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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Stranger, do you mistake perhaps being defiled by a system with making full use of one for one's own purposes?

Though these two bes not always mutually exclusive, neither bes they always manifest as siamese twins so to speak.

More later.

 

[stranger]

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Not entirely certain any proposed "destruction" bes complete here. It sees Laodicea alive and well in Malkuth and in Hod the solid shining beams of Philadelphia burn bright, albeit dimmed in the nethers of Yesod and nearly absent in 3d where them corporeals have their haunts.
Oh yessss ... oh yesss .... mmmmmmmm

That is not so certain to me because of this :-

Jeremiah 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

and this :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Also the statements of Y'shua and Peter about the strange task set for the saints of God in THIS life :-

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

--- one cannot do this unless one leads a lone wandering life because the House of Israel is scattered just as widely as the Jews amongst all nations, and there are but some two thousand saints alive at any one time... [Rev 7: 3-8] in this earth ...

Now I am not saying that there are not Jewish saints , only that they are less than half Jews ... under a thousand then at any one time and scattered worldwide ...

How can you fit that with Kabbalah?

No, actually, they bes not all that. Many are deeply sincere persons of true and noble principle seeking a path of personal responsibility and volitional adepthood. (Yes, the irony bes not lost here, that one such as this were ever deeply immersed in such an atmosphere, let alone what drave it there!)

Did it not notice that sincerity and 'light' is one of the tools of the Satan? :-

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The power they seek is not power over others, but mastery of themselves, and through such mastery, of the course of mankind such that it might achieve likewise, even as the Laws of Spiritual Replication dictate (a corn of wheat falling into the ground and all that).

I have seen it written so, yet why then would they enslave a tail of minions and create rites and mystery and ... this is Leviathan, not Behemoth...

They seek not to "extract" the truth but to determine it as scientifically as possible within the realm of the spirit and of what might be termed, for lack of better human words, "systems of faith" (a kinder, gentler word for "religions", those peculiar constructs half god, half beast, and all man).

The truth it will be seeing soon if this one will show it , is GIVEN , not taken by science or even by meditation :-

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

...One cannot divine the truth of God , one cannot fake it, one cannot manufacture it ... it is given now only to the few God requires as priests and kings in His kingdom, and He has said who they are...

Later it is given to ALL [Joel 2:28],but not in this world...

Stranger, someone feedsy you bad misinformation, Brother; else how other might you come to give the label "control" to the truth of LIBERATION???

Rev 13:3-8 ... see the dragon ALL men come to worship ... how many escape ? Just the few saints God creates by His new covenant with those whose fathers broke the old covenant Heb 8:8-9

Thus one should be careful what one sees as 'truth of liberation' because the false christ ['antichristos' ] is in place of Christ [Messiah] CLAIMING a false 'gospel' of reconciliation of the many in this earth... and fooling the whole world...

Do not believe this one, but read the saints and decide if they be true or not ...

(Oh dear, it has suddenly occurred to this one that its foregoing words might be wrongfully perceived as "promoting" another faith or tradition whats not Christian. It needs stating here and now that bes not its intent nor its aim. It simply seeks answering Stranger's questions. So please so not be afeared or concerned.)

Hmmm... this one is an outcast... my pointing at scripture is not received by any tradition calling itself 'christian' or Jewish ... one will not win any popularity contest with these words [LOL?]

It knows its relationship rather with TzIUN. 156. Identity above enumerates same as identity below

Yes but how is it sure of the identity... who told it so ?

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[stranger]

Stranger, do you mistake perhaps being defiled by a system with making full use of one for one's own purposes?

Though these two bes not always mutually exclusive, neither bes they always manifest as siamese twins so to speak.

More later.

Do you not think that I know God uses all systems for His purpose ?

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

[stranger]

Pause.... a question, for the circle... do you undertsand the broken band around the earth that Red Fox' people speak of ?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Do you not think that I know God uses all systems for His purpose ?

