Once Saved Always Saved - Why is it so hard?

[Bible Highlighter]

The reason why I tend to side with OSAS is because every other religion is like the non-OSAS side in a practical sense. The muslims pray for forgiveness in the same way as what non-OSAS believers say we must do to keep our salvation (see: How to repent from sins and ask for Allah’s forgiveness ).

Well, the Trinity is taught in Scripture but that does not mean it is not true just because Catholicism teaches it. Something is true regardless if another religion copies that practice from the Bible or not.

1 John 1:9 says, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as he is in the light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.

Jesus defines repentance for us in Matthew 12:41. He said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter, 3 you would be able to read in Jonah 3:6-10 in how the King of the Ninevites told his people to:

(a) Cry ot to God (obviously for forgiveness)
(b) Forsake their evil ways.​

When God had seen that they turned from their sins, --- THEN ---- was the point when God decided to turn away from bringing Wrath or Judgment upon the Ninevites (and not before).

Peter told Simon,
"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts 8:22).

So we see here clearly that a new believer (i.e. Simon) was told to pray (repent of his wickedness) to God and hope that he might be forgiven.

What has made Christianity so special to me is that I believed my relationship with God does not depend on what I've done, but what Jesus has done for me, therefore I love God and I'm free to worship him through works - NOT for salvation - but out of love. If I am to pray for forgiveness for not doing the right works because if I don't I will go to hell, that robs me of the joy of my works - I want to do works because I love God, not because I will lose salvation if I don't. No longer am I obeying God because I love him alone, I am obeying God out of fear of losing salvation - precisely the motivation of the muslim and other religious people. Christianity would lose it's uniqueness.

First, Biblical Christianity (Involving the Correct Teaching on Conditional Salvation) has not lost it's uniqueness compared to other religions. The key difference here is that other religions do not stress how it is JESUS that does the good work in you (Who is God, i.e. second person of the Godhead). Jesus said there is none good but God. Paul says if any man think himself to be something when he is nothing deceives himself. So we are nothing and Christ is everything. Jesus says we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). The focus here is Jesus Christ and not self or the power in your own might alone. In fact, it is amazing. Whenever I tell people this, many times it goes in one ear and out other. It's like they are in a deep sleep and I am talking to them and they cannot hear the words coming out of my mouth. Well, I should say they are not hearing the Word of God that I am quoting to them. Then again, the seed of the Word of God has to take root within a person's heart that is a part of the faith, though.

Second, Scripture says, "perfect love casts out fear" (1 John 4:18). However, fear is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom (Proverbs 1:7) (Proverbs 9:10). Departing from evil is understanding (Job 28:28). Meaning, a believer's beginning walk with God may start out in being in fear of Him. But in time, when you seek by faith the Lord to work within you, the fear is something that will pass away because you will find that God will be faithful to you in helping you to overcome the sin within your life. This is only by the power of God and not yourself. But is fear a bad thing? Why does it have to start out that way? Well, children sometimes fear what their parents at times. But does that mean their parents hate their children? No. They are trying to protect them. For example: A father may yell it has son not to touch a hot stove because it could burn him or to yell at him not to hang out in the street where fast cars have been known to fly down that street on occasion. The father is trying to protect them. Yes, the father should also be loving with his son, as well. But the point is that fear helps us to depart from things that are destructive to our lives. You do many things out of fear that protects you. You do not speed at super fast speeds all the time with no care in the world without some kind of fear you will not get your license suspended. When we do bad, the reality is that there is going to be some kind of punishment to take place. God is fair in His justice and goodness. If God were to let sinning Christians off the hook in their sinning, then He would have to apologize to unbelievers for their sinning. Why would God be partial to one group of sinners over another just because they have a mental acknowledgment that He is their Savior? It doesn't make sense. How does that work in the real world? Could a servant be disloyal to his king and yet say that everything was okay because the servant was having a mental picture of the king as his savior? No. The king would say he was crazy and toss away the key in him being disloyal. OSAS cannot be made into a real world example. Yet, Jesus made real world examples all the time to illustrate spiritual truth. They were called parables. Oh, and yes. Even the Canaanite woman had expounded upon Jesus's parable by making a parable of her own. So that means we can make parables, too. So go ahead. Try making a parable out of OSAS. You will never be able to explain away the immorality of it. For why would God reward evil workers just because they have a mental picture of Jesus as their Savior? It just does not add up. Oh, but they will say that they are not doing bad things. But Jesus says, you will know them by their fruits.

