Noah's Ark

[VirOptimus]

Yup.

Remove all your fancy "evidence," and you guys flounder like a fish out of water.

What's going to happen when people stand before God and try to present their physical evidence as to why the Bible was wrong?

Where will it be?

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Supposed He gave them 10 minutes to find it, or it's aitch-time?

What are they going to do then?

You think this is a salvation issue?

 

[AV1611VET]

Should read "In the beginning, the Son of God created......" according to John 1

"God" will do just fine, according to 1 John.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[AV1611VET]

You think this is a salvation issue?

No.

 

[Obliquinaut]

I think there was a 'tipping point' where the flood overcame the land.

Doesn't change the fact that what you are proposing is a case of "Transgressive Sequence". So now explain why it wouldn't bear any resemblance to a transgressive sequence in geology?

I mean, use technical language and explain exactly why it wouldn't look like everything geologists know already happens.

 

[Obliquinaut]

How could the flood recede? The ocean was already full of water. You are trying to claim that very deep water would not affect the surface and not explaining where the water came from or went to.

I am thinking he is working from the idea of subsidence and transgression followed by regression upon uplift. He's going about it pretty haphazardly and clearly he is unfamiliar with basic geology, but he has stumbled onto some of the concepts that intro geology undergrads are introduced to.

His math is still missing and clearly it is not a fully-formed concept.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Yup.

Remove all your fancy "evidence," and you guys flounder like a fish out of water.

This is a strange statement, because WITH evidence you seem to flounder. No offense but you seem to ask people to do things you are clearly incapable of doing if the tables were turned.

What's going to happen when people stand before God and try to present their physical evidence as to why the Bible was wrong?

That will be ridiculously simple! We do it ever day on here! Even if we are in error we have plenty of reason to question.

And since we know God doesn't like to be questioned it is a sure thing that He will have to destroy us...but that isn't the problem. If our questions are a threat to God then I fear God wouldn't be very powerful and that doesn't make any sense theologically!

Suppose He gave them 10 minutes to find it, or it's aitch-time?

What are they going to do then?

Be destroyed by a vengeful God. But if God feels that it is necessary to destroy those who ask legitimate questions, then it is what it is.

 

[VirOptimus]

No.

Then why the fancy powerfantasy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Be destroyed by a vengeful God. But if God feels that it is necessary to destroy those who ask legitimate questions, then it is what it is.

Well, for the record ... and I've said this here more than once ... one thing God can do is take a handful of people, if not all of them, back in time to 4004 BC and show them the creation week in real time.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Well, for the record ... and I've said this here more than once ... one thing God can do is take a handful of people, if not all of them, back in time to 4004 BC and show them the creation week in real time.

Sure he can, but has he ever?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure he can, but has he ever?

Not that I know of.

He took someone (can't remember who) around in the present, but not the past.

John experienced the future in real time.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Not that I know of.

Why not? Would it provide too much proof and not allow for legitimate questions to persist?

 

[Obliquinaut]

You know what's really funny? THE EARTH allows you to time travel just by looking at the rocks. And there are people who are trained to do just that! And they can read almost verbatim what was going on at the time! Doesn't need any person somewhere to write it out for 'em. It's all there.

UNLESS you put more value in the written words of HUMANS than the evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yup.

Remove all your fancy "evidence," and you guys flounder like a fish out of water.

I was not floundering, you asked a nonsensical question.

I then answered it the best that I could.

What's going to happen when people stand before God and try to present their physical evidence as to why the Bible was wrong?

It is highly unlikely that that will ever happen. But if that does happen they could legitimately ask him why he tired to mislead people, if your beliefs are correct.

Where will it be?

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Suppose He gave them 10 minutes to find it, or it's aitch-time?

What are they going to do then?

Since this is another rather nonsensical question I can't answer it as asked.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, for the record ... and I've said this here more than once ... one thing God can do is take a handful of people, if not all of them, back in time to 4004 BC and show them the creation week in real time.

But this is just your unsubstantiated belief. You are once again proposing a dishonest God since the Earth clearly tells us in many different ways that it is old. Not "made old" but actually old.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know what's really funny? THE EARTH allows you to time travel just by looking at the rocks. And there are people who are trained to do just that! And they can read almost verbatim what was going on at the time! Doesn't need any person somewhere to write it out for 'em. It's all there.

All there, huh?

Including this?

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are once again proposing a dishonest God since the Earth clearly tells us in many different ways that it is old.

If it's so clear, why do you need to spend money learning what the earth is telling you?

 

[Obliquinaut]

If it's so clear, why do you need to spend money learning what the earth is telling you?

So that your life will be made better. Understand your home better, live a better life.

EVERYTHING you use comes from the earth. By all means, do feel free to Pray for the metals that make your phone work, but don't expect God to create a phone for you ex nihilo.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am thinking he is working from the idea of subsidence and transgression followed by regression upon uplift. He's going about it pretty haphazardly and clearly he is unfamiliar with basic geology, but he has stumbled onto some of the concepts that intro geology undergrads are introduced to.

His math is still missing and clearly it is not a fully-formed concept.

My flood concepts are always a work in progress.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If it's so clear, why do you need to spend money learning what the earth is telling you?

Has not the earth been a very demanding 'god' for heathen and pagan cultures for thousands of years ?

Perhaps it is true (not right, but true): the more a false god demands of its adherents, the more they become devoted to it ?

 

[AV1611VET]

By all means, do feel free to Pray for the metals that make your phone work,

One of my first ever threads here:

I have found both the MISSING LINK and ABIOGENESIS!

... but don't expect God to create a phone for you ex nihilo.

Ex nihilo?

I know better than that.

He stopped creating ex nihilo after six days.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his [ex nihilo] work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The universe started out at a mass/energy level of zero; and in six days God raised it to its current level today.