It thinks there bes no cause for becoming hostile and antagonistic in either case. It perceives that something it has said has caused some type of negative flare or reaction within you, but it knows not what.

 

[stranger]

It thinks there bes no cause for becoming hostile and antagonistic in either case. It perceives that something it has said has caused some type of negative flare or reaction within you, but it knows not what.

No my friend, not at all, no offence , just briefly startled ,I guess ,that you had not noticed that as yet...

This one honoured to have someone to talk to in its loneliness who understands of what it is saying , taken aback often when people haven't seen things written in the open ... yet that is where God hides them of course... my words of a moment and I am sorry ... just a hasty unreviewed tired reaction written in haste last thing at night before sleep... needs must more careful words, sorry, no pain intended

 

[stranger]

It has, and it does, and it finds not that the false preaches the truth but rather that the false preaches a falsehood against the truth, turning men both against it and against one another through the agencies of religion and the Pharisaic attitude and all errors appurtenant thereunto and all toxicities of soteriology whats ultimately denies the pure revelation of the Cross and Him upon it.

Yes the false preached as the truth to billions , but for God's purpose in snaring the beloved prodigal son in his blasphemy ... it is not to be taken personally , it is not against men, but for men :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

the true children of God what stands fast in liberty and refuses to be entangled again in the yoke of bondage.

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Not all Jews but all of Israel , but not the whole of Israel first...
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[/quote] Who told you the name of the face in the mirror?[/quote]

This one sees no face in the mirror , nor any name except the One whose name is not to be taken in vain , who alone sees this one and gives it an empty name for His purpose... this one knows not its name lest it might lose it in the way any it had, and die ... but He knows its name

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Can the self know anything before it is One and is no longer the self ?

Does it know or does it think it knows for His sake ? this is what the scripture answers ... do not read ,anyone who cannot take the pain of knowing this, nor let it drive one into denial as a stumblingstone :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Does one do this of oneself, or will God say WHEN ? :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God:

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Men sadly are still not attending to ceasing from all war and living in equality and peace with sharing , and even worse have destroyed so much of nature already that she may not be able to recover...

The call should thus be for ALL men to unite in peace and equality , else even the enduring witness of these crimes against humanity will be in vain, because man cannot live without nature feeding us ...

What point many Americans giving thanks to God for the slaughter of other races which gave them power to abuse those who survived...

Would God listen to this and be pleased as they feed greedily off the land they still rape and destroy ,but now with machines and chemicals and GM crops , and celebrate the 'progress' ?

Mankind has nearly killed the earth and we now now we are close to shed point where there is no means to prevent the slow end of mankind because nature does not work when its species are destroyed as we are doing and have done

These people have died in vain if we have not learned the lesson. the greatest tribute we can pay them is to learn it and spread it to all men before we all are committed to slow starvation in this already-crippled world.
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I agree. God cannot agree with this violence and hatred. If we seek His face; I know He must have a plan.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

..... for God's purpose in snaring the beloved prodigal son in his blasphemy ... it is not to be taken personally , it is not against men, but for men

Tellsy plainly what you have seen in this regard. For this one has lived those moments.

 

[4Everloved]

Moriah, I'm not sure, but I think in that quote that Stranger is speaking of the great sacrifice God made my giving his own son. And God's son willingly was hung upon a cross for doing nothing wrong and doing everything right. He never sinned, yet he took our sins upon him as he suffered upon the cross. Ppl mocked him and called him "King of the Jews" and still Jesus forgave them (and us); He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing."

And now through Jesus the Son we have grace, forgiveness, life, and eternal life.

I must add this: I am a SINNER saved by GRACE. I do not belong upon this earth. It is not my world. My world is yet to come and I look forward to it more than anything else. Here in this world there is much turmoil, violence, and suffering.

I have been like you; methinks , Moriah. I remember searching everywhere. I remember too that as much as I protested, I felt cold and alone inside. I wonder if you are lonely. If you are lonely as I was, I know you could use some friends, and I would like to be one of your friends. Thanks for considering what I say.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

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[4Everloved]

Jesus IS Lord.

