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[FaithfulWife]

First you must tell from whence you derived that translation. Because now you have intrigued this one. Tellsy. Obviously the root varlocht and the ubiquitous n'iocht bes not unfamiliar to you then?

Not tellsy!! But in a playful way, not in a meanie or bullie way. I will say that the closest thing I can think of to describe it is "intuition"

You seem to mistake choramos for kharitheom though. Or chorethioum -- see, this bes why it loathes this limited alphabet from them humans.
The excruciating agony can be mute or can be soundwaved. Each has its own flavour but the mute form bes considered gourmet cuisine, so to speak.

I see that mistake. "Choramos" is with chronology and the heart (not muscle but place of being and feelings) so like a time-heart. "Kharitheom or chorethioum" is the deep soul weeping. Thank you for making that clearer.

"Servant" you miss entirely though. We have other words for that, depending on the type of servant, the level of servitude, the importance of its keeping, the abject horror of its chains.

Please help correct me. I took this one to be like "bound to with inescapable chains" but not in an honored servant kind of way--serving out of love and willingness. The deep darkness is attached.

Interested. How would you translate the following:
orch n'iectosch i'entoch varlen

(keeping in mind it employs motto-level rhythm in this instance)

I will take some time and dwell on it--put it in the back of my mind and let it be back there until it comes to me. I'll write back when it comes.

and what name would you give Our language--? We asks so as to know the source of your information.

Being able to only reply to you in public, I will say that I have no "name" for the language other than "the old language" or I don't know--the way it was spoken a very, VERY long time ago. Hmmmm... good question and I will consider it.

Names are very important, so I want to dwell on that a bit as well. I'd like to think that maybe one day I would share my name with you.

 

[FaithfulWife]

I was asked to provide more information for Thanksgiving - A Day of Mourning for Native Americans. So, here are many links to help educate non-natives about why many Native Americans, like myself, do not approve of this holiday. These links are for sharing and for teaching, and are given in the spirit of love and of peace. I am not providing these links to cause strife or debate. I am providing them because I was asked to, and because I think it is important for these issues to be discussed openly and respectfully.

Please remember that I provide these links in the spirit of love and of peace.

Red Fox

Dear little Red Fox,

Thank you for sharing this! I did take a moment to read each one, and I have to admit I have learned a lot. I would love to discuss this a little more.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Not tellsy!! But in a playful way, not in a meanie or bullie way. I will say that the closest thing I can think of to describe it is "intuition"

Tellsy.

I see that mistake. "Choramos" is with chronology and the heart (not muscle but place of being and feelings) so like a time-heart. "Kharitheom or chorethioum" is the deep soul weeping. Thank you for making that clearer.

Has also written it as co'eramos and of course co'eromani'ae bes derived therefrom.

Please help correct me. I took this one to be like "bound to with inescapable chains" but not in an honored servant kind of way--serving out of love and willingness. The deep darkness is attached.

In a tongue used to express many layers at once, many levels of nuance and perception, the ubiquitous n'iocht stands out surpassing others for containment. n'iocht bes place. n'iocht bes condition. n'iocht bes essence inside. n'iocht bes covering. n'iocht bes
n'iocht what inside risey
n'iocht what swallowsy whole
n'iocht what bindsy keepsy
n'iocht what takesy control

Being able to only reply to you in public, I will say that I have no "name" for the language other than "the old language" or I don't know--the way it was spoken a very, VERY long time ago. Hmmmm... good question and I will consider it.

Commonly it callsy something specific for ease of reference among them what knowsy, but this casual term bes not for mixed company with unfamiliars whats may turn the mind at it.

Names are very important, so I want to dwell on that a bit as well. I'd like to think that maybe one day I would share my name with you.

We of course have many Names. But only certain ones bes most important.

 

[FaithfulWife]

We of course have many Names. But only certain ones bes most important.

Precisely! My name on here is FaithfulWife because I use it to designate that I choose to be a wife to my dear hubby and I choose to faithful to him...faithfulness on many levels.

On other forums I am Myrtlewood and Sandalwood--fragrances that I enjoy because they are natural and seem to go with me, made of woods that I admire and find quite beautiful.

