Mr./Ms. Muslim, I have a question for you.

[ALRAJY]

If you don't call on the name of Jesus, according to the Bible, you are not saved. You believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but yet you do not believe Jesus is the One sent to save the world from the Death and the Grave.

From an Islamic Prospect, It was the Message Of all the Prophets to Save People From Death & Grave, and this Occurs by Accepting the Acknowledgement Of the ALLAH, the Only True Creator, Because ALLAH, Has warned those who Don'es Accept this Message, a Hell Fire. Therefore, It was the Message Of those Propets to Save People From Hell Fire

 

[ALRAJY]

AL, on what basis is there to believe if atonement for sins has not occurred?

On what Basis is there to Believe that Attonement Of Sins Has Occured ?

 

[seed757]

Deren,

Dear brother...err ...or sister(?)

Your entire premise is completly wrong from the word go.

Please read the following for your own sake as well as for the brothers who have kindly answered your questions time and again.

I truly insist http://www.messiahtruth.com/atone.html

As for the Islamic position on the issue of atonement, the brothers have shown ample amounts of verses from the Quran as well as sayings from the hadith. It is obvious that the only thing needed for true atonement is to truly repent to your Creator of your wrongs, right the wrongs and offenses against others you have wronged and perform good and rightous deeds with the expressed intent of pleasing Allah. That is the payment. That is the price. Allah does not intend to over-complicate things for His servants in order to please Him.

So to sum up:

22:37It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.

Salaam.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

From an Islamic Prospect, It was the Message Of all the Prophets to Save People From Death & Grave, and this Occurs by Accepting the Acknowledgement Of the ALLAH, the Only True Creator, Because ALLAH, Has warned those who Don'es Accept this Message, a Hell Fire. Therefore, It was the Message Of those Propets to Save People From Hell Fire

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ and His is the only message that can SAVE.

Jesus was the only prophecied to be that Prophet and Savior, all the way back to Genesis. You intentionally say that muhammad was the Last Prophet of the Bible knowing full well that is False. Thus you are leading others away from the Only True One through which eternal life onc can receive. Peace.

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him, `Him of whom Moses wrote in the Law, and the prophets, we have found, Jesus the son of Joseph, who [is] from Nazareth;'

 

[Deren]

As for the Islamic position on the issue of atonement, the brothers have shown ample amounts of verses from the Quran as well as sayings from the hadith. It is obvious that the only thing needed for true atonement is to truly repent to your Creator of your wrongs, right the wrongs and offenses against others you have wronged and perform good and rightous deeds with the expressed intent of pleasing Allah. That is the payment. That is the price. Allah does not intend to over-complicate things for His servants in order to please Him.

Again, the Bible is quite clear that without the shedding of blood (i.e., atonement) there is no forgiveness of sins. Therefore, if what you're saying is true, how is the Islamic means to forgiveness any different than what Cain attempted to offer to God in the OT, or what any works-oriented system offers for that matter? In other words, if God requires a blood sacrifice to atone for sins, how is a bloodless performance on the part of the sinner going to lead to anything other than condemnation?

 

[ALRAJY]

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ

Anyone who Believes in the Only True GOD, the Creator Of Heavens & Earth is Considered a Son Of GOD, as the Bible Indicates

And His is the only message that can SAVE

What was His Message ?

AL, on what basis is there to believe if atonement for sins has not occurred?

On what Basis is there to Believe that Attonement Of Sins Has Occured ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ and His is the only message that can SAVE.

Jesus was the only prophecied to be that Prophet and Savior, all the way back to Genesis. You intentionally say that muhammad was the Last Prophet of the Bible knowing full well that is False. Thus you are leading others away from the Only True One through which eternal life onc can receive. Peace.

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him, `Him of whom Moses wrote in the Law, and the prophets, we have found, Jesus the son of Joseph, who [is] from Nazareth;'

Anyone who Believes in the Only True GOD, the Creator Of Heavens & Earth is Considered a Son Of GOD, as the Bible Indicates


What was His Message ?

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) John 14:6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;

 

[ALRAJY]

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me

I have Searched the Writtings, But I don't think you would Like to Hear what I think, So what His Message From you Point Of view ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ and His is the only message that can SAVE.

Jesus was the only prophecied to be that Prophet and Savior, all the way back to Genesis. You intentionally say that muhammad was the Last Prophet of the Bible knowing full well that is False. Thus you are leading others away from the Only True One through which eternal life onc can receive. Peace.

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him, `Him of whom Moses wrote in the Law, and the prophets, we have found, Jesus the son of Joseph, who [is] from Nazareth;'

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) John 14:6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;

I have Searched the Writtings, But I don't think you would Like to Hear what I think, So what His Message From you Point Of view ?

No you haven't. You admitted you haven't read most of the OT/OC.

 

[Deren]

On what Basis is there to Believe that Attonement Of Sins Has Occured ?

We have an OT record of blood sacrifices for the atonement of sins for starters, which were fulfilled in the NT, in the person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, returning to my question, on what basis is there to believe if atonement for sins has not occurred?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

We have an OT record of blood sacrifices for the atonement of sins for starters, which were fulfilled in the NT, in the person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, returning to my question, on what basis is there to believe if atonement for sins has not occurred?