 

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that does not change the veracity of its statements. but since it bes not welcome here, it will take itself elsewhere.
walk with virtue, outlanders.

 

[stranger]

I agree. God cannot agree with this violence and hatred. If we seek His face; I know He must have a plan.

Thank you for these fine questions , ay I ask did you ask Him them yet?

His plan is written from th beginning if you are given the will to hear it , bear the pain of knowing it :-

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

IT is explained in more deatil in 2Thess 2, Ezek 28, Isaiah 14...

We cannot not seek His face eventually for no other way than love works , we eventually see that our pain is caused by our unlovingness [sin] , and nothing matters to us but to be with Him through love...

Thus He must blind us first else we should run straight to Him and not do his will in this earth, to know the ways which are not His and so aprreciate Him through knowing, not through Him

In fact if we seek Him toos soon as I have tried to do in my foolishness He simply says no , and may kill us to slow us down until the second resurrection, or worse just warn us with severe pain to come back and wait ,for He has a purpose for all whom He allows life in this world ...

This shepherd cannot lose any , as men claim He can in blasphemy of belief in religion, this shepherd has a 'reputation' to look to ...

Do you really want to see , because knowing is pain until one perfect it and loves perfectly as He ... and the pain is that one cannot do this of oneself ... one must wait apart from Him for His pleasure, His purpose ...

Psalms 149:4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

 

[stranger]

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Moriah, I'm not sure, but I think in that quote that Stranger is speaking of the great sacrifice God made my giving his own son. And God's son willingly was hung upon a cross for doing nothing wrong and doing everything right.

Dearly loved member of the circle....

Not one of your better guesses in life perhaps, but a valid question

I think you may have gained these words from sinners, rather learn directly from the saints, not the hearsay of sinners but only if you want the truth and not soothsayings for you pain

God sent His beloved cherub in form of a man to show men the way of peace they most will not choose in this life to bear witness and cause the fire within

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Ezekiel 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

Ezekiel 41:19 So that the face of a man was toward the palm tree on the one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side: it was made through all the house round about.

He never sinned, yet he took our sins upon him as he suffered upon the cross. Ppl mocked him and called him "King of the Jews" and still Jesus forgave them (and us); He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing."

'Jesus' came to show men that God bears all cause for creation of sin for His purpose

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

He said nothing about saving all men now , but came only to do the will of the Father which he stated, do you believe him ?

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

And now through Jesus the Son we have grace, forgiveness, life, and eternal life.

I think you should read the new covenant of grace and see who that it is with , those whose fathers broke the old covenant with Israel! [Heb 8:8-9]

The truth then to be read in the words before telling people what they say , if one is not to spread hearsay of sinners ... if one likes soothsayings of sinners then spread them among those who like them too , there are many here on this very site , no problem finding them , but the words of God are not negotiable in the way sinners teach them, they will stand, the soothsayings will fail and leave men gnashing their teeth without cause to do so ...except that they were lied to of course ...

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I must add this: I am a SINNER saved by GRACE.

You should check out that you were told this by a sinner , not a saint , the very foundation of God is to depart from sin, not to continue in it ...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Do you believe 'Jesus'? Can you bear his truth? If you do then believe what he will say at his return to those who have been deluded in this life :-Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I do not belong upon this earth.

Nor any of us in our deepest hearts , else we might want to stay until its end [LOL?] But do not forget that we are here at god's pleasure, not our own... one might just as well rejoice in that for it is great comfort and peace, and there is enough pain and suffering to bear without making more ..

It is not my world. My world is yet to come and I look forward to it more than anything else. Here in this world there is much turmoil, violence, and suffering.

What can one say, "you ain't seen nuffin; yet!" ? Read about the wrath of the lamb , the lamb with the face of a lion ?

I have been like you; methinks , Moriah. I remember searching everywhere. I remember too that as much as I protested, I felt cold and alone inside.

