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My Pumice Challenge

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by AV1611VET, Mar 8, 2014.

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  1. EternalDragon

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    Wrong translation.

    Jeremiah 20:7

    O Lord, You induced me, and I was persuaded;
    You are stronger than I, and have prevailed.
    I am in derision daily;
    Everyone mocks me.
     
  2. PsychoSarah

    PsychoSarah Chaotic Neutral

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    Absolutely: no deity had any involvement with the bible, so anything about it that clashes with reality has nothing to do with how honest or deceptive any deity is.
     
  3. PsychoSarah

    PsychoSarah Chaotic Neutral

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    That is still deceiving. Being persuaded of something that leaves one in derision isn't being truthful. At best you could consider it god warping someone's perceptions, at worst it is outright lying and forcing someone to believe that lie.
     
  4. HitchSlap

    HitchSlap Burn the torch!

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    Depends who ask.
     
  5. Delphiki

    Delphiki Well-Known Member

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    "Hey Abraham... I have a job for you regarding your son.... JUST KIDDING!"

    Do any Christians even read the bible?
     
  6. Chany

    Chany Uncertain Absurdist

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    The parts that are convenient for them. Reading the inconvenient parts (or, rather, reading it as it says) is one of the major reasons I left Christianity.
     
  7. Asvin

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    Do Atheists even read the explanations for stories in the Holy Bible? :D
     
  8. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    no.
     
  9. Chany

    Chany Uncertain Absurdist

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    You claimed that God cannot deceive. The story of Abraham features God deceiving Abraham, meaning that, according to the Bible, God can deceive.
     
  10. HitchSlap

    HitchSlap Burn the torch!

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    Yes, and those are funny too.
     
  11. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Yes, even to the point of reading explanations of the embedded age sort.
     
  12. Delphiki

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    Let's assume for a moment I didn't understand why God deceived Abraham into thinking Isaac was to be a sacrifice... You are missing the point, which I've bolded in the previous sentence for you.
     
  13. Delphiki

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    Ezekiel 14:9

    And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


    Jeremiah 20:7

    O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.


    God doesn't deceive, except when he does. But when it plainly says he does in the bible, there's a convoluted explanation for it, I'm sure. Probably a matter of metaphor or context, am I right? I smugly await a reply.
     
  14. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Embedded deception, presumably. ^_^
     
  15. EternalDragon

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    The word is "induced" and I don't think that verse is speaking about God deceiving anyone. Those whole couple of verses are talking about idol worship and the person that worships an idol coming to the prophet to inquire about God. In that case God will induce the prophet and the person that went to the prophet and INQUIRED will be destroyed.

    Ezekiel 14:7 For anyone of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who separates himself from Me and sets up his idols in his heart and puts before him what causes him to stumble into iniquity, then comes to a prophet to inquire of him concerning Me, I the Lord will answer him by Myself. 8 I will set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people. Then you shall know that I am the Lord. 9 “And if the prophet is induced to speak anything, I the Lord have induced that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.
     
  16. Astrophile

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  17. pgp_protector

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    so the King James 1611 Version got the translation wrong?
     
  18. Delphiki

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    As I said....


    :lol:
     
  19. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Yes. Because the act of creation is not in and of itself a deceptive act -- it's what One does with the creation that matters.
     
  20. selfinflikted

    selfinflikted Under Deck

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    Precisely.
     
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