My Gospel by Paul

[Strong in Him]

If you conclude that therefore, they are preaching the same gospel, that is as equally illogical as in my analogy

Neither you, nor anyone else, have explained why they are different.

 

[Guojing]

Neither you, nor anyone else, have explained why they are different.

I have already given you a picture that illustrates so many differences, with various scripture

People can explain the difference to you, but only you can understand it on your own.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have already given you a picture that illustrates so many differences, with various scripture

And I've told you, I don't want a chart that someone else has produced which, they say, shows the "2 Gospels" and the differences between them.
I want to know why people in this thread - and preferably the OP, but I think he's had enough - claim that the 4 Gospel writers and Paul are saying different things. I've given you some specific examples of things which Jesus preached, which Paul also preached. How does that fit your insistence that there were 2 Gospels?
Matthew and John - disciples - wrote their Gospels and Peter was the main source for Mark's Gospels. 3 of the Gospels were written by Apostles; the Apostles welcomed Paul after his conversion and accepted him as an Apostle also. Why would they have done that if he were preaching something different?
They may have been called to different people; that doesn't mean they preached different Gospels.

London is the capital of England, and that fact doesn't change whether I am speaking to the Scots, the French, Americans or Africans.
Similarly, Jesus, son of Mary and also Son of God, lived, taught, died on the cross, was raised again, ascended, sent his Spirit and will one day return.
ONE Jesus - human and divine; not 2. ONE way to receive eternal life - through Jesus - not 2.

 

[Guojing]

And I've told you, I don't want a chart that someone else has produced which, they say, shows the "2 Gospels" and the differences between them.
I want to know why people in this thread - and preferably the OP, but I think he's had enough - claim that the 4 Gospel writers and Paul are saying different things. I've given you some specific examples of things which Jesus preached, which Paul also preached. How does that fit your insistence that there were 2 Gospels?
Matthew and John - disciples - wrote their Gospels and Peter was the main source for Mark's Gospels. 3 of the Gospels were written by Apostles; the Apostles welcomed Paul after his conversion and accepted him as an Apostle also. Why would they have done that if he were preaching something different?
They may have been called to different people; that doesn't mean they preached different Gospels.

London is the capital of England, and that fact doesn't change whether I am speaking to the Scots, the French, Americans or Africans.
Similarly, Jesus, son of Mary and also Son of God, lived, taught, died on the cross, was raised again, ascended, sent his Spirit and will one day return.
ONE Jesus - human and divine; not 2. ONE way to receive eternal life - through Jesus - not 2.

The chart shows so many differences between the 2 gospels.

If you don't want to consider them, that is your prerogative, but that is different from "no one have explain the differences".

 

[Strong in Him]

The chart shows so many differences between the 2 gospels.

If you don't want to consider them, that is your prerogative, but that is different from "no one have explain the differences".

If YOU are claiming that they are different, YOU should be able to explain it, and answer my questions, in your own words.
I have listed a number of things that both Jesus and Paul preached on and asked you to comment. Your only answer is "look at this chart."
It suggests to me that you can't respond to/have no answer for what I have asked.

 

[Guojing]

If YOU are claiming that they are different, YOU should be able to explain it, and answer my questions, in your own words.
I have listed a number of things that both Jesus and Paul preached on and asked you to comment. Your only answer is "look at this chart."
It suggests to me that you can't respond to/have no answer for what I have asked.

You are strange, I gave the differences in that chart, together with so many scripture passages, and you still ask me to explain the differences.

People can explain to you, but they cannot understand for you.

 

[d taylor]

That post is not about the meaning of inherit

Your post shows that you do not understand what spiritualizing means. You accuse me of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible. But spiritualizing events in The Bible, is when a person states, events in The Bible do not actually happen literately, but only happen spiritually in the believer.

In your post that you say i am spiritualizing sheep and goats, etc.. but not one time did i say this or other events in The Bible do not happen literally.

An example of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible is Amillennialism.

...Do you believe Joshua 10:12-15 actually happened as it is stated in The Bible? That Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stop moving over the earth. ...If you do not, then you are allegorizing this event in The Bible.

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[Strong in Him]

You are strange, I gave the differences in that chart, together with so many scripture passages, and you still ask me to explain the differences.

That's a bit like you asking me a science question and I reply "see what Einstein taught".
You would have been asking me to explain in my own words - which would show my understanding of the subject. I would reply "see Einstein" - in other words, "I have no idea, but Einstein was clever, he must have covered this subject at some point."

If I say to YOU, "both Jesus and Paul taught the Kingdom of God, both Jesus and Paul taught his death, resurrection, forgiveness, eternal life; why do YOU say that they taught different Gospels?" and your answer is "see this chart", that suggests the same thing to me - you don't know why, but this person suggested that they did, here's their idea on it, work it out for yourself."
If YOU are claiming that there are 2 Gospels, you should be able to explain what they are, and the Scriptures that lead you to that conclusion.

Ok then , if that's too hard for you, another question: did Paul lie when he said there is only one Gospel and that anyone who says differently should be cursed?

 

[Jipsah]

The chart shows so many differences between the 2 gospels.

The problem there is that there's only one Gospel. The whole "two gospels" thing is nonsense.

 

[Der Alte]

Your post shows that you do not understand what spiritualizing means. You accuse me of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible. But spiritualizing events in The Bible, is when a person states, events in The Bible do not actually happen literately, but only happen spiritually in the believer.
In your post that you say i am spiritualizing sheep and goats, etc.. but not one time did i say this or other events in The Bible do not happen literally.
An example of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible is Amillennialism.
...Do you believe Joshua 10:12-15 actually happened as it is stated in The Bible? That Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stop moving over the earth. ...If you do not, then you are allegorizing this event in The Bible.