Personally I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, either I believe OSAS and possibly risk going to hell for wrong theology (and evidently more than 50% of people responding to this thread are believing the wrong thing too), or I believe I can lose salvation and I am robbed of my joy of doing works for love of God rather than for avoidance of hell.

In my opinion it is always better to play it safe than to be sorry. Why take the chance? However, ultimately, ask the Lord to show you the truth on this matter and do not stop asking Him. Tell Him that you are honestly willing to submit to the truth on this matter, but you are asking HIM to show you and not some man like me. Yes, I will still give you a reply to your question with Scripture and with honesty and sincerity. I have not forgotten your question. It is a very serious question and I do not want to leave any stone unturned in my reply to you on it. I want it to be a prayerful reply with Scripture. I want God to write thru me on that one for you (and not myself).

The joy of one's salvation is in the truth of not taking any short cuts. There are no short cuts. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. But He has to be made known to us for real. We have to follow Jesus and do what He says. For it would ridiculous to assume that nobody has ever dedicated theri lives 100% to following Jesus. His disciples sure followed Jesus. They forsaked all to follow Him. The 144,000 were found without fault before the throne of God (Revelation 14:3-5). Enoch walked with God and he was not. He had the testimony that he pleased God. This means, you can walk the same path (if you truly want to). By your own power? No. No. Most certainly not. But God working in you.


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[stuart lawrence]

Under the OC 613 laws were given at Sania, and Moses told the people I they obeyed them, that would be their righteousness. ( deut6:25)

So how could anyone err by teaching people those laws must be obeyed to enter heaven? They would simply be quoting the then scriptures concerning justification for heaven.
So why did the Pharisees err so badly? For they preached obedience to the law to attain heaven.
To preach the letter, without preaching the love, mercy and compassion of God alongside it just leaves cold, hard religion. Yes, the Pharisees would have preached forgiveness was available under the OC, but it carries very little weight when you insist to attain heaven the letter of the law must be strictly obeyed.
The bible states the letter kills. A poster in Thi debate has given a good example of this, by mentioning Six sins/ contradiction of the letter that people break most days of their lives, for it is impossible to perfectly obey the letter, it will always condemn you.
So the Pharisees preached nigh on perfect obedience to the letter of the law to attain heaven, while they themselves could not/ did not practice what they demanded of others, and so they crushed the people with impossible demands, thereby breaking the second most important commandment.
It I impossible to love God under a strict law of righteousness, so the greatest commandment was also being broken by them. As Jesus told the Pharisees, they tithed down to their last mint dil and cumin but neglected the love of God


No wonder Jesus came to release the oppressed and downtrodden, they had been made that way by the Pharisees preaching the letter of the law without the heart of the message alongside it, the love, mercy and compassion of God

 

[supescritter]

First, Biblical Christianity (Involving the Correct Teaching on Conditional Salvation) has not lost it's uniqueness compared to other religions. The key difference here is that other religions do not stress how it is JESUS that does the good work in you (Who is God, i.e. second person of the Godhead). Jesus said there is none good but God. Paul says if any man think himself to be something when he is nothing deceives himself. So we are nothing and Christ is everything. Jesus says we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). The focus here is Jesus Christ and not self or the power in your own might alone. In fact, it is amazing. Whenever I tell people this, many times it goes in one ear and out other. It's like they are in a deep sleep and I am talking to them and they cannot hear the words coming out of my mouth. Well, I should say they are not hearing the Word of God that I am quoting to them. Then again, the seed of the Word of God has to take root within a person's heart that is a part of the faith, though.
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I want to explore what you mean exactly by "Jesus does the good work in you". Can you elaborate in as much detail as possible? I agree that Jesus enables us to do good works, but I sense what I think that means is different to what you think it means. Please explain it like a step by step "manual". Thanks.