It is a good place to be alone with God in our mourning for being with Him in spirit , one can learn much

I wonder if you are lonely. If you are lonely as I was, I know you could use some friends, and I would like to be one of your friends. Thanks for considering what I say.

T'would be a good move for us all to love even our 'enemies' ,but sadly or gladly it is nevertheless not to be so yet in God's written plan... your patience might be aided in waiting by reading it for yourself and talking it through with Him alone in quiet, listening, not talking or thinking... but only if you can face the pain of knowing what He says , if it is not greater than your pain in being here ?... . [!?] [/FONT]

 

[stranger]

Jesus IS Lord.

Think about this a little more perhaps ?

Is a lord someone one obeys?

What did Jesus command but love?

Is sin the opposite of Love?

Is Jesus the lord of sinners then?

Or only of those whose trial in this life is as saints?

Was a saint a sinner before giving up sin?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[stranger]

that does not change the veracity of its statements. but since it bes not welcome here, it will take itself elsewhere.
walk with virtue, outlanders.

It bes necessary to bear the pain of trial by sinners Moriah , please let us talk more, if you prefer then use PM for a while:-

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

Do not be so disappointed at mistakes , there are many, they abound in this world... the pain only gets worse if one runs away from the trials , and they are only there for our learning to love .... be with us and share the pain, for we all have it and it manifests some strange ways in many folks... you have simply come by a different path and there is thus much to share and some things to unravel... come back when you see we mean you o harm despite the pain , we all must have it , we all must bear it before we are accepted...

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

With all due respect sir you do not seem interested in talking with daimonizomai. It seems you bes interested in opposing this one, seeking to undermine its truths and reinforce its terrors, or redefine it as something it bes not, and it has no interest in such games at the moment. It has its own things to attend and best not bes bringsy them here, for they be dark things indeed whats owning this one, and moreso especially this day. Under such conditions it has no method of determining the cause of such things -- whether issuing from 3d world and its denizens or from its own mind confusing things or from the Abyss -- it knows only it perceives harm intended and it flees.

Not before shrouding itself of course.

Besides the which, the feral has no place in a place of peace. It bes sure to bring trouble soon enough if it stays, for its nature bes chaotic and volatile.

 

[stranger]

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With all due respect sir you do not seem interested in talking with daimonizomai. It seems you bes interested in opposing this one, seeking to undermine its truths and reinforce its terrors, or redefine it as something it bes not, and it has no interest in such games at the moment. It has its own things to attend and best not bes bringsy them here, for they be dark things indeed whats owning this one, and moreso especially this day. Under such conditions it has no method of determining the cause of such things -- whether issuing from 3d world and its denizens or from its own mind confusing things or from the Abyss -- it knows only it perceives harm intended and it flees.

Not before shrouding itself of course.

Besides the which, the feral has no place in a place of peace. It bes sure to bring trouble soon enough if it stays, for its nature bes chaotic and volatile.

All these things I know , and believe that you know that I know them, and it was my mistake to invite you here in public so soon, I did not act when my instinct told me these words were not for open forum... again I apologise for the incredible pain my stupidity caused... so please , if it be possible, let us continue by PM or e-mail as I long to discuss many things with you

You know as well as I that the reconciliation MUST come ... please do not be put off our sharing what each knows that the other does not because of an oxymoron wielding falsehoods it learned in school ...

We know how much pain we must both bear in this , we know there are unknowns... the pain will be worse for both of us should we run away and hide [yet again]

talk with me please, we have so much to talk about and the door you have almost closed... you will not let me follow , I know , though I would if I could... not to threaten, but to share the pain and lessen it for both of us eventually...

Do not be so easily distravted by the foolish chants of abuse of those [many] who do not know even the scripture of God, but mess with it ... I am so sorry to have brought you out in the open forum too soon for you to bear them... and they clearly are not yet ready to talk with you

Can this not be a beginning to the reconciliation, can we not bear that much pain , we two alone if necessary ?

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