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So you're preaching keeping all of those?
Hello Bob.
How do you understand the following verse.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
The point remains.
Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.
I misstated the verse. It wasn't verse 1, it was verse 2. 1 Corinthians 1"2He did not address those with "hostility towards God" as saints... ever.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
The point remains.
Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.
I misstated the verse. It wasn't verse 1, it was verse 2. 1 Corinthians 1"2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
You are barking up the wrong tree with the “hostility towards God” angle here.He did not address those with "hostility towards God" as saints... ever.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Paul had no way to make sure that an unsaved church member in Corinth would never read his letter -- as we all know.
His letter was written to the Christian church at Corinth and certainly some of them were saved.
Meanwhile -- Back to the letter to the Romans. Chapter 8
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Those who are "hostile" toward God... who do not subject themselves to the Law of God "neither indeed CAN they" -- are lost and in need of the Gospel.
Paul said these BRETHREN were in active sin.Paul had no way to make sure that an unsaved church member in Corinth would never read his letter -- as we all know.
His letter was written to the Christian church at Corinth and certainly some of them were saved.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
The point remains.
Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.
I misstated the verse. It wasn't verse 1, it was verse 2. 1 Corinthians 1"2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Paul said these BRETHREN were in active sin.
And according to your definition, they were hostile to God.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
The point remains.
Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.
I misstated the verse. It wasn't verse 1, it was verse 2. 1 Corinthians 1"2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
You are barking up the wrong tree with the “hostility towards God” angle here.
As a matter of fact, it is about the unsaved being “hostile to God”
It is a contrast.
Would you like to start off with
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
and "Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12
and "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
Even though none of these laws of Moses are listed specifically as being for gentiles in Acts 15??
Indeed we would flat out fire any pastor that would dare preach against them... And we all know it.
No, my problem is not with Paul's text and I am confident you did not write.
In what way is the Mosaic Covenant broken?
How do you decide which do, and do not apply to you?
You are wording this riddle in a tricky way! A sacrificial pig hey? I won't be bringing a sacrificial anything to the feast! He is the sacrifice once for all!
Jesus didn't eat pork. This passage has nothing to do with pork. It has to do with listening to men, instead of being obedient to YHWH's law.But as for bringing some food to a wedding feast, would you consider bringing a wedding cake evil? The sugar in the cake is much worse for a person than some pork! But if we don't have to consider health, because we are in our glorified bodies, then we can eat anything! Although, will there be any meat in heavens wedding feast? Most people think of the lions befriending the lambs, no more death etc. Who knows! "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." Says Jesus.
What law are you meaning? What part of the Mosaic Law? None.
Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
The point remains.
Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.
I misstated the verse. It wasn't verse 1, it was verse 2. 1 Corinthians 1"2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Paul said these BRETHREN were in active sin.
And according to your definition, they were hostile to God.
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No, my problem is not with Paul's text and I am confident you did not write.
My problem is with your interpretation of Paul's text.
You assume that when the text says "they mind the things of the flesh" that means they are not saved.
So you're preaching keeping all of those?
So do you or don't you believe we are under the whole OT law?
Are you really saying there is a difference between "mind the things of the flesh" and "the mind set on the flesh"?Nothing in my post says "mind the things of the flesh".
Let's quote that text "again".
because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
Those who imagine that New Birth to be a mind that it "hostile toward God" and in rebellion against His LAW - have not read enough scripture lately.
Are you telling me you do these 3 commands all of the time?First step 1... the easy part.
The Law of Moses includes this --
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
and "Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12
and "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
Are you telling me you do these 3 commands all of the time?
If I follow the Holy Spirit He will never lead me to break one of those commands.Wouldn't you agree that YHWH and Yahshua call us to obey these commands all the time?
Would you like to start off with
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
and "Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12
and "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
Even though none of these laws of Moses are listed specifically as being for gentiles in Acts 15??
Indeed we would flat out fire any pastor that would dare preach against them... And we all know it.
First step 1... the easy part.
The Law of Moses includes this --
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
and "Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12
and "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
Indeed we would flat out fire any pastor that would dare preach against them... And we all know it.
Here is the challenge -- can you get to step 1??
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