 

[supescritter]

Under the OC 613 laws were given at Sania, and Moses told the people I they obeyed them, that would be their righteousness. ( deut6:25)

So how could anyone err by teaching people those laws must be obeyed to enter heaven? They would simply be quoting the then scriptures concerning justification for heaven.
So why did the Pharisees err so badly? For they preached obedience to the law to attain heaven.
To preach the letter, without preaching the love, mercy and compassion of God alongside it just leaves cold, hard religion. Yes, the Pharisees would have preached forgiveness was available under the OC, but it carries very little weight when you insist to attain heaven the letter of the law must be strictly obeyed.
The bible states the letter kills. A poster in Thi debate has given a good example of this, by mentioning Six sins/ contradiction of the letter that people break most days of their lives, for it is impossible to perfectly obey the letter, it will always condemn you.
So the Pharisees preached nigh on perfect obedience to the letter of the law to attain heaven, while they themselves could not/ did not practice what they demanded of others, and so they crushed the people with impossible demands, thereby breaking the second most important commandment.
It I impossible to love God under a strict law of righteousness, so the greatest commandment was also being broken by them. As Jesus told the Pharisees, they tithed down to their last mint dil and cumin but neglected the love of God


No wonder Jesus came to release the oppressed and downtrodden, they had been made that way by the Pharisees preaching the letter of the law without the heart of the message alongside it, the love, mercy and compassion of God

I struggle with this too Stuart. When people are told to do some righteous act, in order to be righteous before God, (eg. tithe mint, dill and cumin), then of course - they will do the righteous act to be righteous. It's not fair to then say "no, you go to hell because you didn't do it out of love" - it's not fair to be thrown into hell for trying to obey exactly what's written!!!

On the other hand, if you're told to do a righteous act motivated ONLY out of love for God, then two things must happen:
1. God has to first demonstrate His love for you (we love God because He first loved us)
2. There can't be any punishment for disobedience (because then we are no longer motivated by love)

This is every parent's greatest desire: that our children obey us out of love, not out of fear of punishment. The most successful parent, ANY BOOK WILL TELL YOU, is one who incentivizes their children with love, rather than with punishment. And what does the Bible tell us? That we must enter heaven like little children
Matthew 18:3

This makes Christianity unique, that we do good works out of love, rather than to avoid punishment (like every other religion teaches). Anyway, even if I *feel* this is true, doesn't mean my feeling/interpretation is correct. Maybe we do get punished for not doing good works? - so I am willing to explore the full extent of this belief.

Now, the cost of believing in OSAS is that yes, you do end up with complacent Christians, but the benefits are truly amazing - you see people who are so motivated by a gratefulness and love that is not found anywhere in the world. I feel that God has created a method of salvation that allows this miraculous "works motivated by love and gratefulness" to occur. "if we love Jesus then we will obey him" rather than "obey Jesus or you will get thrown into hell".

I will feel sad if OSAS is not true, because I feel it is the most beautiful thing (good works motivated only by love) about Christianity.

 

[stuart lawrence]

So were the Pharisees just a thing if the past, do they not exist today?
Do people today demand you obey the letter of the law(1050 commands) if you want to attain to heaven?
Do people today earnestly preach a strict law of righteousness according to the letter to be justified for heaven?
It is easy to see, for this results in not practicing what you preach
IE
Someone can mercilessly attack the belief you can sin and be saved, while at the same Time excusing their sin while believing they are I a saved state. Its hypocrisy.
People may also tell you, if you don't obey Christs literal commands you cannot love him, while they fo themselves do not even try to obey all of those commands.
So the phariseeical nature is as alive now as it was 2,000 years ago.

What was the result in the lives of those who preached an earnest law of righteousness/ demanded full obedience to the letter to attain heaven? They were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean on the inside.
Would that not be the case today concerning those who basically preach the same message they did?
For the human being is the same in make up today as he was then.

Jesus said beware of the yeast of the pharisees
He also said the yeast of the Pharisees was their hypocrisy

 

[stuart lawrence]

I struggle with this too Stuart. When people are told to do some righteous act, in order to be righteous before God, (eg. tithe mint, dill and cumin), then of course - they will do the righteous act to be righteous. It's not fair to then say "no, you go to hell because you didn't do it out of love" - it's not fair to be thrown into hell for trying to obey exactly what's written!!!

