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Read what I've written. Again. Carefully.Believing that Goddidit does not prohibit any investigation into what He did and how it works.
FoeHammer.
People who believe that they have all the answers by themselves are the ones who are most likely to burn anyone. Oddly enough, the "witch" hunters availed THEMSELVES of all sorts of "scientific" contrivances to get the "witches" (victims) to confess. The same is true of all totalitarian societies where an elite group tells everyone else what is acceptable, educational and scientific, and what is notThats when you start burning witches!
Oddly enough, the "witch" hunters availed THEMSELVES of all sorts of "scientific" contrivances to get the "witches" (victims) to confess.
"A science stopper"? Of course it isn't. You're peddling a myth.
FoeHammer.
Whose goalposts? As I have said previously for anyone who may be looking for a natural explanation of "abiogenesis" it cant, by definition, be found in a man made laboratory. If anyone has shifted the goalposts it is the scientists.
FoeHammer.
Was the Inquisition CHRISTIAN or AUTHORITARIAN? Is torture scientic or arbitrary?Interesting. So putting a huge amount of stones on someone until they "confess" (he didn't) is "scientific". OK.
So what about the "science" of the Inquisition?
I think what you'll find is that the science folks will tell you is "forced confessions are exactly useless as data" since they are precisely applied to get whatever answer the questioner wants.
And unless I'm confused, I don't know many scientists who think that's how science gets done.
Actually, forcing the data to say what you want sounds a whole lot more like Creationism!
The same is true of all totalitarian societies where an elite group tells everyone else what is acceptable, educational and scientific, and what is not
Should this be the case then all you will have succeeded in doing would be to show that it took intelligence to "create" life.... in a lab.Why not? If we can create artificial life in an environment similar to that found in nature (like a continuation of Miller-Urey and Bada experiments) how is it not evidence that abiogenesis is possible?
There is no man made evidence I would accept. You want a natural explanation then go find it in nature and stop wasting my time with this artificial nonsense.I guess I should have realized that there is no evidence you would possibly accept. I'm not sure why anyone bothers debating you.
There is no way to test "how " God did it. That doesn't mean that God didn't do it it simply means that as the created and not the creator you are limited.Read what I've written. Again. Carefully.
"Yes it is, if you aren't interested in how God did it."
That was what I've said. Have you noticed it's a conditional? I've highlighted the 'if' just for you.
The atheists quest for their holy grail, a "natural" mechanism for abiogenesis, and you're asking me why "we" would try to find it?Why would we try to find a natural mechanism if life just magically poofed into existence.
"They"?They only hope that creationists have is that scientists quit their jobs.
WOW! Problem solved then.Why are results from labs thrown out?
Besides, we have found amino acids in meteorites. We have observed simple sugars in nebulae. Organic compounds do arise through abiotic processes in the lab and in nature.
Not if we merely replicate the conditions and life forms without our influence.Should this be the case then all you will have succeeded in doing would be to show that it took intelligence to "create" life.... in a lab.
See, that's where science stops. Science is interested in mechanisms, magic is not a mechanism.There is no way to test "how " God did it. That doesn't mean that God didn't do it it simply means that as the created and not the creator you are limited.
FoeHammer.
"We" shouldn't need to replicate anything.Not if we merely replicate the conditions and life forms without our influence.
No, that is where science begins.See, that's where science stops.
Science is a tool, it can be used to make or it can be used to break, it depends whose hands it is in and I, for one, do not trust it in the hands of atheists.Science is interested in mechanisms,
Magic is for men not God.magic is not a mechanism.
Genesis tells us how God did it.It is true that our not knowing how God did something...
I don't have to come up with a how, Genesis has already given me that.... is not proof that God didn't do that thing. Even our knowing how something did it is not proof that the something wasn't ultimately God. Science cannot say for certain whether the how can be known. However, when you don't even attempt to come up with a how you are not doing science any more. If God does things in ways we can't explain then he is outside the scope of science.
No, that is where science begins.
Science is a tool, it can be used to make or it can be used to break, it depends whose hands it is in and I, for one, do not trust it in the hands of atheists.
Magic is for men not God.Genesis tells us how God did it.
I don't have to come up with a how, Genesis has already given me that.
If life needs conditions fundamentally different from those present on the modern earth to form from simple chemical precursors (a reducing atmosphere immediately jumps to mind) then it simply cannot spontaneously reappear on the modern earth."We" shouldn't need to replicate anything.
FoeHammer.
I protest in the name of all scientists. Science looks for explanations that explain something, explanations you can understand and apply. Useful explanations. The only use of Goddidit is reassuring yourself. It can make no predictions, it gives us no tools to advance our knowledge of the world, not applications in technology. Not even a real understanding. You don't understand miracles, that's why they are called miracles.No, that is where science begins. Science is a tool, it can be used to make or it can be used to break, it depends whose hands it is in and I, for one, do not trust it in the hands of atheists.
Then what do you call the supposed mechanism God used to create stuff?Magic is for men not God.
Really? Then pray explain. Somehow I didn't think I understood how it happened when I read Genesis.Genesis tells us how God did it.
I don't have to come up with a how, Genesis has already given me that.
If life needs conditions fundamentally different from those present on the modern earth to form from simple chemical precursors (a reducing atmosphere immediately jumps to mind) then it simply cannot spontaneously reappear on the modern earth.
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