NO born again christian can believe it is OK to lust/ have impure thoughts/ look at a woman with lust in their eye.
A born again Christian cannot sin without conscience for the law has been placed on their heart. Does that mean a christian never sins?
Do you sin Jason?

Look. God put those other detailed Commands in His Word so that you would not ignore them.

Jesus says,
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19).

Do you think Jesus was referring to the Old Law or the New Laws he was talking about at the sermon on the mount?

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. That is what He was doing. Jesus would not only fulfill the Law bodily by His faithfulness to the Father all the way up to His death upon the cross, but He was also fulfilling the Law by bringing it to completion or it's ultimate end goal with it being changed into the New Law (which would be based on love and faith even more so). Like a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly. Like an apple seed being planted to become an apple tree. The Law had changed (Hebrews 7:12).

Close your eyes and imagine yourself being among the crowd as you were listening to Jesus on the sermon on the mount. You just heard Jesus tell you about the Beatitudes and he will fulfill the Law. Now you hear Jesus say,

"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Then you hear Jesus continue to give us more commands. Better commands.

A bible commentator once said,

"...God does not allow us the right to say, "I will obey his teaching about murder but not his teaching about adultery or fornication"; or, "I will obey his teaching about theft but not about divorce." To refuse his right to rule any of our ethics or behavior is to deny his lordship."

Source:
Matthew 5 Commentary - Christians Must Obey God's Law - BibleGateway.com
(Note: I merely agree with what this commentator said in this paragraph; That does not mean I agree with all of his beliefs or even the entirety of his commentary that I quoted from).


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[Bible Highlighter]

You say God's word/ the written law will tell a person what is sin/ unacceptable behaviour. There Is a surer way to know. The law written on your mind and placed on your heart.

When I was young I sat in church reading my bible during sermons( I was young) and I used to wonder why Thou shalt not covet was one of the TC. I could understand why the other nine were there. The importance of them was obvious, but not the tenth.
But in those days I didn't understand by reading the letter of the commandment what it entailed. I thought thou shalt not covet only referred to coveting material possessions like someone's house or car.
But in my mind I knew fully what That commandment entailed, and every Time i broke it I had a conscience at doing so.

So why do you have to read the letter to know what sin is Jason?
You have been born again haven't you?

Please read Matthew 5:19 in deep prayer today. I hope it helps you to see where I am coming from.

May God bless you.

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[stuart lawrence]

Look. God put those other detailed Commands in His Word so that you would not ignore them.

Jesus says,
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19).

Do you think Jesus was referring to the Old Law or the New Laws he was talking about at the sermon on the mount?

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. That is what He was doing. Jesus would not only fulfill the Law bodily by His faithfulness to the Father all the way up to His death upon the cross, but He was also fulfilling the Law by bringing it to completion or it's ultimate end goal with it being changed into the New Law (which would be based on love and faith even more so). Like a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly. Like an apple seed being planted to become an apple tree. The Law had changed (Hebrews 7:12).

Close your eyes and imagine yourself being among the crowd as you were listening to Jesus on the sermon on the mount. You just heard Jesus tell you about the Beatitudes and he will fulfill the Law. Now you hear Jesus say,

"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Then you hear Jesus continue to give us more commands. Better commands.

A bible commentator once said,

"...God does not allow us the right to say, "I will obey his teaching about murder but not his teaching about adultery or fornication"; or, "I will obey his teaching about theft but not about divorce." To refuse his right to rule any of our ethics or behavior is to deny his lordship."

Source:
Matthew 5 Commentary - Christians Must Obey God's Law - BibleGateway.com
(Note: I merely agree with what this commentator said in this paragraph; That does not mean I agree with all of his beliefs or even the entirety of his commentary that I quoted from).


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No born again christian can say I will obey Gods law about not committing murder but I choose not to obey his laws concerning adultery and fornication.
The TC remain, they have been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts.
Christs law is fulfilled by loving others, as Paul tells us.
But as you oppose Paul's core message it is unsurprising you oppose much else of what he wrote too

 

[stuart lawrence]

Please read Matthew 5:19 in deep prayer today. I hope it helps you to see where I am coming from.

May God bless you.

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Why dont you answer my question?
You complain I dont address your questions after all. Maybe you forgot.

Why do you say we know what sin/ wrong behaviour is by reading the letter
Have you been born again?
The law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of born again christians

BTW

I know where you are coming from! I knew all about your form of religion before you were born

 

[HatGuy]

Please read Matthew 5:19 in deep prayer today. I hope it helps you to see where I am coming from.

