My Raisin Bread Challenge

[Lost4words]

Marrow bone bread is yummy!!!!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

So when Jesus fed the 5000, was that an act of deception? or a miracle?

Neither.

 

[durangodawood]

God creates a loaf of nice warm raisin bread in an instant.

Is that an act of deception, since:

1. it's warm
2. it has dried grapes

Note: This challenge is my second favorite challenge I've ever made here.

Like my Apple Challenge, which shows an act of creatio ex materia leaves no evidence behind; this challenge shows how an act of creation with embedded age (maturity without history) can't be considered deceptive.

No. Not deception.

This is because raisin bread is supposed to be warm and have raisins in it.

 

[Yttrium]

You don't consider it deceptive that there was no baking required? No raising of the dough? No milling of flour, no growing the wheat to mill? No drying of grapes?

I have a bridge you may be interested in buying....

It's raisin bread. It has to have the structure, appearance and taste of those things, or it wouldn't be raisin bread.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It's raisin bread. It has to have the structure, appearance and taste of those things, or it wouldn't be raisin bread.

No argument there. But you're missing all the rest of what I asked, and which is the nub of AV's apparent challenge.

 

[Yttrium]

No argument there. But you're missing all the rest of what I asked, and which is the nub of AV's apparent challenge.

Yeah, I'm not grasping your point.

 

[AV1611VET]

Marrow bone bread is yummy!!!!

Ewww!

 

[SelfSim]

Lies of omission are still lies.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, I'm not grasping your point.

Bear is trying to feature creep my challenge beyond his level of understanding.

 

[SelfSim]

Bear is trying to feature creep my challenge beyond his level of understanding.

More like beyond your own understanding of the impact undisclosed features make in truth.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Yeah, I'm not grasping your point.

Really? If I give you a warm cake do you assume it just poofed into existence there and then, fully formed? Or do you think it has been cooking un an oven for 1/2 hour, before which it was perhaps rising in a warm cupboard for a while? Did I make a dough using flour, and if so when was the flour milled? Where did the wheat come from to make the flour? Did I grow grapes and dry them for several days, or did the grapes just poof into existence in the bread?

All of those things are ignored in AV's OP, but you don't consider it to be deceptive to pretend they happened when they never did?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Bear is trying to feature creep my challenge beyond his level of understanding.

No, I'm simply pointing out just how much deception is involved in your supposedly non-deceptive bread poofing "challenge".

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I'm simply pointing out just how much deception is involved in your supposedly non-deceptive bread poofing "challenge".

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Yttrium]

Really? If I give you a warm cake do you assume it just poofed into existence there and then, fully formed? Or do you think it has been cooking un an oven for 1/2 hour, before which it was perhaps rising in a warm cupboard for a while? Did I make a dough using flour, and if so when was the flour milled? Where did the wheat come from to make the flour? Did I grow grapes and dry them for several days, or did the grapes just poof into existence in the bread?

I don't assume it was poofed into existence. I leave open the unlikely possibilty that it was poofed into existence. I dunno who made it.

I think you're overthinking this.

 

[SelfSim]

'Overthinking' is an opinion based on the assumption of limited thinking.

 

[AV1611VET]

'Overthinking' is an opinion based on the assumption of limited thinking.

Or, as I call it:

Trying hard not to understand and succeeding.

 

[SelfSim]

Or, as I call it:

Trying hard not to understand and succeeding.

That notion assumes an unsupported lack of understanding by its claimant.

Will such assumptions ever be replaced with assumption free, researched support?

 

[SelfSim]

Or, as I call it:

Trying hard not to understand and succeeding.

You embrace limited thinking, eh?

 

[BNR32FAN]

God creates a loaf of nice warm raisin bread in an instant.

Is that an act of deception, since:

1. it's warm
2. it has dried grapes

Note: This challenge is my second favorite challenge I've ever made here.

Like my Apple Challenge, which shows an act of creatio ex materia leaves no evidence behind; this challenge shows how an act of creation with embedded age (maturity without history) can't be considered deceptive.

Yes then God wrote a book telling everyone He made the raisin bread from nothing 6 minutes ago and it took 6 seconds to make it and people call Him a liar because the grapes should’ve taken years to grow and the grain to make the bread should’ve taken months to grow so because of this they say He’s trying to deceive people by making the ingredients appear to be older than they actually are even tho He told them the truth from the very beginning, they just didn’t believe Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

A nazarite according to ot law was not to eat grapes or raisens so the challenge would be obsolete therefore.

But we have freedom in Christ