On the other hand, if you're told to do a righteous act motivated ONLY out of love for God, then two things must happen:
1. God has to first demonstrate His love for you (we love God because He first loved us)
2. There can't be any punishment for disobedience (because then we are no longer motivated by love)

This is every parent's greatest desire: that our children obey us out of love, not out of fear of disobedience. The most successful parent, ANY BOOK WILL TELL YOU, is one who incentivizes their children with love, rather than with punishment. And what does the Bible tell us? That we must enter heaven like little children
Matthew 18:3

This makes Christianity unique, that we do good works out of love, rather than to avoid punishment (like every other religion teaches). Anyway, even if I *feel* this is true, doesn't mean my feeling/interpretation is correct. Maybe we do get punished for not doing good works? - so I am willing to explore the full extent of this belief.

If you don't feel I am properly addressing your points, please say so.
A person comes to Christ. Gods love is demonstrated by the fact Jesus died for us sinners. He took our punishment upon himself.
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

Why is this not a licence to sin?

Because the NC comes in two parts.
The law God desires you to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart by the Holy Spirit at conversion. It is the defining moment of you life. Gone is the ability to sin in ignorance or without conscience. You cannot go against what is on your heart without feeling great sorrow for doing so. Your conscience must be seered when you wilfully transgress the law placed on your heart. Hence the licence to sin is removed by you not being under a law of righteousness. It is impossible for anyone who has That law placed within them to believe they can happily sin as much as they want if they are not under a law of righteousness.
Jesus will only be your saviour from sin if the law God desires you to keep has been placed on your heart. For he will be no ones saviour from sin unless they in their heart desire to obey his father.
The christian is a work in progress all their life. God deals with the most important things that need dealing with first obviously, then reveals more and more things that need dealing with throughout your christian life. Wilfull sin if you like is giving into sin when you have been set free of it by God. When we dont then follow what in our hearts we want to do and give in to what the flesh wants to do we get our consciences seered by doing so
You in your heart dont want to offend the letter for you have been born again, but you cannot faultlessly obey the letter and thereby never sin. The only way you get true peace is by accepting Christ us your justification before God, you die to a law of righteousness. No licence to sin for you have chosen your master and the law is on your heart.
But though you have been been born again in your heart and mind, you have not in your flesh. Hence the eternal struggle of spirit against flesh

 

[DrBubbaLove]

So were the Pharisees just a thing if the past, do they not exist today?
Do people today demand you obey the letter of the law(1050 commands) if you want to attain to heaven?
Do people today earnestly preach a strict law of righteousness according to the letter to be justified for heaven?
It is easy to see, for this results in not practicing what you preach
IE
Someone can mercilessly attack the belief you can sin and be saved, while at the same Time excusing their sin while believing they are I a saved state. Its hypocrisy.
People may also tell you, if you don't obey Christs literal commands you cannot love him, while they fo themselves do not even try to obey all of those commands.
So the phariseeical nature is as alive now as it was 2,000 years ago.

What was the result in the lives of those who preached an earnest law of righteousness/ demanded full obedience to the letter to attain heaven? They were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean on the inside.
Would that not be the case today concerning those who basically preach the same message they did?
For the human being is the same in make up today as he was then.

Jesus said beware of the yeast of the pharisees
He also said the yeast of the Pharisees was their hypocrisy

But I do not think a stand against hypocrisy should be a justification that sinning, any sin is OK. I hope no one goes to Hell (not saved) but I don't think Hell will ever be empty. Nor would it shock me to learn that all manner of Christian denominations be represented there, but my hope is to not be among them.

Does that make me "not saved". No. It makes we working on it with fear and trembling knowing what could be - absent His Grace. So I was saved by His Grace at Baptism, am continuing to be saved by His Grace when I repent of my sins, and my hope is to be "saved" when I depart this life.

 

[stuart lawrence]

But I do not think a stand against hypocrisy should be a justification that sinning, any sin is OK. I hope no one goes to Hell (not saved) but I don't think Hell will ever be empty. Nor would it shock me to learn that all manner of Christian denominations be represented there, but my hope is to not be among them.

Does that make me "not saved". No. It makes we working on it with fear and trembling knowing what could be - absent His Grace. So I was saved by His Grace at Baptism, am continuing to be saved by His Grace when I repent of my sins, and my hope is to be "saved" when I depart this life.

