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Its just common sense, no need for inquiry.
 
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Well, I've seen plenty of stress-maps of things. I'm not an engineer but even I know that a long piece of wood on an undulating surface of a body of water with a period < the length of the piece of wood will probably have stresses along it.

The ark was a massive structure, barely floating, in relatively calm water. Any stresses would be absorbed by the whole structure thus mitigating any danger of even leaking.
 
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Stop trying to invoke miracle as a way of digging yourself out of whatever hole you find yourself in.

Actually he should rely solely on Miracles. That would make the argument less interesting for us, but certainly no longer in the realm of science. (He's already had to handwave away topics he introduced like laminar flow and sed/strat topics he didn't even fully realize scientists already have information on).
 
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For the second time: the Bible does not allow for it.
Does not allow for what?
The Bible allows for 4100 years of history: from 4004 BC - 96AD.
The Bible allows for whatever history its reader reads into it.

And if the bible does not allow for observable reality, all the more reason to reject it.

So, you were unable to show how those are evidence of the Flood. And no, a global flood is not required to make serpentine rivers.
 
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The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.
 
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Nah, I am pretty sure that the professionals who built the Wyoming knew better.
I seriously doubt it.

They weren't as stupid as those who built the Hindenberg, but they did probably think: If God can do it, we can too.

Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
 
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The ark was a massive structure, barely floating, in relatively calm water. Any stresses would be absorbed by the whole structure thus mitigating any danger of even leaking.

Why would a global flood be so placid? Just curious. We currently have a planet that is about 75% covered in ocean and it is hardly universally placid and calm. Was it a miracle ocean?
 
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The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.

Ummm, considering that many in the early field were Bible-believing Christians I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Oh, wait, I know: NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

(So now we've eliminated SCIENCE, HISTORY and LOGIC. Shall we proceed?)
 
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You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.
 
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No math is needed when a wooden ship, smaller than the Ark is supposed to have been, was been built not much more than a hundred years ago, and the result is a matter of historical record.

The historical record of the ark is that it survived the flood.
 
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They weren't as stupid as those who built the Hindenberg, but they did probably think: If God can do it, we can too.

Yeah, that's what the Hindenburg designers were thinking.

Just like the Tower of Babel. They were trying to get up to Heaven to be like unto God. But they were a threat. Unlike all the other dirigibles that DIDN'T explode in flames and the jets today that fly higher than the Hindenburg ever could dream of.

(Theology is confusing sometimes!)
 
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You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.

Everyone knows the builders of the HIndenburg used SECRET ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. Sheesh!
 
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Ummm, considering that many in the early field were Bible-believing Christians I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Oh, wait, I know: NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

(So now we've eliminated SCIENCE, HISTORY and LOGIC. Shall we proceed?)

Paraphrasing Mark Twain, "You could go over the research of those investigators with a divining rod and never find the real flood."
 
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The historical record of the ark is that it survived the flood.

Huh. That's interesting. So you are willing to trust the words of a couple different authors telling a story two different ways but you have to bend over backwards to explain why we can't rely on the actual physical evidence. Hmmm.
 
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Paraphrasing Mark Twain, "You could go over the research of those investigators with a divining rod and never find the real flood."

And I'm just positive you know all about the history of Geology. I mean apart from the fact that so far you've shown almost no knowledge of actual geology....
 
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Stop trying to invoke miracle as a way of digging yourself out of whatever hole you find yourself in.
???

Do you want to understand this, or don't you?
 
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The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.


Sorry, but momentum, gravity, etc. would still exist. Like it or not we know that the flood would have left a mark.

And you have yet to explain why we do not see the biological effects of the flood. It seems that you are even more afraid of that since you don't even try to wave your hands for that problem.
 
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You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.
You guys aren't even trying to understand, are you?
 
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