May God bless you.

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Interestingly, Matt 5:19 says those who break the commands etc. Will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven. It does not say they will go to hell. It says they will still be in the Kingdom, but will be called least.

I find that interesting [emoji2]

 

[stuart lawrence]

Please read Matthew 5:19 in deep prayer today. I hope it helps you to see where I am coming from.

May God bless you.

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Yes I do see where you are coming from in regard to matt5:19, you oppose the stated words of Christ alongside the core message of Paul.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Please read Matthew 5:19 in deep prayer today. I hope it helps you to see where I am coming from.

May God bless you.

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Lets take one of Christs commands
When you fast dont let anyone know you are fasting.
So if I fast one day and tell people i am fasting I am seeking the praise of men, my motive for fasting is wrong. But if i love God I wont let anyone know I am fasting, for I am not fasting to seek the praise of men.

Hence love fulfills the law of Christ. Love God and love your neighbour

 

[supescritter]

And I have given you plenty of verses showing you Christians are under righteous laws before. My repeating them again for you within this thread is not going to help you. Christians are not their own masters. Christians are not lawless individuals. Jesus says to certain believers to depart from Him because they worked lawlessness in Matthew 7.


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I think you're mistaking your interpretation of verses to be fact. They are merely interpretations. The problem is that OSAS believers see the same verses you quote and interpret it a different way, so merely quoting verses will not advance your argument.

The only way for this discussion to come to some conclusion is for each side to carefully evaluate the other person's perspective WITHOUT bias - WITHOUT considering one's own position. We need to carefully examine the merit of the other's position without confusing ourselves with our own world-view.

The summary of the OSAS interpretation of the NT is as follows:
1. Gospels: Jesus' words do not indicate the conditions of salvation for those who have faith in Christ, because he was talking to pre-crucifixion audiences. Jesus' words indicate that the standard of holiness is very very high, and therefore we are all condemned if we rely on our own righteousness. We are therefore to admit we can't save ourselves and depend on Jesus for salvation alone.
2. Epistles: The general gist indicates that Paul believes that we must rely on grace, and not our own righteousness. Certain verses like 1 Cor 6:9 are referring to other people, not saints (eg. that verse was telling Christians to not follow the heathen Romans and sue each other, because they have all sorts of sins that will throw them to hell)
3. Revelations: Indicates that sinners will be tossed into the pit of fire, but that saints are not included because those sins don't count against us.

Now - no-one is forcing anybody to accept the OSAS interpretations, but an OSAS believer can comfortably live with any verse in the NT and still believe in OSAS. Merely quoting some verse as if that is a gotcha argument has no effect. It is more effective to UNDERSTAND what the other side is saying and then indicate why the other side's entire perspective is incorrect INDEPENDENTLY of one's own beliefs.

 

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Interestingly, Matt 5:19 says those who break the commands etc. Will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven. It does not say they will go to hell. It says they will still be in the Kingdom, but will be called least.

I find that interesting [emoji2]

Is not God good?
Should not His people be good because He lives within them?

Why is everyone seeking justification in doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing with God? The right thing to do within that verse for God tells us that a person will be called the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven if they teach His Commands. Yet, everyone else is arguing against that idea here. Yes, we have to love Jesus. Yes, we have to have faith in Jesus and trust Him. We should focus on loving Jesus every day in worship and in talking to Him silently and with other believers. We have to say "I love you Jesus." as we would say to everyone else we love here on this Earth. We have to praise His name in adoration behind closed doors. We have to be thankful every moment to Jesus for His sacrifice. We have to love Jesus with every fiber of our being. For we obviously cannot lose our first love like the church of Ephesus did in Revelation 2 (Revelation 2:4). But I believe the other wrong is for people to not to love Jesus by obeying His commandments. Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments; And Jesus said to the church at Ephesus to repent and do the first works. The first works involving love.

Anyways, let’s read what Jesus actually says in Matthew 5:19. Jesus says,

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven…” (Matthew 5:19).

Notice here in this verse it does not actually say that this person who breaks the least of these commands (and teaches others to do so) is IN the kingdom of heaven. It merely says that they will be CALLED the least in the kingdom of heaven.

But what about Matthew 11:11?

“Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matthew 11:11).

Who is the least in Matthew 11:11?

The "Lesser" or the "Least" in Matthew 11:11 is talking about the "Greatest" in the Kingdom. How so?

Jesus says,
“And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.” (Luke 9:46).

Jesus says,
“But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.” (Matthew 23:11).

