Andromeda

[Tuur]

Neat.

What's this have to do with reconciling Genesis 1 with a product of theoretical physics?

It eliminates wormholes as a theoretical work-around. Even if a stable wormhole were possible, it would have to be huge not to show a parallax and there are more distant objects in the sky to account for than the Andromeda galaxy.

If you want to tinker with making creation in a literal six days fit, try time dilation so that six days from the standpoint of an observer is about 4 and a half billion by our perception. Then think of a way that it would work.

 

[AV1611VET]

It eliminates wormholes as a theoretical work-around.

Your explanation must be awful weak then.

I don't see wormholes eliminated.

In fact ...

From AI Overview:

The theory of wormholes hasn't been discounted.

In fact, wormholes remain a subject of active research and theoretical exploration within the realm of physics.

Here's why:

General Relativity allows them: The equations of Einstein's theory of General Relativity, our best description of how gravity works, do mathematically permit the existence of wormholes as theoretical solutions.

Potential for Shortcuts: Wormholes could theoretically provide shortcuts through spacetime, enabling faster-than-light travel or even a form of time travel, although these possibilities face significant theoretical and practical challenges.

Ongoing Research: Scientists continue to investigate the properties of wormholes, their potential formation mechanisms, and the conditions under which they might become traversable, even if only for quantum information.

 

[sjastro]

Thank you for your reply.

I appreciate it.

But show me one post in this thread that talks about the age of Andromeda.

I was careful to frame my posts so as to contain lookback time, not age.

You must think the readers of your "challenges" are totally braindead, completely illiterate or a combination of both.

AV1611VET:
I've read every post so far, and I don't see anyone confusing lookback time with the age of Andromeda.


Andromeda is as old as God willed it to be when He created it in 4004 BC.

It is also as far away as He willed it to be when He created it in 4004 BC.

Yet the light of Andromeda was on the earth before Adam was created two days later.

If you give me the exact date when the Andromeda Galaxy was created according to your version of the Bible it is either 6028 or 6029 years old

 

[AV1611VET]

If you give me the exact date when the Andromeda Galaxy was created according to your version of the Bible it is either 6028 or 6029 years old

It was created in 4004 BC, and its age has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Very simple question:

If God creates a star 50 million light years away tomorrow and sends its light through a wormhole to the earth, will we see it tomorrow?

Let's just say that with miracles all things are possible.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Give it a day. God's not going to put all those wormholes right next to the planet, you know.

What about Bajor?

 

[Yttrium]

What about Bajor?

Yeah, one is bad enough. Imagine billions of those holes with their pesky prophets.

 

[sjastro]

It was created in 4004 BC, and its age has nothing to do with this thread.

Is some sort of a joke?
If it was created in 4004 BC its age is nearly 6030 years.
The whole point of this ridiculous thread is galaxies cannot be further out than 6030 light years hence the nonsense about wormholes.

If you tried to understand the posts written in this thread inside of thinking you possess one of the finest minds of the 12th century, photons travelling inside wormholes will never be as observed as the wormhole is pinched by the positive energy of the photon.
This is what your AI overview is implying "Wormholes could theoretically provide shortcuts through spacetime, enabling faster-than-light travel or even a form of time travel, although these possibilities face significant theoretical and practical challenges."

For someone to tell science to take a hike while simultaneously relying on highly speculative physics to support creationism is beyond hypocritical but laughable.

 

[Hans Blaster]

f you tried to understand the posts written in this thread inside of thinking you possess one of the finest minds of the 12th century, photons travelling inside wormholes will never be as observed as the wormhole is pinched by the positive energy of the photon.

A fireball was just detected over Guam.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is some sort of a joke?

No.

If it was created in 4004 BC its age is nearly 6030 years.

Unless its age was embedded at creation for purposes not revealed in the Scriptures.

The whole point of this ridiculous thread is galaxies cannot be further out than 6030 light years hence the nonsense about wormholes.

The whole point of this thread is that we see Andromeda because of wormholes.

If you tried to understand the posts written in this thread inside of thinking you possess one of the finest minds of the 12th century, photons travelling inside wormholes will never be as observed as the wormhole is pinched by the positive energy of the photon.

If you tried to understand the posts written in this thread inside of thinking you possess one of the finest minds of the 21st century, you'd see ...

From AI Overview:

The theoretical models describing traversable wormholes suggest that they require exotic matter with negative energy density to remain stable. This means that the presence of normal matter, like photons with positive energy, would actually cause the wormhole to collapse rather than stabilize it.

So far, this supports what you said: the wormhole wouldn't work.

BUT ...

Dark matter is considered exotic matter because the prevailing theory is that it consists of unknown, non-baryonic particles that interact with ordinary matter (made of protons, neutrons, and electrons) only through gravity and not via the electromagnetic force, making it invisible to telescopes.

Notice: dark matter is considered exotic matter, which will stabilize a wormhole.

Finally we read this ...

Some theoretical research suggests that specific forms of dark matter, particularly if they possess properties like negative energy, could potentially stabilize a wormhole. While normal dark matter behaves like regular matter gravitationally, other theoretical models that include axions or other dark matter particles under certain conditions, like strong electromagnetic fields or quantum effects, could provide the negative energy density needed to hold a wormhole open and prevent it from collapsing.

Now -- here's the kicker ...

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I have always contended here that those "chains of darkness" could very well be dark energy.

Such as here:

I struggled with this passage ...

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

... until dark matter was discovered.

... and here:

I find this dark matter intriguing, since God locked the fallen angels that came to earth away in "chains of darkness".

And that settles it, as far as I'm concerned.

For someone to tell science to take a hike while simultaneously relying on highly speculative physics to support creationism is beyond hypocritical but laughable.

For one thing, I can't believe I let someone drag me into a scientific discussion.

I barely know what I'm talking about here, and I'm relying more on AI Overview than I am the Bible.

Suffice it to say that, if you still disagree with me, that's your prerogative.

Maybe God is using wormholes, maybe He isn't.

But any further discussions on wormholes from a scientific perspective to try to pwn Andromeda and you can consider the following reply from me:

GOD DID IT -- CASE CLOSED

I got the answer I was looking for in this thread -- wormholes -- and I'm satisfied that at least one person knew what I was talking about.

Are we done now?