In Hebrew I chose the name Rachel Ruth (which of course is the "English" spelling and does not really resemble the way Hebrew looks at all), but I chose that name after I studied Torah and had attained a certain level of study... I chose those names because Rachel, in the Old Testament/Torah was a dearly beloved wife for whom Jacob worked for 14 years--it means "lovely" in Hebrew. She had trouble conceiving at first, while her sister popped out babies left and right--yet she remained the favored wife and did eventually have children of her own. I chose Ruth because, in the Old Testament/Torah, she was a Gentile and chose to marry a Jewish man. She honored him as her husband and when he died, she could have chosen to return to her former home and parents yet instead she made the choice to stay and continue following what she had learned of Judaism. I selected those names on purpose because I could identify with those women -- but it is not MY name.

I'm still intrigued. You are a most interesting person and I will say that I can't yet say what to make of you.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

It seesy you have Calvinist icon, but you say you studied Torah? And married a Jewish fella? Interesting.

You need not make anything of this one. It bes not your job anyway. But anything you seeksy the knowing, feel free to ask. It may not always answer ,but you may ask with impunity.

 

[FaithfulWife]

Just so you know, I'm honored that you will let me ask. I'll do my best to ask wisely and to only ask when I am truly seeking.

My life is really odd. I did "the search of God" before Capt. Kirk did --and I did try every arena. I am not sure if it will be well taken here, but in my search I didn't look in only the "light" places because at the time I thought I could learn about light by studying darkness. I studied Greek to read the real word, studied most denominations, studied several religions (like buddhism and taoism), and learned what I could of paganism for years. I never considered Judaism, until I met the man who would be my first husband, and while we were together, I studied Hebrew and every aspect of Judaism, including looking at kabbalah--so that at least I am not UNFAMILIAR. I'm sure you can understand what I mean when I say that there were many, MANY things that I learned about, several of which I keep in my own mind and heart.

My Jewish husband left me, and after some years, I met my current dear hubby. At this time I choose to live a life of peace and parenthood with him--we still have 3 more children to raise! At this time I have made the decision to attend a Calvinist church with my dear hubby. So far we are raising our children in that tradition but since they are part Choctaw, I want them to know that side of themselves too. And my learning does not cease--and thus I have questions.

Thank you for the discussion. I offer you my friendship.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Friendship accepted and offered back in return.

Background info good to know.
This one studied Kabbalah for some time, Western flavoured of course, in tandem with Hermeticism, etc. the whole Western oeuvre of CM basically. Did Thelema/OTO for many years and that keepsy "sane" because its natural leanings very dark & chaotic from long time back when They first takesy. (Very important to this one that ppls know OTO bes NOT the Big Bad Evil Thing Responsible for "Deep Dark Enslavements" and whatnot. Well at least not to this one's knowledge...perceives it quite the opposite...) Worked within that framework/paradigm as a qadesha, among other things (teacher, prophet, initiatrix, priestess, ritual production artist, impromptu orgy hostess, etc.) But it getsy disenchanted with the Order in the early 2000s after some 15 years therein--too much social compromise to curry favor with the State, lost its edge, compromised its own sacred texts in this one's opinion, among other personal issues going on at the time --so it drops out....

Of course it has acquaintance with Buddhism, Taoism, and other paths -- not so much as would call it having STUDIED them to any extent but done enough reading & poking about to be acquainted with the general flow and basic understanding of most.

So out of all what you mention you chose Calvinism? Does not mean to be rude but that just seems so unlikely ... LOL.

 

[stranger]

Pardon the intrusion, a question...

Is the 'amicitia' of OTO the eventual uniting friendship of the two covering cherubs at the throne, or does it not yet know of this ...?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Stranger,

"Amicitia" bes a term employed by a specific organization known as UR-OTO or the United Rites. There are several organizations using the initials OTO and claiming to be the true lineage from Aleister Crowley, etc. and this has caused some ruckus and a few lawsuits for copyrights and other such unpleasant things. There bes also the S-OTO (Societas OTO), the T-OTO (Typhonian OTO, Kenneth Grant's lodges) and others besides, probably even some this one bes never heard of before. "Amicitia" basically refers to bringing together the different organizations all claiming to be OTO in some kind of bond of mutual recognition so as to end what bes perceived (wrongfully) by other groups as "one true OTO dictatorship" by the one group which in actuality BES the true lineage and thus legally and rightfully in position to claim such.

