Noah's Ark

[AV1611VET]

And the Christian religion has been responsible for a number of atrocities throughout history.

In your opinion, does the Bible justify those atrocities?

If so, then your mindset is no better than those who committed them.

(For the record though, you would not be alone in your thinking. I find most of academia thinks they were done with respect to the Bible, and not in spite of It.)

Not the UB.

Considering Urantia started in a Christian nation whose Bill of Rights ensures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil, I can see why.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Considering Urantia started in a Christian nation whose Bill of Rights ensures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil, I can see why.

The USA is not a Christian nation. It is a secular nation with a good percentage of the population being Christian. The First Amendment is that Congress cannot pass laws to promote or prohibit religions and thus cannot make the USA into a religious nation.
The Bill of Rights does not mention pogroms at all. The First Amendment restrictions are on Congress so in theory a state could approve of or organize a pogrom. There have been riots involving religion in the USA but they do not quite fit the definition of pogrom.

 

[Colter]

In your opinion, does the Bible justify those atrocities?

If so, then your mindset is no better than those who committed them.

(For the record though, you would not be alone in your thinking. I find most of academia thinks they were done with respect to the Bible, and not in spite of It.)

Considering Urantia started in a Christian nation whose Bill of Rights ensures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil, I can see why.

The people who committed the atrocities wrote the Bible and justified their own behavior! One could only imagine how they would have characterized Jesus' activities and trial had they had the chance to write it for future generations on their own behalf!


Lets look at just one of many atrocities that God supposedly lead the special "chosen people" to commit.


NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.)

Numbers 31:17-18 New International Version (NIV)
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

 

[AV1611VET]

The people who committed the atrocities wrote the Bible and justified their own behavior!

They weren't Christians, they were [Old Testament] saints.

And I thought you were talking about the Crusades.

 

[Colter]

They weren't Christians, they were [Old Testament] saints.

And I thought you were talking about the Crusades.

I realize you have no excuse, sidestep the issues presented and try to float lawyerly answers to save face, but I was referring to the atrocities Christians have committed in the Christian age apart from the crusades. The OT has its own atrocities credited to God.

 

[AV1611VET]

I realize you have no excuse, sidestep the issues presented and try to float lawyerly answers to save face, but I was referring to the atrocities Christians have committed in the Christian age apart from the crusades.

Then why did you quote from the book of Numbers?

The OT has its own atrocities credited to God.

Then we're right back to Square One, aren't we?

Were these atrocities done with respect to the Bible in your opinion (not theirs)?

If you answer YES, then your mindset is no better than those who committed said atrocities.

 

[Colter]

Then why did you quote from the book of Numbers?

Then we're right back to Square One, aren't we?

Were these atrocities done with respect to the Bible in your opinion (not theirs)?

If you answer YES, then your mindset is no better than those who committed said atrocities.

The atrocities committed by Christians, such as witch burning during the dark ages, was in part justified by Exodus 22:18: "You shall not permit a sorceress to live."The best selling book for 200 years, only second to the Bible, was Malleus Maleficarum, which translates Hammer of Witches, written by Catholic inquisitor Heinrich Kramer who carried out a number of atrocities.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The atrocities committed by Christians, such as witch burning during the dark ages, was in part justified by Exodus 22:18: "You shall not permit a sorceress to live."The best selling book for 200 years, only second to the Bible, was Malleus Maleficarum, which translates Hammer of Witches, written by Catholic inquisitor Heinrich Kramer who carried out a number of atrocities.

Weren't most of those atrocities carried out by the Catholic church against those who wouldn't swear allegiance to the papacy? Charlemagne, the enforcer of the Papacy, killed lots of 'other' Christians because of this. The bible describes this but doesn't endorse it.

 

[AV1611VET]

The atrocities committed by Christians, such as witch burning during the dark ages, was in part justified by Exodus 22:18: "You shall not permit a sorceress to live."The best selling book for 200 years, only second to the Bible, was Malleus Maleficarum, which translates Hammer of Witches, written by Catholic inquisitor Heinrich Kramer who carried out a number of atrocities.

You're gonna point me in every direction but yourself, aren't you?

I realize the term "respect" is fading into obscurity as knowledge increases; but do you think maybe you could answer a simple question for me before it completely disappears:?

Does Coulter believe witch burnings were done with respect to the Bible?

 

[Colter]

You're gonna point me in every direction but yourself, aren't you?

I realize the term "respect" is fading into obscurity as knowledge increases; but do you think maybe you could answer a simple question for me before it completely disappears:?

Does Coulter believe witch burnings were done with respect to the Bible?

What is wrong with you AV???? I just answered your question!? Yes! Christians and the Israelites have used the Bible to Justify any number of atrocities including killing Jesus! In the Christian age the church invented "heresy" in order to prosecute and kill anyone who challenged the errors of the Bible. I would be tried and killed by the Christian church!

 

[Colter]

Weren't most of those atrocities carried out by the Catholic church against those who wouldn't swear allegiance to the papacy? Charlemagne, the enforcer of the Papacy, killed lots of 'other' Christians because of this. The bible describes this but doesn't endorse it.

See the Protestant persecution of Catholics. It's still going on today, even on this forum.

 

[Colter]

Why the Jews reject Jesus with scriptural references. Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

 

[OldWiseGuy]

See the Protestant persecution of Catholics. It's still going on today, even on this forum.

Persecution is not allowed on the forums.

 

[HitchSlap]

Persecution is not allowed on the forums.

Unless it’s Christians calling atheists, fools. That’s ok.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Unless it’s Christians calling atheists, fools. That’s ok.

I think you have it backwards.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is wrong with you AV???? I just answered your question!? Yes!

Then … as I said twice … your mindset is no better than theirs was.

Personally, I think they thought they were doing it with respect to the Bible; but they were wrong.

It was being done in spite of the Bible.

It's too bad academia thinks otherwise; but respect and purity are two foreign concepts in their halls today.

 

[Colter]

Then … as I said twice … your mindset is no better than theirs was.

Personally, I think they thought they were doing it with respect to the Bible; but they were wrong.

It was being done in spite of the Bible.

It's too bad academia thinks otherwise; but respect and purity are two foreign concepts in their halls today.

You have reminded me once again that you just are not an honest person.
Exodus 22:18: “You shall not permit a sorceress to live.”

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You have reminded me once again that you just are not an honest person.
Exodus 22:18: “You shall not permit a sorceress to live.”

And with good reason. It seems that sorceress's had actual occult power in that time. Today witches only have the power of suggestion (I hope).

 

[Colter]

And with good reason. It seems that sorceress's had actual occult power in that time. Today witches only have the power of suggestion (I hope).

There you have it, it's you and AV that have the mindset of those who committed the atrocities while trying to project it onto me.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There you have it, it's you and AV that have the mindset of those who committed the atrocities while trying to project it onto me.

I don't consider what God wanted done with them to be an 'atrocity' (and it has nothing to do with you).

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits (necromancer), neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 20:6
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.