My Psalm 19:1 challenge

[BL2KTN]

Raqia 100% means a solid vault. It's used that way every single time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That the rock is much much older.

And if God didn't think it was important enough for David, leader of His chosen people, what difference does it make to us?

Indeed -- If the Bible is to be believed, God had a much closer relationship with David than He does with anyone around these days... so what's the diff?

 

[AV1611VET]

And if God didn't think it was important enough for David, leader of His chosen people, what difference does it make to us?

Indeed -- If the Bible is to be believed, God had a much closer relationship with David than He does with anyone around these days... so what's the diff?

Two words: dispensation theology.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Two words: dispensation theology.

One word: excuse.

 

[Kylie]

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Okay, now do you want to try actually ANSWERING my question?

Why does God give us the gifts of reason and intelligence, and then set up the world so that our reason and intelligence leads us to the wrong conclusions?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Two words: dispensation theology.

Dispensationalism

Evaluating Premillennialism

No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture. This feature is its most widely known aspect. Popularized by such best-selling books as Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth, the film The Return,

.........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking. So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place. My own experience bears witness to the truth of what I say.............



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[AV1611VET]

Two words: dispensation theology.

One word: excuse.

So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place.

Of course, none of this applies to Valentino, does it?

He's above all that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Of course, none of this applies to Valentino, does it?

He's above all that.

Considering I've never bought into the "dispensation" nonsense, I'd have to be, wouldn't I?

There are those who wise up after being fooled, and there were those who were never fooled in the first place -- Don't be bitter just because you can't tell the difference.

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering I've never bought into the "dispensation" nonsense, I'd have to be, wouldn't I?

There are those who wise up after being fooled, and there were those who were never fooled in the first place -- Don't be bitter just because you can't tell the difference.

C'mon now ... I'm still standing in awe (with goosebumps) from two other posters who have risen above all this and are so well-adjusted now they just ooze perfection and balance.

 

[TLK Valentine]

C'mon now ... I'm still standing in awe (with goosebumps) from two other posters who have risen above all this and are so well-adjusted now they just ooze perfection and balance.

You still sound bitter.

 

[Heissonear]

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KTS, You have a spirit, you are not just body and soul, with the soul being separated into mind, will, and emotions. God's Spirit made this world, the existence we are in. The Spirit has been working in man since the beginning, to not be just a body and soul person. His intentions were that our spirit would be of predominance, with our soul and body then in subjection and proper balance in how to live.

The Holy Spirit was to always give input and guidance to our spirit, that we could be spiritual and godly in life.

What you are saying is it is normal and right to be soulish. However, we are supposed to be spiritual in how we walk and learn - with our mind not independent but combined to and in subjection to what God teaches us through His Spirit into our spirit. The following Scriptures are examples:



"The [Spiritual] anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things". I John 2:27

"For all who are being lead by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God". Romans 8:14



So far you have been soulish, and have listen to and been taught by other soulish people, people who are dominated by their mind, will, emotions, and five body senses. Soulish people have missed out on what the Spirit teaches, and are not being Spirit led.

That is the error, to be mind dominated; and self and nature taught rather than spirit dominated and taught, with the Holy Spirit leading and teaching us so to balance what we learn from nature.

Again, you skipped this earlier, but God has set up this world without the ability of the soulish, mind dominated people "to find Him". Being soul dominated is not the way!

Hey, I did not Create this world in how it is setup, it His doing. But by His Spirit I'm learning what He has done and what He is up to. Without the Spirit, however, the soulish do not understand many things! They are living and learning without His Anointing, even all the teaching He gives through His Spirit.

So many people do not understand the Kingdom of God in our midst, and God so near and what He is doing and saying! People are living without Him and think such is normal!!!

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It is clearly stated that you are basing your view of nature and its meaning from being soul (mind, will, and emotions) dominated. In this process you have not listened to your spirit, and the early years on earth when God was trying to gently teach a new mind and will to be spiritual in this life.

Now being near or close to dead to your spirit you are far from being led by the Holy Spirit in our midst.