The fact of the matter remains, however, that the OTO which has come to be known (sometimes disparaginginly from the sour grapes contingent) as the "Caliphate" OTO, bes the true lineage from Crowley and the others bes rogue organizations what sprung up seeking to usurp claim to the tradition. So basically the situation bes a kind of an occult "apostolic succession" conflict between various groups, much of which bes a nuisance and embarassment to have to deal with for members of the genuine OTO to have these other groups demanding heritage legitimacy they do not truly possess and doing so on the basis of tolerance and the principles of liberalism which bes close to many Thelemites' hearts. The rogue group calling itself UR-OTO proposed this term "amicitia" as a resolution what would basically permit perception of some legitimacy of heritage where none truly exists.

This one's time with OTO was spent in the Caliphate OTO, of course. It would never have settled for any less than the real deal. It also study some of the Typhonian material and respected that particular group in its own right; of course the Typhonians have always considered themselves a separate organization, focused upon their own specific revelations and operations (the bulk of which lies within the current come to be termed "Maatian") and never tried to usurp the heritage of the Caliphate (as far as it knows). As for these other rogue groups, most of them bes just silly, what's left over silly, stupid, very corporealish spats and wanting to play king of the hill in their own little worlds.

 

[stranger]

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Stranger,

"Amicitia" bes a term employed by a specific organization known as UR-OTO or the United Rites. There are several organizations using the initials OTO and claiming to be the true lineage from Aleister Crowley, etc. and this has caused some ruckus and a few lawsuits for copyrights and other such unpleasant things. There bes also the S-OTO (Societas OTO), the T-OTO (Typhonian OTO, Kenneth Grant's lodges) and others besides, probably even some this one bes never heard of before. "Amicitia" basically refers to bringing together the different organizations all claiming to be OTO in some kind of bond of mutual recognition so as to end what bes perceived (wrongfully) by other groups as "one true OTO dictatorship" by the one group which in actuality BES the true lineage and thus legally and rightfully in position to claim such.

The fact of the matter remains, however, that the OTO which has come to be known (sometimes disparaginginly from the sour grapes contingent) as the "Caliphate" OTO, bes the true lineage from Crowley and the others bes rogue organizations what sprung up seeking to usurp claim to the tradition. So basically the situation bes a kind of an occult "apostolic succession" conflict between various groups, much of which bes a nuisance and embarassment to have to deal with for members of the genuine OTO to have these other groups demanding heritage legitimacy they do not truly possess and doing so on the basis of tolerance and the principles of liberalism which bes close to many Thelemites' hearts. The rogue group calling itself UR-OTO proposed this term "amicitia" as a resolution what would basically permit perception of some legitimacy of heritage where none truly exists.

This one's time with OTO was spent in the Caliphate OTO, of course. It would never have settled for any less than the real deal. It also study some of the Typhonian material and respected that particular group in its own right; of course the Typhonians have always considered themselves a separate organization, focused upon their own specific revelations and operations (the bulk of which lies within the current come to be termed "Maatian") and never tried to usurp the heritage of the Caliphate (as far as it knows). As for these other rogue groups, most of them bes just silly, what's left over silly, stupid, very corporealish spats and wanting to play king of the hill in their own little worlds.

That is indeed either boring , amusing or very interesting , whichever way one looks at it .... and thanks indeed for sharing this history of empty struggles for power of foolish men which few have witness of perhaps ...

It seems comparable to the equally boring, amusing of interesting absurd struggle for power over men's beliefs in apostate 'christianity' of this world under the Satan ...

But very few in 'christianity' know of the eventual union of the two cherubs ... some very few Jews do of course, and some few who think themselves gentiles ... so do you know if anyone within Calipahte OTO knows of this ? Else their 'religion' would seem to be as lost in direction as most people on this earth

The reason that I ask is the symbology used by UR-OTO, symbol on :-
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Ezekiel 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

The face of a man of the two covering cherubs being the manifestation of Jesus/Y'shua Messiah of Israel and of the 'Satan'

I would also like sometime to compare what deep sayings you have come to understand with my understandings of the sayings of the prophets in the scriptures if you are interested , and insofar as it is even possible to discuss any such things by any means .

