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I have never heard of such people. Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?
It's called me dome theory. There was a layer of water surrounding the atmosphere that shielded the earth from the harmful effects of the sun. Much of the water from the flood came from it when it was released as rain.
 
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Because it in Gen 1:11-12, it says, "God saw," that it was good. "God saw."

Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

He was seeing in his omniscience what was to be as it if it were already being. God can do that easily. That is why he can declare us now being righteous.

But for us? We do not get to see the plants God created beginning to 'sprout' until Gen 2:5-6.

"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

I disagree, I believe Genesis 1:4 is simply another explanation of the creation process that took place in the first 6 days because Exodus 20:11 tells us that He created the heavens and the earth and everything in them in 6 days. What your saying is that man was not created in those first 6 days.
 
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I disagree, I believe Genesis 1:4 is simply another explanation of the creation process that took place in the first 6 days because Exodus 20:11 tells us that He created the heavens and the earth and everything in them in 6 days. What your saying is that man was not created in those first 6 days.

Male and female souls were created out from nothing "bara."
Its the soul that was created in God's image.

Male and female souls created that needed bodies to live in the material world. That took place in Genesis 2.

In Genesis 2? God did no more "creating." No more "bara," as seen in Genesis One. No more "bara" which it says God rested from doing.

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed
the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all
the work of creating (bara!) that he had done."
Gen 2:2-3​


God first created (bara) and set the foundation in Genesis One.
In Genesis Two it was unveiled for our eyes to see.

Its not two creation accounts. For only Genesis One speaks of God creating anything. No more "bara" taking place in Genesis Two.

That is why we eventually need to better learn the original languages if we are to grow into a better understanding the mind of Christ. The "thinking" of Christ.

Grace and peace .....
 
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It's called me dome theory. There was a layer of water surrounding the atmosphere that shielded the earth from the harmful effects of the sun. Much of the water from the flood came from it when it was released as rain.

Out of curiosity, what kept this water from falling down as rain? According to those who believe this idea? And when the windows of the firmament closed, and the rain stopped, how did that happen in a dome made of water?
 
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It's called me dome theory. There was a layer of water surrounding the atmosphere that shielded the earth from the harmful effects of the sun. Much of the water from the flood came from it when it was released as rain.


Problem with it being a dome: A dome is a partial circle with a flat bottom.... Yet, the planet is round, not flat.

The "dome theory" may be better described as God created the 'atmosphere' and all its aspects around the earth.
 
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Problem with it being a dome: A dome is a partial circle with a flat bottom.... Yet, the planet is round, not flat.

The "dome theory" may be better described as God created the 'atmosphere' and all its aspects around the earth.
Yes. See my reply above in the last post
 
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Problem with it being a dome: A dome is a partial circle with a flat bottom.... Yet, the planet is round, not flat.

The "dome theory" may be better described as God created the 'atmosphere' and all its aspects around the earth.
It was called the canopy model. My bad
 
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It was called the canopy model. My bad


The "atmosphere" is a canopy around the earth..... For no more atmosphere surrounds the atmosphere. Outer space is nothingness compared to our atmosphere. Our atmosphere is a protective "covering." It is a canopy.

The atmosphere protects us from the sun's bad effects. "Canopy" is our shelter.
 
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Out of curiosity, what kept this water from falling down as rain? According to those who believe this idea? And when the windows of the firmament closed, and the rain stopped, how did that happen in a dome made of water?
It was called the canopy model. My mistake
 
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The "atmosphere" is a canopy around the earth..... For no more atmosphere surrounds the atmosphere. Outer space is nothingness compared to our atmosphere. Our atmosphere is a protective "covering." It is a canopy.

The atmosphere protects us from the sun's bad effects. "Canopy" is our shelter.

Evolution debunked. Again.
 
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Problem with it being a dome: A dome is a partial circle with a flat bottom.... Yet, the planet is round, not flat.

The "dome theory" may be better described as God created the 'atmosphere' and all its aspects around the earth.

This post assumes that ancient Hebrews knew that earth is a sphere.
 
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This post assumes that ancient Hebrews knew that earth is a sphere.
That is not logical...

The ancient Hebrews were not there to witness to the creation. It would have to be the Holy Spirit not knowing the earth is a sphere.

A good number of things the prophets wrote about were not according to the contemporary thinking of their day. Moses wrote Genesis under the power of the Spirit of prophesy.
 
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It's called me dome theory. There was a layer of water surrounding the atmosphere that shielded the earth from the harmful effects of the sun. Much of the water from the flood came from it when it was released as rain.
I asked you,

Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?


The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

Likewise, the Septuagint,

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

And the Latin Vulgate,

6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus

The Wycliffe Bible, being translated from the Latin Vulgate,

6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7 And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai.

The word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”

Moreover, the Latin noun firmamentum is composed of the cognate verb “firmare” meaning to make firm or to harden plus the suffix “–mentum”—a Latin suffix that expresses the concrete result of the verb. In other words, the firmament in Genesis 1:6 is a strong, solid structure. It is NOT the earth’s atmosphere. Therefore, even the KJV agrees with the translation “dome.”
 
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As expected, the article doesn't address the question. What...a....surprise...
No it's in reference to your earlier post. And the theory was called the canopy model not the dome theory
 
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I asked you,

Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?


The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

Likewise, the Septuagint,

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

And the Latin Vulgate,

6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus

The Wycliffe Bible, being translated from the Latin Vulgate,

6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7 And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai.

The word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”

Moreover, the Latin noun firmamentum is composed of the cognate verb “firmare” meaning to make firm or to harden plus the suffix “–mentum”—a Latin suffix that expresses the concrete result of the verb. In other words, the firmament in Genesis 1:6 is a strong, solid structure. It is NOT the earth’s atmosphere. Therefore, even the KJV agrees with the translation “dome.”
It was called the canopy model
Not the dome theory . My mistake.
 
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That is not logical...

The ancient Hebrews were not there to witness to the creation. It would have to be the Holy Spirit not knowing the earth is a sphere.

A good number of things the prophets wrote about were not according to the contemporary thinking of their day. Moses wrote Genesis under the power of the Spirit of prophesy.
I asked you,

Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?


The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

Likewise, the Septuagint,

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

And the Latin Vulgate,

6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus

The Wycliffe Bible, being translated from the Latin Vulgate,

6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7 And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai.

The word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”

Moreover, the Latin noun firmamentum is composed of the cognate verb “firmare” meaning to make firm or to harden plus the suffix “–mentum”—a Latin suffix that expresses the concrete result of the verb. In other words, the firmament in Genesis 1:6 is a strong, solid structure. It is NOT the earth’s atmosphere. Therefore, even the KJV agrees with the translation “dome.”
What I was referring to is called the canopy model. I got the name wrong. My mistake
 
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I asked you,

Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?


The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

Likewise, the Septuagint,

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

And the Latin Vulgate,

6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus

The Wycliffe Bible, being translated from the Latin Vulgate,

6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7 And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai.

The word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”

Moreover, the Latin noun firmamentum is composed of the cognate verb “firmare” meaning to make firm or to harden plus the suffix “–mentum”—a Latin suffix that expresses the concrete result of the verb. In other words, the firmament in Genesis 1:6 is a strong, solid structure. It is NOT the earth’s atmosphere. Therefore, even the KJV agrees with the translation “dome.”
It's called the canopy model. I got the name wrong
 
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As expected, the article doesn't address the question. What...a....surprise...
The article is about the firmament. The theory I mentioned is called the canopy model. I got the name wrong
 
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