My Abraham Challenge

[miknik5]

Is it necessary to be killed by someone in order to die?
I didn't say that Christ didn't have to die at all. I said it was not necessary that someone had to kill Jesus Christ so He could atone for our sins.
Of course, Jesus had to die so He would resurrect. But in order for Him to be resurrected and to save others He had to be without sin.
I have a question: what if nobody wanted to kill Jesus, how would He save us?

Paul addressed that issue...if they had known who HE was, they wouldn't have killed the LORD of GLORY...

 

[Alla27]

And by the way, let's not forget that no one took HIS LIFE from HIM...HE had the power to lay it down and to take it up again...

So, He let them to kill Him. He didn't resist. But what if nobody wanted to kill Him, how would He save us?

 

[miknik5]

So, my question remains: if nobody wanted to take that sin upon himself and kill innocent man, how would Jesus save us from our sins?

Again, Paul already addressed that issue...they didn't know who HE was.
If they had, they wouldn't have killed the LORD of GLORY...

 

[miknik5]

So, He let them to kill Him. He didn't resist. But what if nobody wanted to kill Him, how would He save us?

Again, Paul addressed that issue...and it is a moot point,now isn't it?

 

[miknik5]

Not only that, CHRIST knew that HE had to walk this day and the next for it was not possible that a "prophet" die outside of Jerusalem...

 

[miknik5]

Another reason that HE had to be killed was because HE will avenge the deaths of every prophet from righteous Abel to Zechariah whose blood cries out to HIM from the ground...

In fact, as it is written by the parable, GOD finally and lastly sends HIS SON...and they said, what???


Here is the heir, let us kill HIM...

 

[Alla27]

Again, Peter addressed that issue...and it is a moot point,now isn't it?

I don't remember how he addressed this issue. Could you tell me where exactly I can find this info? Thanks in advance.

 

[Alla27]

Not only that, CHRIST knew that HE had to walk this day and the next for it was not possible that a "prophet" die outside of Jerusalem...

Ok, He knew. He knew someone will kill Him because He knew their hearts and their thoughts. But my question is this if nobody wanted to kill Him how would He save us?
Another question: does God WANT someone to SIN(like to kill INNOCENT person) in order to fulfill His goals?

 

[Alla27]

Another reason that HE had to be killed was because HE will avenge the deaths of every prophet from righteous Abel to Zechariah whose blood cries out to HIM from the ground...

is this God revelation? or is this your word?

In fact, as it is written by the parable, GOD finally and lastly sends HIS SON...and they said, what???
Here is the heir, let us kill HIM...

Yes, God knew that it will be people who will want to kill Christ. That is what He showed to Abraham. But what if they changed their minds? would God FORCE them to kill Christ?
Does God WANT someone to SIN in order to fulfill His goals?

 

[Alla27]

So, if Christ had to be killed by someone in order to save us then God wanted that someone would wanted to kill Him. God wanted that someone instead of being kind and merciful would be evil and angry.
Or God would have to force someone to kill Him.

 

[-57]

Is it necessary to be killed by someone in order to die?
I didn't say that Christ didn't have to die at all. I said it was not necessary that someone had to kill Jesus Christ so He could atone for our sins.
Of course, Jesus had to die so He would resurrect. But in order for Him to be resurrected and to save others He had to be without sin.

If Jesus only had to die..then we would need to rewrite Isaiah 53 and other verses.

 

[-57]

So, my question remains: if nobody wanted to take that sin upon himself and kill innocent man, how would Jesus save us from our sins?

You've asked this a couple times and got some replies....what is your answer?

 

[miknik5]

I don't remember how he addressed this issue. Could you tell me where exactly I can find this info? Thanks in advance.

I meant Paul
1 Corinthians 2

 

[miknik5]

Ok, He knew. He knew someone will kill Him because He knew their hearts and their thoughts. But my question is this if nobody wanted to kill Him how would He save us?
Another question: does God WANT someone to SIN(like to kill INNOCENT person) in order to fulfill His goals?

Really? I think you should contemplate both James understanding of The Father of Light as well spend some time in Philippians 4 as well

 

[miknik5]

So, if Christ had to be killed by someone in order to save us then God wanted that someone would wanted to kill Him. God wanted that someone instead of being kind and merciful would be evil and angry.
Or God would have to force someone to kill Him.

When did GOD ever force you to be kind or to be unkind?

Don't you know how to make a right judgement?

Don't you know how to discern the works wrought in GOD from the works that aren't wrought in GOD?

 

[danny ski]

Another reason that HE had to be killed was because HE will avenge the deaths of every prophet from righteous Abel to Zechariah whose blood cries out to HIM from the ground...

In fact, as it is written by the parable, GOD finally and lastly sends HIS SON...and they said, what???


Here is the heir, let us kill HIM...

Here's a challenge. Name the murdered prophets. Which Zechariah, btw?

 

[miknik5]

Here's a challenge. Name the murdered prophets. Which Zechariah, btw?

Only if you can tell me if JESUS has the right to say that HE will send "prophets" who will be killed for their witness

Here's a question, who will these "prophets" be witnessing to?

 

[miknik5]

zechariah. The one killed in the temple

Isn't that interesting to refeference the one killed within the temple?

 

[danny ski]

Only if you can tell me if JESUS has the right to say that HE will send "prophets" who will be killed for their witness

Here's a question, who will these "prophets" be witnessing to?

The accusation is that Jews killed their prophets(I don't know what's the deal with Abel), so name the prophets.

 

[miknik5]

The accusation is that Jews killed their prophets(I don't know what's the deal with Abel), so name the prophets.

What for? Can you name them even today? Since HE said HE would send prophets so that upon this generation will fall the guilt BLOOD of all the prophets