Are those who have become beastly and soulish going to teach and bring understanding of nature and its purpose to those who have matured spiritually for years and decades by His Spirit's Anointing? Mates, it is the other way around!

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[Paul of Eugene OR]

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It is clearly stated that you are basing your view of nature and its meaning from being soul (mind, will, and emotions) dominated. In this process you have not listened to your spirit, and the early years on earth when God was trying to gently teach a new mind and will to be spiritual in this life.

Now being near or close to dead to your spirit you are far from being led by the Holy Spirit in our midst.

Are those who have become beastly and soulish going to teach and bring understanding of nature and its purpose to those who have matured spiritually for years and decades by His Spirit's Anointing? Mates, it is the other way around!

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Please tell us all what it means if someone is "spiritual" compared to someone who is "not spritual".

 

[Heissonear]

Please tell us all what it means if someone is "spiritual" compared to someone who is "not spritual".

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My last posts to KTS give the basics.

Natural man thinks we are merely physical. This is not true.

Each person is triune, and each triune part is to be integrated and not independent. The outer is our body with its five senses. The innermost that each of us have is a spirit, which cannot be seen physically. As God design, in-between is our soul. The soul is an integration but seperatable triune of mind, will and emotions. The body, the outer part of a person, it likewise is difficult to distinctly separate but is composes dominately of a person's physical brain, nervous system, and input from our five senses. The same applies with our spirit, it is difficult to distinctly separate its functions, but is separatable in to conscience (spiritual discernment or knowing), intuition (spiritual sensing and detecting), and communion (spiritual desire and admirations). If any one triune part of the body or soul dominates rather than the spirit then we are off balance to what we are suppose to mature to.

For example, the beastly are obviously those who constantly yield to their bodies desires, and are overly stimulated by their five senses. Their mind, will and emotions are dominated by the input from their overly active and/or yielded to body functions.

Our soul is to be in control of our body, otherwise we are in many ways just sophisticated beasts of the wild, of the natural.

Some or many people are soul dominated and not body dominated. The integration of body-soul is there but the mind and or will and emotions are the controlling functions yielded to or matured to dominate. These types of people are typically more mature, intellectual, and productive people in society.

However, mankind as Naturalists have nearly lost all awareness and understanding about a person's spirit, and by such their spirit is dominated by the soul and body. Naturalists are confused about consciousness of spiritually discerning and judging right from wrong, truth from error, and good from evil from "spiritual input", even input from the realm of the Spiritual. Nor do they "sense" what is spiritually around them, through the sensing capacities of their spirit, even to what is Spiritual and what is happening in the Spiritual world. Likewise, Naturalists are not aware and clear on "spiritual communion" within them, that part in them trying to connect and admire or relate to that which is Spiritually around. Since the spirit of Naturalistic people is not dominate but is dominated by their soul and body, they lack spiritual balance and maturity. To various degrees depending on each individual, they have awareness of something else in them but it stays immature and misunderstood as they live, yet there usually remains a drawing in them to what is Spiritual, like our bodies draw us to feel and see what is earthly.

Again, these are but elementary basics that can be still misinterpreted until better understood, particularly until understood through life experience, since maturity plays a critical role on each triune part's detection, development, and dominance in a persons life.

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[Paul of Eugene OR]

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My last posts to KTS give the basics.

Natural man thinks we are merely physical. This is not true.

Each person is triune, and each triune part is to be integrated and not independent. The outer is our body with its five senses. The innermost that each of us have is a spirit, which cannot be seen physically. As God design, in-between is our soul. The soul is an integration but seperatable triune of mind, will and emotions. The body, the outer part of a person, it likewise is difficult to distinctly separate but is composes dominately of a person's physical brain, nervous system, and input from our five senses. The same applies with our spirit, it is difficult to distinctly separate its functions, but is separatable in to conscience (spiritual discernment or knowing), intuition (spiritual sensing and detecting), and communion (spiritual desire and admirations). If any one triune part of the body or soul dominates rather than the spirit then we are off balance to what we are suppose to mature to.

For example, the beastly are obviously those who constantly yield to their bodies desires, and are overly stimulated by their five senses. Their mind, will and emotions are dominated by the input from their overly active and/or yielded to body functions.