If I may my 2 cents. I don't think it was allegory and also don't think the sun and moon actually stood still but they appeared to, to Joshua. How could that happen without upsetting the entire solar system? IMHO God simply refracted the light making it to appear to stand still to Joshua and all those around him. But that's only my opinion.

 

[d taylor]

If I may my 2 cents. I don't think it was allegory and also don't think the sun and moon actually stood still but they appeared to, to Joshua. How could that happen without upsetting the entire solar system? IMHO God simply refracted the light making it to appear to stand still to Joshua and all those around him. But that's only my opinion.

That is where believing in sciences creation forces you to see Joshua 10 the way you do.
But if you were to believe in the creation God created that is described in The Bible. Joshua 10:12-15 can be believed as is written in The Bible.

 

[Der Alte]

That is where believing in sciences creation forces you to see Joshua 10 the way you do.
But if you were to believe in the creation God created that is described in The Bible. Joshua 10:12-15 can be believed as is written in The Bible.

I do believe in the creation just they way it is written I believe it differently than you do.

 

[Guojing]

The problem there is that there's only one Gospel. The whole "two gospels" thing is nonsense.

God has only ONE good news throughout OT and NT?

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Guojing]

Your post shows that you do not understand what spiritualizing means. You accuse me of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible. But spiritualizing events in The Bible, is when a person states, events in The Bible do not actually happen literately, but only happen spiritually in the believer.

In your post that you say i am spiritualizing sheep and goats, etc.. but not one time did i say this or other events in The Bible do not happen literally.

An example of spiritualizing accounts in The Bible is Amillennialism.

...Do you believe Joshua 10:12-15 actually happened as it is stated in The Bible? That Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stop moving over the earth. ...If you do not, then you are allegorizing this event in The Bible.

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My point in that post was how you arbitrary split eternal life in Luke 10 into the 2 parts, and how you changed the Law of Moses to the Law of Christ.

That is what spiritualizing means

 

[Guojing]

Ok then , if that's too hard for you, another question: did Paul lie when he said there is only one Gospel and that anyone who says differently should be cursed?

After the agreement made with James Cephas and John in Galatians 2:7-9, Paul was writing to gentiles in the Body of Christ in chapters 1 and 2

Let's really read the words carefully to understand what Paul is really saying, notice the unto 3 three times?

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually saying if the gentiles are preached another gospel other than the one what they are receiving from Paul, let the preacher be accused.

Can you see you are misinterpreting it to mean "Paul also said if anyone preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed"?

 

[Strong in Him]

After the agreement made with James Cephas and John in Galatians 2:7-9, Paul was writing to gentiles in the Body of Christ in chapters 1 and 2

Let's really read the words carefully to understand what Paul is really saying, notice the unto 3 three times?

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually saying if the gentiles are preached another gospel other than the one what they are receiving from Paul, let the preacher be accused.

Can you see you are misinterpreting it to mean "Paul also said if anyone preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed"?

No.
There is no other Gospel, and if anyone tried to preach one - whether they were preaching to Gentiles, Jews and Gentiles or to next door's cat - they should be cursed.

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 that he preached that Christ died for our sins, that he was buried and that he was raised again; all this was foretold in OT Scriptures.
Jesus and the disciples also preached this - Matthew 26:28, Mark 8:31, Mark 10:45, Luke 18:31-33, Luke 23:50-56, Luke 24, John 10:11, John 20.
One Gospel.

 

[Strong in Him]

God has only ONE good news throughout OT and NT?

Is that what you are saying?

THE Good News is that though mankind had sinned, disobeyed God, separated themselves from him, were spiritually dead and deserved to remain that way, GOD in his mercy, made it possible for us to be reconciled to him, receive eternal life and have a relationship with him.
He did this by coming, himself, to live among us. Jesus was God, and a perfect man - and he laid down his life as a sacrifice to reconcile sinful man to God. Incredibly, if we believe in, and accept Jesus, God's beloved Son, we have HIS life and many blessings besides, Ephesians 1:3.
That's it. Salvation and eternal life are through Jesus; no one and nothing else.

Mankind was on its way to hell; God in his mercy rescued us.
ONE Gospel, through, from and about Christ - preached by Christ, the Apostles and Paul.

 

[Guojing]

No.
There is no other Gospel, and if anyone tried to preach one - whether they were preaching to Gentiles, Jews and Gentiles or to next door's cat - they should be cursed.

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 that he preached that Christ died for our sins, that he was buried and that he was raised again; all this was foretold in OT Scriptures.
Jesus and the disciples also preached this - Matthew 26:28, Mark 8:31, Mark 10:45, Luke 18:31-33, Luke 23:50-56, Luke 24, John 10:11, John 20.
One Gospel.

Interesting, you make such a big deal about people unable to explain to you.

So when they actually do explain to you slowly and carefully, you don't even want to consider what they are saying.

Once you formed your belief, you don't really care what Galatians 1:8-9 is actually saying.

 

[Sorn]

also don't think the sun and moon actually stood still but they appeared to, to Joshua. How could that happen without upsetting the entire solar system? IMHO God simply refracted the light making it to appear to stand still to Joshua and all those around him. But that's only my opinion.

Well technically the sun is stationary relative to the earth and all the planets as they revolve around the sun.
God could have stopped the earth from rotating & also mitigated all the acceleration forces that would result so nobody would fly off etc.
If He can stop the earth rotating for a period then stopping the moon would be a cinch. He need not do anything else in the solar system, just stop the earth & moon for a period of time.

 

[Jipsah]

God has only ONE good news throughout OT and NT?

Is that what you are saying?

OK, every sentence spoken by or Lord, or St. Paul, or any of the other saint, is a different "gospel" because they didn't all say the same precise thing.

Silliness abounds.