I asked the muslims whether they could understand why Jesus was sent without reading the OT.
http://www.christianforums.com/t2915036-do-muslims-read-the-ot-oc.html

Can the muslims understand why God sent Jesus without reading the OT/OC? Peace.

Yes we can

 

[Deren]

I have Searched the Writtings, But I don't think you would Like to Hear what I think, So what His Message From you Point Of view ?

If you've searched the Scriptures, and Jesus asserts that they are about him, and yet you reject those same Scriptures which point to Jesus as the Savior who came to give his life as an atonement for sins, then just what alternative can you offer that is consistent with Jesus' assertions, when it contradicts him? I mean, so far you still have not presented a clear method to atone for the sins of humanity, while rejecting Jesus' blood sacrifice. Now, why is that if you've searched the Scriptures as you assert above?

 

[Deren]

I asked the muslims whether they could understand why Jesus was sent without reading the OT.
http://www.christianforums.com/t2915036-do-muslims-read-the-ot-oc.html

Well, from what I've seen thus far, it would appear that our Muslim neighbors not only have not read the OT very closely, if at all, and what they've read in the NT has been severely edited, whereby they are unable to connect the two. And part of that editing has left out one of the most important aspects of how God dealt with sin and its atonement. Perhaps with God's help they will eventually see this glaring lacuna, and accept his atonement that is only provided through his Son.

 

[ALRAJY]

We have an OT record of blood sacrifices for the atonement of sins for starters, which were fulfilled in the NT, in the person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, returning to my question, on what basis is there to believe if atonement for sins has not occurred?

Same Here You Have the OT, and We Have The Holy Qura'an Which Testifies that Without Believing In the Only One Creator Of Heavens & Earth, that:

1. He is Eternally Besought Of all
2. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
3. There is none Comparable Unto Him.

Then, there Is No Atonement Of Sins

 

[ALRAJY]

No you haven't. You admitted you haven't read most of the OT/OC.

I don't Mind Sharing Knowledge, So From your Readings, what was His Message ?

 

[seed757]

Ok deren, question for you.

Does blood go to heaven or does it fall to the ground?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ and His is the only message that can SAVE.

Jesus was the only prophecied to be that Prophet and Savior, all the way back to Genesis. You intentionally say that muhammad was the Last Prophet of the Bible knowing full well that is False. Thus you are leading others away from the Only True One through which eternal life onc can receive. Peace.

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him, `Him of whom Moses wrote in the Law, and the prophets, we have found, Jesus the son of Joseph, who [is] from Nazareth;'

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) John 14:6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;

Same Here You Have the OT, and We Have The Holy Qura'an Which Testifies that Without Believing In the Only One Creator Of Heavens & Earth, that:

1. He is Eternally Besought Of all
2. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
3. There is none Comparable Unto Him.

Then, there Is No Atonement Of Sins

So your Koran is deceiving others by saying Christ is not the mediator between God and man. Your Koran also lies about Christ being crucified and I guess you get help from the jewish religion on that since they are still awaiting on their own Moshiach.
Didn't muhammad have relations with jewish women btw?

Matt 28:12 and having been gathered together with the elders, counsel also having taken, they gave much money to the soldiers, 13 saying, `Say ye, that his disciples having come by night, stole him--we being asleep; 14 and if this be heard by the governor, we will persuade him, and you keep free from anxiety.' 15 And they, having received the money, did as they were taught, and this account was spread abroad among Jews till this day.

 

[ALRAJY]

So your Koran is deceiving others by saying Christ is not the mediator between God and man. Your Koran also lies about Christ being crucified and I guess you get help from the jewish religion on that since they are still awaiting on their own Moshiach.
Didn't muhammad have relations with jewish women btw?

After All what we Have been through, don't you think that we Should't use Such word ? You asked a Quesiton, and I answered you, No need to Swear at Each Other, Right ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The message was sent through God's Son, Jesus the Christ and His is the only message that can SAVE.

Jesus was the only prophecied to be that Prophet and Savior, all the way back to Genesis. You intentionally say that muhammad was the Last Prophet of the Bible knowing full well that is False. Thus you are leading others away from the Only True One through which eternal life onc can receive. Peace.

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him, `Him of whom Moses wrote in the Law, and the prophets, we have found, Jesus the son of Joseph, who [is] from Nazareth;'

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

(Young) John 14:6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;

So your Koran is deceiving others by saying Christ is not the mediator between God and man. Your Koran also lies about Christ being crucified and I guess you get help from the jewish religion on that since they are still awaiting on their own Moshiach.
Didn't muhammad have relations with jewish women btw?

After All what we Have been through, don't you think that we Should't use Such word ? You asked a Quesiton, and I answered you, No need to Swear at Each Other, Right ?

I didn't swear. But is it the Truth?

Matt 28:12 and having been gathered together with the elders, counsel also having taken, they gave much money to the soldiers, 13 saying, `Say ye, that his disciples having come by night, stole him--we being asleep; 14 and if this be heard by the governor, we will persuade him, and you keep free from anxiety.' 15 And they, having received the money, did as they were taught, and this account was spread abroad among Jews till this day.

 

[ALRAJY]

I didn't swear. But is it the Truth?

I believe It is