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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Oh, Merkabah mysticism bes found all over in the Enochian tradition and many western CMs do Enochian at some point or another, whether they merely dabble in it or embrace it fully as their primary Operating System.

It bes always open to discussion of the Ultimate Reconciliation. To answer your question, yes, some within the Caliphate know about this. There are portions of certain initiation rites what could be regarded as hinting toward it--whether or not they bes intended to do so bes another matter entirely. You see, as a Thelemic order, the OTO (at its best anyway) steadfastly and assiduously avoids dogmatism, encouraging individuals instead to do their own spiritual work and find their own meaning, and allow the Royal Art to unfold from inside them.

 

[stranger]

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"Since 1970, Native Americans have gathered at noon on Cole's Hill in Plymouth to commemorate a National Day of Mourning on the US Thanksgiving holiday. Many Native Americans do not celebrate the arrival of the Pilgrims and other European settlers. To them, Thanksgiving Day is a reminder of the genocide of millions of their people, the theft of their lands, and the relentless assault on their culture. Participants in a National Day of Mourning honor Native ancestors and the struggles of Native peoples to survive today. It is a day of remembrance and spiritual connection as well as a protest of the racism and oppression which Native Americans continue to experience."

Men sadly are still not attending to ceasing from all war and living in equality and peace with sharing , and even worse have destroyed so much of nature already that she may not be able to recover...

The call should thus be for ALL men to unite in peace and equality , else even the enduring witness of these crimes against humanity will be in vain, because man cannot live without nature feeding us ...

What point many Americans giving thanks to God for the slaughter of other races which gave them power to abuse those who survived...

Would God listen to this and be pleased as they feed greedily off the land they still rape and destroy ,but now with machines and chemicals and GM crops , and celebrate the 'progress' ?

Mankind has nearly killed the earth and we now now we are close to shed point where there is no means to prevent the slow end of mankind because nature does not work when its species are destroyed as we are doing and have done

These people have died in vain if we have not learned the lesson. the greatest tribute we can pay them is to learn it and spread it to all men before we all are committed to slow starvation in this already-crippled world.
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[stranger]

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There are portions of certain initiation rites what could be regarded as hinting toward it--whether or not they bes intended to do so bes another matter entirely.

.. yes I understand what you mean

You see, as a Thelemic order, the OTO (at its best anyway) steadfastly and assiduously avoids dogmatism, encouraging individuals instead to do their own spiritual work and find their own meaning, and allow the Royal Art to unfold from inside them.

That is very interesting since almost all 'religion' in it countless flavours is closed [dead]

but since the destruction of the seven churches of God [which have never re-convened as congregations of saints] there seems no basis for more than two to gather in the name of Y'shua , and certainly there was no hierarchy at any time in the congregation of God , it was and is based upon equality and sharing , and it's mission never was proselytisation [since God is eminently capable of that Himself] ...

so are they not in OTO all merely 'copycats' who have gone astray into using hierarchical power over as many of the masses as come under their sway? And worse , think that they can somehow extract the truth from God [or indeed some other , as seems often implied , but I am not sure if it is generally true]

My point then is that the aim to control men of this world, and the method, are those of the Satan, not of Y'shua ... how do they reconcile that with any claim of open method in 'research' ?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As for the reconciliation , do you know your relationship with Israel ?

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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Men sadly are still not attending to ceasing from all war and living in equality and peace with sharing , and even worse have destroyed so much of nature already that she may not be able to recover...

The call should thus be for ALL men to unite in peace and equality , else even the enduring witness of these crimes against humanity will be in vain, because man cannot live without nature feeding us ...

What point many Americans giving thanks to God for the slaughter of other races which gave them power to abuse those who survived...

Would God listen to this and be pleased as they feed greedily off the land they still rape and destroy ,but now with machines and chemicals and GM crops , and celebrate the 'progress' ?