And it is written,
33 “And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?
34 But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.
35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.” (Mark 9:33-37).

Here we see in the Scripture verses above that the Least in the Kingdom of Heaven is the greatest within Matthew 11:11. For the Least in Matthew 11:11 is the one who accepts, loves, and ministers to all people including children and they are a servant (i.e. least) to all people in humbleness. Those who behave as though they are lesser or least in the Kingdom are ACTUALLY the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. For those who serve in God’s Kingdom in the New Covenant by loving others is better than the greatest of the prophets such as John the Baptist. For John followed the Old Covenant ways. For John was the last of the Old Testament prophets.

However, the "Least" in Matthew 5:19 are those who break God’s commands and teach others are Least in a bad way.

How so? The rest of Scripture gives us the testimony that breaking God’s Commandments is bad and not good.

John says,
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4)

John says,
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

Jesus says,
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

In fact, Christ says that He will send His angels and gather out of His Kingdom all who sin and practice lawlessness and cast them into the furnace of fire.

Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire." (Matthew 13:41-42)

Jesus tells us that by keeping His commands, it shows whether or not we truly love Him or not.

For Jesus says,
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." (John 14:21)

And Jesus says,
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words."(John 14:23-24).

Paul says,
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing.” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Paul says,
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

Conclusion: There are Two Leasts.

Matthew 5:19 and Matthew 11:11 are talking about the word “Least” from two different behavioral perspectives. One being bad because of bad behavior (Matthew 5:19) and the other being good because of good behavior (Matthew 11:11). This is not uncommon for the Word of God to speak of one thing as being mentioned as being both good and bad. There are two trees in the Garden. One good and one bad. There are two lions. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the roaring lion who seeks to devour you. There are two vines. The True Vine and the Vine of Sodom. There are also two “Leasts” in Scripture, as well. There are the “Least” who are the Greatest by Being the Least in Behavior and then there are the “Least” who break God’s Commands and teach others to do so.

I hope this helps.
May God bless you in all manner of His goodness.
And please be well.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I think you're mistaking your interpretation of verses to be fact. They are merely interpretations. The problem is that OSAS believers see the same verses you quote and interpret it a different way, so merely quoting verses will not advance your argument.

The only way for this discussion to come to some conclusion is for each side to carefully evaluate the other person's perspective WITHOUT bias - WITHOUT considering one's own position. We need to carefully examine the merit of the other's position without confusing ourselves with our own world-view.

The summary of the OSAS interpretation of the NT is as follows:
1. Gospels: Jesus' words do not indicate the conditions of salvation for those who have faith in Christ, because he was talking to pre-crucifixion audiences. Jesus' words indicate that the standard of holiness is very very high, and therefore we are all condemned if we rely on our own righteousness. We are therefore to admit we can't save ourselves and depend on Jesus for salvation alone.
2. Epistles: The general gist indicates that Paul believes that we must rely on grace, and not our own righteousness. Certain verses like 1 Cor 6:9 are referring to other people, not saints (eg. that verse was telling Christians to not follow the heathen Romans and sue each other, because they have all sorts of sins that will throw them to hell)
3. Revelations: Indicates that sinners will be tossed into the pit of fire, but that saints are not included because those sins don't count against us.

Now - no-one is forcing anybody to accept the OSAS interpretations, but an OSAS believer can comfortably live with any verse in the NT and still believe in OSAS. Merely quoting some verse as if that is a gotcha argument has no effect. It is more effective to UNDERSTAND what the other side is saying and then indicate why the other side's entire perspective is incorrect INDEPENDENTLY of one's own beliefs.

So you are standing by OSAS? Okay. So you really don't want me to answer your question from before in Private Chat then. Was this a recent development? Or were you misleading me whereby you never had any intention in overcoming sin to begin with? For there is no real point in overcoming sin if you believe in OSAS. You are Once Saved Always Saved and you got your golden ticket to Heaven. No need to worry about your behavior. Just go back to your old life. It doesn't matter how you live ultimately. You got your ticket. Sure, some may object to this line of thinking, and they will protest that no true born again believer will sin without breaking their conscience. But what is that even mean? Are they saying that they are just free to just sin just a little bit then?

Also, why did you bring up a list of commands from Catholicism when you are not a Catholic and I am not a Catholic? Was this an attempt to play some kind of game with me? It sure seems like it was. If I have missed your explanation on this before, I would appreciate it if you were to re-explain yourself on this point again or at least re-direct me to the Post # (where you explain this).


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