Our soul is to be in control of our body, otherwise we are in many ways just sophisticated beasts of the wild, of the natural.

Some or many people are soul dominated and not body dominated. The integration of body-soul is there but the mind and or will and emotions are the controlling functions yielded to or matured to dominate. These types of people are typically more mature, intellectual, and productive people in society.

However, mankind as Naturalists have nearly lost all awareness and understanding about a person's spirit, and by such their spirit is dominated by the soul and body. Naturalists are confused about consciousness of spiritually discerning and judging right from wrong, truth from error, and good from evil from "spiritual input", even input from the realm of the Spiritual. Nor do they "sense" what is spiritually around them, through the sensing capacities of their spirit, even to what is Spiritual and what is happening in the Spiritual world. Likewise, Naturalists are not aware and clear on "spiritual communion" within them, that part in them trying to connect and admire or relate to that which is Spiritually around. Since the spirit of Naturalistic people is not dominate but is dominated by their soul and body, they lack spiritual balance and maturity. To various degrees depending on each individual, they have awareness of something else in them but it stays immature and misunderstood as they live, yet there usually remains a drawing in them to what is Spiritual, like our bodies draw us to feel and see what is earthly.

Again, these are but elementary basics that can be still misinterpreted until better understood, particularly until understood through life experience, since maturity plays a critical role on each triune part's detection, development, and dominance in a persons life.

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Please be careful to understand I am a Christian and I am in favor of people being spiritual; however, I am also in favor of people being clear about what they are talking about.

In all the above, the only thing I see that defines "spiritual" is the following:

The same applies with our spirit, it is difficult to distinctly separate its functions, but is separatable in to conscience (spiritual discernment or knowing), intuition (spiritual sensing and detecting), and communion (spiritual desire and admirations).

Admittedly, it is difficult to properly define and deal with the concept. In particular, you are using the word "spiritual" in the above definition of what spiritual is, which is not very enlightening.

If being spiritual is to have spiritual discernment, that doesn't explain a thing! If being spiritual is to have spiritual sensing, that doesn't explain a thing!

Please, being spiritual is obviously very important to us, so lets get a consistent, appropriate definition of what that actually is.

Is it merely the same thing that philosophers engage in when they consider the long term consequences of their actions, instead of the immediate consequences of their actions, and act accordingly, calling this rational ethical behavior? Or if there is more, what is the "more"?

 

[Kylie]

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My last posts to KTS give the basics.

Natural man thinks we are merely physical. This is not true.

Each person is triune, and each triune part is to be integrated and not independent. The outer is our body with its five senses. The innermost that each of us have is a spirit, which cannot be seen physically. As God design, in-between is our soul. The soul is an integration but seperatable triune of mind, will and emotions. The body, the outer part of a person, it likewise is difficult to distinctly separate but is composes dominately of a person's physical brain, nervous system, and input from our five senses. The same applies with our spirit, it is difficult to distinctly separate its functions, but is separatable in to conscience (spiritual discernment or knowing), intuition (spiritual sensing and detecting), and communion (spiritual desire and admirations). If any one triune part of the body or soul dominates rather than the spirit then we are off balance to what we are suppose to mature to.

For example, the beastly are obviously those who constantly yield to their bodies desires, and are overly stimulated by their five senses. Their mind, will and emotions are dominated by the input from their overly active and/or yielded to body functions.

Our soul is to be in control of our body, otherwise we are in many ways just sophisticated beasts of the wild, of the natural.

Some or many people are soul dominated and not body dominated. The integration of body-soul is there but the mind and or will and emotions are the controlling functions yielded to or matured to dominate. These types of people are typically more mature, intellectual, and productive people in society.

