How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

[Spiritual Jew]

I read scripture through a different lens, because of Jesus there is now no separation between God and man, 2 Cor 5:14-15 Jesus died for all therefore all have died, he died for all so that those living might not live for themselves... Jesus by his death bought all humanity back for God he is in all, but most are blind to the fact and live for themselves.
2 Thess 1:9 olethros aionios is not everlasting destruction, that is a bad translation. olethros does not imply annihilation, but the loss that goes with complete undoing, they lose their inheritance, aionios does not mean eternal but pertaining to the age or of the age, they go to the age of punishment because of the loss, they did not follow God in this age.

I didn't say it had anything to do with annihilation. But, it certainly refers to being separated away from the presence of God, which your statement blatantly contradicts.

As for your claim that it's not talking about everlasting destruction, I don't buy your argument at all. When Jesus spoke of "this age" and "the age to come", He differentiated between temporal things of this age and eternal things of the age to come (Luke 20:34-36). So, an age can be eternal.

I follow the teaching of the early church fathers like Gregory of Nyssa the father of fathers, and others who taught Apokatastasis the renewal of all things, not just a few or small amount.

I follow the teaching of the Holy Spirit by way of the authors of the Bible.

When I read 1 Cor 15:28 and it says God will be all in all, I do not read it as God will be all in a few, Phil 2:10-11 Every knee should bow of those of those in heaven, and those on earth, and those under the earth, and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord.

Why are you twisting scripture to fit your doctrine? You need to deal with scripture honestly. Philippians 2:10-11 absolutely does NOT say every tongue will GLADLY confess that Jesus is Lord. Those who do acknowledge Jesus is Lord in this lifetime when today is the day and now is the time of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2) will not GLADLY confess that Jesus is Lord. They will SORROWFULLY confess that Jesus is Lord out of regret that they didn't do it when today was the day and now was the time of salvation. It will be too late for them at that point since that will be after the time during which today is the day and now is the time of salvation. With Him being before them in all His glory they will not be able to deny that He is Lord, but they will NOT confess that GLADLY. You are just making that up to fit your doctrine, which is unacceptable.

These and other verses that tell the same thing is the foundation of how I read scripture, those who believe in "eternal hell" or annihilation have separation as the foundation and read scripture with a different lense.
So from my standpoint it is not I who is misinterpreting scripture wrong, I stand with the early church fathers, and it is those who read it from separation that are misinterpreting it wrong.
You say God never forces anyone to do anything against their will ? Tell that to Paul who was blinded and was nocked to the ground by God, do you not think God violated Pauls will ?

What did God force Paul to do there that was against his will? I'm not saying that God never interacts with man, but where are you getting the idea that God forced Paul to do anything against his will?

 

[Hoping2]

If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?

It brings glory to God, because it is only those who reject His way out of that destruction who will suffer eternally.
All those who heeded His call, will live in a new paradise.

 

[bling]

I do not understand how " those refusers of Gods love are still loved by God" How is it love to burn people forever ? It is loving for God to keep pursuing each person after the mortal body dies and people will see Jesus without the flesh that distores everything. The parable of the lost sheep, Jesus will pursue until he finds and restores all, now that is love.

In my view, with lots of Biblical support, I have given in the past, the second death is annihilation. This is a lengthy subject, I might find a one-hour lecture on it. There are degrees of punishment depending on how bad you were like we find in the Old Law, but not degrees of reward.
The lost sheep did not fall off a cliff, die and have the shepherd bring it back to life.
BUT YES! God still Loves those who went to hell and annihilation, but they all refused His help to the point of no how ever accepting God's help/Love/Charity of their own free will choice, meaning that would have to be other likely alternatives, like humans find on earth with the likely alternative of being pleasure seekers. Tell me after leaving earth what likely alternative would a person be able to choose other than following God?
The reason God allows people to go to hell and/or annihilation is not out of vengeance, justice or to help them in some way, but God allows these seekers of pleasure to provide an example to those still willing to accept God's help to do it sooner than later. It help me with my choice, did it help you?

 

[Richard T]

I hope everyone considers this purpose of God. Eph 3:10 “To the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.” The church (remnant) is showing all the fallen angels up. That Jesus the man (inferior) was able to defeat Satan and all the fallen angels. That while we (man) were created lower than angels that we know are joint heirs with Jesus and children of God. Saving mankind was quite a feat but showing up the fallen angels that an inferior man could have authority over them through Jesus and become children is the ultimate humiliation. Yes, many humans are lost in the process. Some think that is all God's fault. But these are individual decisions that God allows. A parent does not always stop an adult child from their bad decisions. Sure we might like them to make great career choices, go to church, love God and others but many don't turn out that way. God does make a way of escape and helps, but man has help themselve and find a way in God to overcome. It might seem like some tough tests and they are, but the gift is free. How good the warranty for heaven might be for those that misuse their position is often debated but praise God there is a way of some sorts in every Christian faith. (Admitedly, though some churches concentrating on law or works are likely misleading)

Unlike the fallen angels, humans are tested before going to heaven. God tested Jesus His own son to the max and He shows us the way. Christians too bare some responsibilities to the unsaved. Sometimes we have a chance to do more as a witness. Even worse, most Christians, myself included do things once in awhile that even hurt others from coming to Christ. Even doing nothing too hurts others who could be shown an open hand. It can be our giving, our witness, our hypocrisy etc. So the church is responsible to an extent of the impact they have in each generation.
I am glad we have a place we can share as these are tough ideas that can impede our witness. I guess the recommendation is to quit focusing so much on the thought that some will be lost and focus more on the one's that we can help lend and hand in bringing them to Christ.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?

Romans 9 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

God as a Creator can do with His creation as He pleases.

Everything God does is to His glory. God punishing sinners justly is God gloryfying Himself. Does He not have a right to punish us for our evil?

Yes, God knew we would sin. But that was our choice. We are fully reponsible for our choices. God created this world without sin, but through our disobedience, sin entered world and all the evil and suffering with it. We have only our selves to blame.

The question is not why God punishes sinners, the questions is, why does He save anyone at all? Because all we do is evil.

But God showed His love to us by sending His Son on the cross. And even though we deserve hell, He provided a way of salvation.

That's why God allowed us to fall, so He can show His mercy, but also His just wrath.

All my Christians life I'm hearing people questioning God, why does He does this, why He does that, why hell etc. But no one ever asks why does God allow good to those who do evil? And why don't humans obey God?

So God is supposed to love us, but all we do is evil and we don't love God. Doesn't seem fair to me!

All we do is judge God for what He does, but one day, He will judge all of us. And then what?

 

[BNR32FAN]

How do those who are " burning forever" glorify God , I want to know that, because that is what most believe.

They don’t. Do you?

 

[Aseyesee]

If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?

To speak like a man that tills the ground … What was the reason for God creating anything at all to begin with …

 

[bèlla]

The Parable of the Sower explains it perfectly. Each soil explains the persons condition and choices. Four were mentioned and only one yielded a harvest. The others could have done the same but they didn’t. Only 25% were committed to the Lord and it should give us pause. The majority won’t make it.

~bella