Mankind has nearly killed the earth and we now now we are close to shed point where there is no means to prevent the slow end of mankind because nature does not work when its species are destroyed as we are doing and have done

These people have died in vain if we have not learned the lesson. the greatest tribute we can pay them is to learn it and spread it to all men before we all are committed to slow starvation in this already-crippled world.
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What bes amazing still bes at this juncture in human history it seems to best of its knowledge there bes not a single race, tribe, kindred, tongue or people whats not, at some point in its time, been in bondage, subject to cruel tyrannies, victims of war and the greed and exploitation of other nations, etc. and yet we continue having these problems and issues on a recurring basis.

At the risk of sounding UBER-new-agey and utterly flakey, could it really be so simple a matter as utilizing the power and formula of LOVE and FORGIVENESS to simply STOP THE CYCLE?

(An examination of abuse and dysfunctional cycles and their recurrence generationally would be a worthwhile pursuit for anyone who does not immediately comprehend the meaning of Moriah's previous two paragraphs.)

 

[stranger]

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LeeD decides to take away its safe place. LeeD decides to turn it out into the cold and make of it an exile. The poor and needy in spirit knocked at his door and he chose the frothing vicious rabble above them and turned them away. For other matters directly impacting the entire membership he firmly placed his foot down allowing no protest to reach him, yet for them what's in need he shrinks back and refusey doing likewise even though ONLY the afflicted would be served and no one else adversely impacted had he done so. We therefore have utterly no hope and no confidence whatsoever in being heard by him.

You may well be right , since the right-wing dogmatic sinnerchristians [oxymorons] control this site as well as any hierarchy ... neither have I any reply from LeeD ,despite campaigning with all my friends to PM him too

[bible]John 17:21-26[/bible][/quote]

Note John 17:6 ... which thou gavest me out of the world:...

John is quoting Y'shua talking to the saints of Israel , not people in general

Did you understand this when you asked it as a prayer ?





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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

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[stranger]

At the risk of sounding UBER-new-agey and utterly flakey, could it really be so simple a matter as utilizing the power and formula of LOVE and FORGIVENESS to simply STOP THE CYCLE?

I'm sure that you know that is the answer ... except that it doesn't happen in this world for the many

Yet the Sower reaps even that which he did not sow :-

Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

Matthew 11:12 [REB] But, from the days of John the Immerser, until even now, the kingdom of the heavens, is being invaded, and, invaders, are, seizing upon it.

You likely know what sort of strength is involved here if one is to enter the kingdom this side of death without the comforter [John 16:13] ... and the knowledge to defeat the Satan in essentially unlimited temptation...

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Note John 17:6 ... which thou gavest me out of the world:...

John is quoting Y'shua talking to the saints of Israel , not people in general

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It understands that the Father whom Yshua addresses gave to Him the entire world and all that in it bes. Seen and unseen, in every dimension what intersects perceptibly.

It has no interest in anything less.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm sure that you know that is the answer ... except that it doesn't happen in this world for the many

Yet the Sower reaps even that which he did not sow :-

Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

Matthew 11:12 [REB] But, from the days of John the Immerser, until even now, the kingdom of the heavens, is being invaded, and, invaders, are, seizing upon it.

You likely know what sort of strength is involved here if one is to enter the kingdom this side of death without the comforter [John 16:13] ... and the knowledge to defeat the Satan in essentially unlimited temptation...

Your words excite this one immeasurably. Please, keep sharing. And ... come closer ....

 

[stranger]

It understands that the Father whom Yshua addresses gave to Him the entire world and all that in it bes. Seen and unseen, in every dimension what intersects perceptibly.

It has no interest in anything less.

Yes I understood that from our beginning meet ... here it be:-

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

But perhaps it is that you did not yet understand this :-

Romans 6:7 For, he that hath died, hath become righteously acquitted from his sin.

This one is an outcast, follows no man, no church, no organisation, no society, no civilisation, no country ... because if one did , even if that were Israel , there would be no hope this side of death

[And the pain you know so no need to talk of that much ]

Do you see what this says for the few [Matt 7:14] , that they belong to no-one , no system ?

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

But there is no need to be first through this [Heb 8:8-12, Jer 31:31-34] for grace is for the few ...

death is the wages of sin for temany, but they too are reconciled [Rev 7:9-10]

It should not believe the oxmorons either then ... else it seeks to be reconciled with them after death ...after the second resurrection in the new earth

Was the teaching then of God or of men , for :-

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

It matters then if one must be first or will be second [or third with the Satan and Leviathan ...]