No born again christian can believe sinning is ok.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I struggle with this too Stuart. When people are told to do some righteous act, in order to be righteous before God, (eg. tithe mint, dill and cumin), then of course - they will do the righteous act to be righteous. It's not fair to then say "no, you go to hell because you didn't do it out of love" - it's not fair to be thrown into hell for trying to obey exactly what's written!!!

But it is fair. Mankind is not innocent. Man was the one who wronged God. Mankind deserves punishment for his sin. Even a person who had came to the faith for the first time and was saved in the moment they called upon Christ as their Savior and believed that He had died and was risen again for them had came forward by taking action to accept Christ. A person is not just automatically saved. Otherwise what separates the believers from the unbelievers? That is what I believe the thing that the OSAS Proponent ignores. They do not really see any major difference between the world and themselves. Yes, some of them will tell you that you will do certain good things or that they will be more holy as they live their life, but they will then back pedal on that morality and say it is not ultimately in anything you do to be saved (Which goes right back to giving people a license to sin). They will also say they are also sinners. So one is a sinning saint? Like that makes a lot of sense. Just as much as it would be to say that an unbelieving sinner is righteous. See, the problem with OSAS is that it is a license for immorality. It is saying, "Hey, I can do evil and still be saved, but we actually do good, but wait, we are also sinners." The belief leads to a split personality. A person can willing choose to do both good and evil. Then what separates them from the world then? Do not unbelievers do good and evil?

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

On the other hand, if you're told to do a righteous act motivated ONLY out of love for God, then two things must happen:
1. God has to first demonstrate His love for you (we love God because He first loved us)
2. There can't be any punishment for disobedience (because then we are no longer motivated by love)

Yes. God can punish somebody for disobeying Him if they are motivated by what they think is love. People have their own version of what love is that is wrong. They can say they are motivated by love, but they really aren't. For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). For example: Does a husband truly love his wife if he told her he was motivated by love to be her wife and yet he also cheated on her? Of course not. His actions of faithfulness to his wife proves his love for her. Sin is like cheating on God. You really can't say you are motivated by love for God if you are also doing evil against Him. It just doesn't make a lick of sense.

This is every parent's greatest desire: that our children obey us out of love, not out of fear of punishment. The most successful parent, ANY BOOK WILL TELL YOU, is one who incentivizes their children with love, rather than with punishment. And what does the Bible tell us? That we must enter heaven like little children

The analogy of a parent and son relationship has to be in the context that the son sinned against the parent horribly. Restoring that relationship takes repentance. A confession and a forsaking of sin. Just like in the Parable of the Prodigal Son. Your analogy of a good father and a good son having a good relationship does not apply. If you seriously wronged somebody in some way, and you wanted to make it right with them by asking for their forgiveness and then you would not seek to wrong them again. If not, then you are not really sorry.

Matthew 18:3

Matthew 18:3-4 says that you have to humble yourself as a little child. A humble child obeys their parent and they are not disobedient. James says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). I shouldn't have to say that those who sin are proud and not humble but that is the truth.

This makes Christianity unique, that we do good works out of love, rather than to avoid punishment (like every other religion teaches). Anyway, even if I *feel* this is true, doesn't mean my feeling/interpretation is correct. Maybe we do get punished for not doing good works? - so I am willing to explore the full extent of this belief.

Again. Scripture says perfect love casts out fear. What starts out as fear because you sinned against God turns into love by walking in the Lord's goodness. For a new believer has to learn how to love. They have to be transformed by the renewing of their mind.

Now, the cost of believing in OSAS is that yes, you do end up with complacent Christians, but the benefits are truly amazing - you see people who are so motivated by a gratefulness and love that is not found anywhere in the world. I feel that God has created a method of salvation that allows this miraculous "works motivated by love and gratefulness" to occur. "if we love Jesus then we will obey him" rather than "obey Jesus or you will get thrown into hell".

Romans 3:18 says there is no fear of God before their eyes. This means people have to repent of their sins. They have to confess and forsake sin. If not they are showing their loyalty to sin instead of God. You can try and wrap it up in any package you like and tell yourself we have to be motivated in the beginning by love instead of fear, but that is not Scriptural nor is it based on any truth in the real world. A person later learns to have perfect love by walking with God. There are no short cuts.

I will feel sad if OSAS is not true, because I feel it is the most beautiful thing (good works motivated only by love) about Christianity.

