My Kidney Challenge II

[Raika]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

No, I shouldn't be forced to give up one of my organs to save the life of another human being whether it is a child or a full-grown adult. . It should be a personal decision of the person who is compatible with my organs.

I did make a personal decision not to become an organ donor... why? Because it's my choice... I also don't want hospitals getting the idea that they can make any excuses to pull the plug on me because of my organ donation card... to harvest my organs for profit... yes hospitals profit off of organ transplants... prove me otherwise.

 

[Kylie]

Depends on the kind of relation. If you are responsible for their existence and well-being, like for example a parent is for his/her child, then its written in both of all species' instincts and in our human laws.


In this specific scenario you posted, no. There is no clear basis for such kind of relation in which a relative should be forced to do that.

But parents are forced to take a good care about their children or else they will end in prison. A mother cannot just throw away her child or ignore its needs. The only question is if this protection should be extended to before the child is being born.

So you hold the life of a family member higher than the life of a stranger?

So you would say that your sibling's life is more valuable than mine?

 

[Kylie]

Nope. No one should be forced to undergo extraordinarily invasive surgical procedures. You know, like an abortion.

I agree completely.

No one should be FORCED to undergo such a procedure.

But if they choose to undergo it of their own free will, then there's no problem.

 

[Kylie]

No, I shouldn't be forced to give up one of my organs to save the life of another human being whether it is a child or a full-grown adult. . It should be a personal decision of the person who is compatible with my organs.

I did make a personal decision not to become an organ donor... why? Because it's my choice... I also don't want hospitals getting the idea that they can make any excuses to pull the plug on me because of my organ donation card... to harvest my organs for profit... yes hospitals profit off of organ transplants... prove me otherwise.

You do realise that the "Make outrageous claim, provide no supporting evidence, then say other people must prove me wrong" style of arguing just doesn't work, right?

 

[Bradskii]

So you hold the life of a family member higher than the life of a stranger?

So you would say that your sibling's life is more valuable than mine?

I'd have thought that that was obvious.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

No.

I don't believe in socialism.

 

[Kylie]

No.

I don't believe in socialism.

Does that mean you'd refuse a kidney transplant if you needed one?

(BTW, I hope you've never gone to a public library.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Does that mean you'd refuse a kidney transplant if you needed one?

Of course I wouldn't.

(Even though it would cost me an arm and a leg to get one. )

(BTW, I hope you've never gone to a public library.)

I have before, and they didn't require me to "donate" one of my kidneys either.

 

[Kylie]

Of course I wouldn't.

So you think being an organ donor is socialism, and you don't want any part of it - unless you are the one benefitting.

That's both selfish and hypocritical, don't you think?

(Even though it would cost me an arm and a leg to get one. )I have before, and they didn't require me to "donate" one of my kidneys either.

No, but they do require taxes from you.

 

[trophy33]

So you hold the life of a family member higher than the life of a stranger?
So you would say that your sibling's life is more valuable than mine?

You say "So...xyz" but I do not see any connection to my post.

My post explained that as a parent, you are responsible to take a good care about your children. Its encoded deeply in nature, in morality and also in human laws (if you are asking "where is it written").

 

[Kylie]

You say "So...xyz" but I do not see any connection to my post.

My post explained that as a parent, you are responsible to take a good care about your children. Its encoded deeply in nature, in morality and also in human laws (if you are asking "where is it written").

Not sure how you don't see the connection.

If there was a burning building and you had the chance to save your child and only your child, or a group of 20 babies, which would you choose?

 

[trophy33]

Not sure how you don't see the connection.

Not sure how you do see it. You can explain.

If there was a burning building and you had the chance to save your child and only your child, or a group of 20 babies, which would you choose?

I do not play these choosing games.

Moral dilemmas are like logical paradoxes. We must live our life in our specific and real situations.

 

[Hammster]

Not sure how you don't see the connection.

If there was a burning building and you had the chance to save your child and only your child, or a group of 20 babies, which would you choose?

I’ll answer.

My child, of course.

 

[trophy33]

I’ll answer.

My child, of course.

Well, now she can add "what if your child was an evil monster who set the building on fire to kill 20 innocent babies. Would you still save your child instead of the 20?".

Because she can add the conditions/rules to the game at will, its best not to play it.

 

[Kylie]

Not sure how you do see it. You can explain.

I do not play these choosing games.

You already played it when you said in post 4 that we have a "natural responsibility" for our children.

 

[Kylie]

I’ll answer.

My child, of course.

Well, now she can add "what if your child was an evil monster who set the building on fire to kill 20 innocent babies. Would you still save your child instead of the 20?".

Because she can add the conditions/rules of the game at will, its best not to play it.

Nope, not gonna do that.

Just gonna point out that your view of the value of a person's life seems to be extremely subjective. Tell me, how many babies is your child's life worth?

 

[trophy33]

You already played it when you said in post 4 that we have a "natural responsibility" for our children.

That parents have the responsibility to take a good care of their children is no hypothetical moral dilemma game, but a daily practical situation observed anywhere where people have at least basic morals.

 

[Kylie]

That parents have the responsibility to take a good care of their children is no hypothetical moral dilemma game, but a daily practical situation observed anywhere where people have at least basic morals.

And it leads to the conclusion that you would preferentially save your own child over the child of someone else. The conclusion is inescapable given your claim.

 

[Hammster]

Nope, not gonna do that.

Just gonna point out that your view of the value of a person's life seems to be extremely subjective. Tell me, how many babies is your child's life worth?

My child was given to me by God. He or she is my responsibility. He or she is my legacy to carry on the work of the kingdom. So there’s no hesitation for me to choose my child.

 

[trophy33]

And it leads to the conclusion that you would preferentially save your own child over the child of someone else. The conclusion is inescapable given your claim.

Sure, parental instincts and feelings lead to preferential protection of your child, generally.

How is it related to the abortion problem?