My Kidney Challenge II

[Kylie]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

 

[Sabertooth]

(Playing the devil's advocate,)
"So, why should a woman be forced to surrender her womb to keep somebody else alive...?"

 

[Ceallaigh]

(Playing the devil's advocate,)
"So, why should a woman be forced to surrender her womb to keep somebody else alive...?"

Yep that's usually where the kidney scenario is going.

Although really it seems more like a scenario of, if you were being forced to keep whatever organ or body part you want removed.

 

[trophy33]

I do not see any legal or moral basis, in this example, to be forced to do that.

Sally and you are not related to each other in any way and you do not have any natural responsibility for her (unlike in the case of the abortion of your own child).

Sure, we can invent some extreme hypothetical scenario one could be forced to do that (for example Sally is the last female on earth or the only person who can solve some serious humanity problem), but I do not think thats the point of the OP.

 

[Kylie]

I do not see any legal or moral basis, in this example, to be forced to do that.

Sally and you are not related to each other in any way and you do not have any natural responsibility for her (unlike in the case of the abortion of your own child).

Sure, we can invent some extreme hypothetical scenario one could be forced to do that (for example Sally is the last female on earth or the only person who can solve some serious humanity problem), but I do not think thats the point of the OP.

Where is it written that you have an automatic responsibility to a person just because they are related to you?

If Sally was your family member, would it be acceptable to force you then?

 

[Bradskii]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

Short answer...no. Because it should be a personal decision. That's not to say I wouldn't. But there are a lot of conditions that would govern my decision.

If Sally was your family member, would it be acceptable to force you then?

Again, no. But the closer you are related, then the more likely you are to donate. As Haldane was reported to have said: 'I would gladly give up my life for two brothers or eight cousins.' And presumably one daughter.

 

[dqhall]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

The Chinese arrested house church pastors. Some Christians were sentenced to death. The Chinese harvested organs from the prisoners they sentenced to death.

Kidneys should not be taken by force.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

No I shouldn't because I live in Canada. It might be okay somewhere else though, so I just won't move there.

 

[trophy33]

Where is it written that you have an automatic responsibility to a person just because they are related to you?

Depends on the kind of relation. If you are responsible for their existence and well-being, like for example a parent is for his/her child, then its written in both of all species' instincts and in our human laws.

If Sally was your family member, would it be acceptable to force you then?

In this specific scenario you posted, no. There is no clear basis for such kind of relation in which a relative should be forced to do that.

But parents are forced to take a good care about their children or else they will end in prison. A mother cannot just throw away her child or ignore its needs. The only question is if this protection should be extended to before the child is being born.

 

[trophy33]

@Sabertooth I apologize I modified my post after you rated it. Often I either need to rephrase it in a better English or to add some more explanation.

I do try not to change the meaning or the tone of the post after it was quoted or rated by someone, though.

 

[Hammster]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

I can’t think of any reason why I should be forced to, but if someone put a gun to my head, I’d probably opt to do so.

 

[Bradskii]

The Chinese arrested house church pastors. Some Christians were sentenced to death. The Chinese harvested organs from the prisoners they sentenced to death.

It's been illegal to use executed prisoners organs in China since 2015.

But wouldn't they have already volunteered their organs within the Chinese organ donation system?

 

[Estrid]

The Chinese arrested house church pastors. Some Christians were sentenced to death. The Chinese harvested organs from the prisoners they sentenced to death.

Kidneys should not be taken by force.

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How do you force a dead man.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Put in such a the situation I would hope anyone would to do it voluntarily. One that would refuse to do so should feel much shame at their unconscionable selfishness. Why allow a person to die when one can save that person?
The suggestion that this situation is somehow similar to what takes place when a baby is aborted is far-fetched. In this situation a person is refusing to save a life by not taking an action. Abortion is taking an action to take a life. Forcing someone to do a thing for someone is not in any way equivalent to preventing someone from doing something to someone.

 

[Chriliman]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

I don’t think you should be forced, but if you don’t, I could see you being judged somewhat harshly as being selfish and immoral. Then the question is if it’s right to judge people like that?

 

[o_mlly]

There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.

Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Why or why not?

Nope. No one should be forced to undergo extraordinarily invasive surgical procedures. You know, like an abortion.

 

[dqhall]

It's been illegal to use executed prisoners organs in China since 2015.

But wouldn't they have already volunteered their organs within the Chinese organ donation system?

You should check your source. China continues to execute prisoners then harvest their organs.
Researchers Discover Chinese Harvesting of Organs Before Brain Death

 

[Blade]

Hi Kylie.. just reminded of this LITTLE boy and his brother saw me out side and he asked me "so hows live treating you today" haha man made really laugh. So hows life treating you today

It seems the correct answer would be yes....to just leave it simple the answer is no. That's a slippery slope, once your going down...its almost impossible to go back.

 

[Bradskii]

You should check your source. China continues to execute prisoners then harvest their organs.
Researchers Discover Chinese Harvesting of Organs Before Brain Death

Your link doesn't mention anything anything about executing prisoners for organs. A link in the article sends one to The China Tribunal which has connections with Falun Gong, not in any way an impartial commentator on China. I'd be extremely careful about using any information from that source.

And again, wouldn't the Christians in China already have nominated their organs for transplanting anyway?

I might ask anyone who has posted if they have done so in their own country?

 

[dqhall]

Your link doesn't mention anything anything about executing prisoners for organs. A link in the article sends one to The China Tribunal which has connections with Falun Gong, not in any way an impartial commentator on China. I'd be extremely careful about using any information from that source.

And again, wouldn't the Christians in China already have nominated their organs for transplanting anyway?

I might ask anyone who has posted if they have done so in their own country?

Prisoners of conscience, including Christians did not elect premature death in prison camps. Greed abounds behind the bamboo curtain.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ecutions/00000180-5bb8-df19-a7f3-dbfc53720000

Jack Ma a high ranking communist chairman of Alibaba disappeared after criticizing CCP greed.