When a person learns to repent, they then in time learn to become motivated out of love to follow God. For perfect love casts out fear. They have an assurance of their walk with God because in time, they will only know of walking in His good ways. Sin and darkness will be foreign to them. Paul says sin shall not have dominion over you.





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[stuart lawrence]

The bible( Paul) states sin shall not have dominion over you BECAUSE you are not under law but under grace

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The bible( Paul) states sin shall not have dominion over you BECAUSE you are not under law but under grace

Grace is not a license to sin but it is a means to overcome sin. For shall we sin so that grace may abound? God forbid. And before you say Christians do not treat grace as a license to sin, then what does 1 John 1:8 mean for you again?


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[stuart lawrence]

Grace is not a license to sin but it is a means to overcome sin. For shall we sin so that grace may abound? God forbid. And before you say Christians do not treat grace as a license to sin, then what does 1 John 1:8 mean for you again?


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Your starting to understand. Grace is the way to live a more holy life.
You must die to the law and live by a righteousness of faith in Christ.

The christian has no licence to sin, fof the law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian.
However, man cannot, nor will not achieve sinless perfection. Hence 1john1:8

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your starting to understand. Grace is the way to live a more holy life.
You must die to the law and live by a righteousness of faith in Christ.

The christian has no licence to sin, fof the law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian.
However, man cannot, nor will not achieve sinless perfection. Hence 1john1:8

1 John 1:8 sounds like it is talking in the present tense. If we say we have no sin, etc. This means the Law is not written upon a person's heart who declares such an interpretation from 1 John 1:8 because they breaking those laws by saying they have sin.

This view to me is like a dog chasing it's own tail.


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[stuart lawrence]

A woman on another website stated:

Pentecostals/ fundamentalists and Catholics are the two denominations That find it hardest to accept biblical grace

Strange because doctrinally they are supposed to be the two mainstream denominations furthest apart.

 

[stuart lawrence]

1 John 1:8 sounds like it is talking in the present tense. If we say we have no sin, etc. This means the Law is not written upon a person's heart who declares such an interpretation from 1 John 1:8 because they breaking those laws by saying they have sin.

This view to me is like a dog chasing it's own tail.


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I'm sorry, but you are far away from understanding the truth of grace/ the new covenant.
The law is placed on the heart of the believer and in their heart they want to obey it. However much they want to obey though, they never will perfectly obey. The true standard the law sets us to high.

As you yourself said:
Dont lower the standard of the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law is inflexible, there is no imaginary pass mark of obedience to it to justify your entry into heaven.
Perfectly obey it or stand guilty before it

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The law is inflexible, there is no imaginary pass mark of obedience to it to justify your entry into heaven.
Perfectly obey it or stand guilty before it

First, Jesus said He came not to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. Meaning, Jesus was not only fulfilling the Law with His obedience to the Law all the way up until His death, but He was fulfilling the Law itself into it's true and ultimate potential. Love. For the Scriptures say that the Law has changed (Hebrews 7:12).

Second, 1 John 5:16-18 says there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. Baptism is a command that is not a sin unto death (1 Peter 3:21). Yet, murder, adultery, lying, and coveting are sins that lead unto the second death (which is the Lake of Fire) (Revelation 21:8).


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[Bible Highlighter]

I'm sorry, but you are far away from understanding the truth of grace/ the new covenant.
The law is placed on the heart of the believer and in their heart they want to obey it. However much they want to obey though, they never will perfectly obey. The true standard the law sets us to high.

As you yourself said:
Dont lower the standard of the law

People of many different religions desire to obey a standard of morality, as well. But they cannot do so without Jesus Christ.


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[Bible Highlighter]

A woman on another website stated:

Pentecostals/ fundamentalists and Catholics are the two denominations That find it hardest to accept biblical grace

Strange because doctrinally they are supposed to be the two mainstream denominations furthest apart.

It is not about comparing religions.
There are many things that people of different denominations share.
Something is true regardless of doing a side by side comparison.
That is not how to determine what is true.

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[Bible Highlighter]

I'm sorry, but you are far away from understanding the truth of grace/ the new covenant.
The law is placed on the heart of the believer and in their heart they want to obey it. However much they want to obey though, they never will perfectly obey. The true standard the law sets us to high.

As you yourself said:
Dont lower the standard of the law

Paul says,

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).


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