However, mankind as Naturalists have nearly lost all awareness and understanding about a person's spirit, and by such their spirit is dominated by the soul and body. Naturalists are confused about consciousness of spiritually discerning and judging right from wrong, truth from error, and good from evil from "spiritual input", even input from the realm of the Spiritual. Nor do they "sense" what is spiritually around them, through the sensing capacities of their spirit, even to what is Spiritual and what is happening in the Spiritual world. Likewise, Naturalists are not aware and clear on "spiritual communion" within them, that part in them trying to connect and admire or relate to that which is Spiritually around. Since the spirit of Naturalistic people is not dominate but is dominated by their soul and body, they lack spiritual balance and maturity. To various degrees depending on each individual, they have awareness of something else in them but it stays immature and misunderstood as they live, yet there usually remains a drawing in them to what is Spiritual, like our bodies draw us to feel and see what is earthly.

Again, these are but elementary basics that can be still misinterpreted until better understood, particularly until understood through life experience, since maturity plays a critical role on each triune part's detection, development, and dominance in a persons life.

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Okay.

First of all, complete speculation. There is no evidence for any of this, it's just what you want to believe. You want me to believe it, give me some evidence.

Secondly, this doesn't come anywhere NEAR answering my question. Why does God give us the gifts of reason and intelligence, and then set up the world so that our reason and intelligence leads us to the wrong conclusions?

Are you going to evade and spin out on some unrelated topic? Are you a politician? I've never seen anyone say as much as you do while remaining completely irrelevant unless they were a politician.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why does God give us the gifts of reason and intelligence, and then set up the world so that our reason and intelligence leads us to the wrong conclusions?

Your reasoning and intelligence would lead you to the wrong conclusions anyway.

Such as when He makes very clear statements in the Bible, but your reasoning and intelligence lead you to conclude otherwise.

So it really doesn't matter.

When the rich man in Hell requested someone be sent to his five brothers, lest they end up in Hell also, Abraham said if they wouldn't listen to the Scriptures, they wouldn't be convinced by objectivity.

 

[Heissonear]

Your reasoning and intelligence would lead you to the wrong conclusions anyway.

Such as when He makes very clear statements in the Bible, but your reasoning and intelligence lead you to conclude otherwise.

So it really doesn't matter.

When the rich man in Hell requested someone be sent to his five brothers, lest they end up in Hell also, Abraham said if they wouldn't listen to the Scriptures, they wouldn't be convinced by objectivity.

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"But your reasoning and intelligence lead you to conclude otherwise".

Very well said.

A case of hearing but not perceiving, and thereby deriving wrong conclusions.

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[Paul of Eugene OR]

Your reasoning and intelligence would lead you to the wrong conclusions anyway.

Such as when He makes very clear statements in the Bible, but your reasoning and intelligence lead you to conclude otherwise.

So it really doesn't matter.

When the rich man in Hell requested someone be sent to his five brothers, lest they end up in Hell also, Abraham said if they wouldn't listen to the Scriptures, they wouldn't be convinced by objectivity.

I hate to break it to you guys, but I am not exactly a fan of the idea of finding reasons to downgrade the use of reason. I disagree with asserting one has any reason to refuse to reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

I hate to break it to you guys, but I am not exactly a fan of the idea of finding reasons to downgrade the use of reason. I disagree with asserting one has any reason to refuse to reason.

Scientific methodists here have used reason to bottle themselves up inside a cocoon of empiricism and scientific formulas and observable evidence.

While harping that we should "think outside the box," they have placed themselves in such a small box they can't see straight.

Like a bunch of collerage students piling into a phone booth to look stupid, these guys shout to us: "Come on in! There's room for more!"; and no one in the booth is wise enough to think to use the phone ...

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

... except to Arab phone those who are trying to rescue them from suffocating in their own mundane philosophies.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Scientific methodists here have used reason to bottle themselves up inside a cocoon of empiricism and scientific formulas and observable evidence.

While harping that we should "think outside the box," they have placed themselves in such a small box they can't see straight.

Like a bunch of collerage students piling into a phone booth to look stupid, these guys shout to us: "Come on in! There's room for more!"; and no one in the booth is wise enough to think to use the phone ...

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

... except to Arab phone those who are trying to rescue them from suffocating in their own mundane philosophies.

I'm not sure what you're pushing for here, exactly, that those unreasonable
scientific methodists are pushing that you wish to deny, so in order to properly assess your desire to abandon reason in favor of accepting something else, exactly what is the something else you are urging we accept?