[moved] Where does God's Wrath begin in Revelation?

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God's wrath begins at the 7th trumpet:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The 6th seal depicts events that will occur at the 7th trump (the seals are glimpses of the future) from the perspective of the unsaved.

Sorry, Ewq, but that is really not the truth. The 6th seal depicts events of the 6th seal, and nothing else. John does not jump from just before the 70th week to the middle of the 70th week. That theory is myth. ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology will be proven wrong.

What you miss: the seals are sealing a BOOK: God's goal is to get the BOOK opened - but to do that He must open the seals first. ONce the seals are opened, then the BOOK is opened - to reveal the trumpet judgments. It is therefore impossible that ANY trumpet - even the first, has anything to do with any seal. The timing would be off. NO TRUMPET can be sounded (written inside the book) until all the seals are opened. Period and end of story.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, This is written in Greek as a Greek Aorist Active Indicitive Verb. Some experts say this type of verb shows NO tense or timing; others say it shows an event started and ended in the past. In ANY case, the 6th seal will be opened over 3 1/2 years before the 7th trumpet. And at the 6th seal is the first mention of wrath. Therefore I don't buy your theory. However, thanks for the input.

Please, think about this: the TRUTH about the seals is their purpose: to SEAL the book, not to look ahead to anything. Once a seal is opened, it is never mentioned again. Its purpose ended.
 
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Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


These appear to be all the passages in Revelation that specifically mention wrath. None of these passages appear to be meaning a time as early as the first trumpet though, therefore indicating God's wrath doesn't begin that early on.

If we use the seals as an outline of events where those events are in chronological order, then compare the following 2 seals, this too tends to prove that God's wrath doesn't begin as early as the first trumpet.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

A couple of things to note here. These martyrs are told to rest yet a little season, because it is not time for them to be avenged until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. As to their fellowservants also and their brethren, this is obviously meaning during the great tribulation, IOW, during the 42 month reign of the beast. And when we get to the 6th seal, it appears it is then time to avenge all of them, including the ones killed during the 42 month reign of the beast, the fact the 6th seal ends by declaring that the wrath of the Lamb has come.
First, thanks for answering.

Let's consider the PURPOSE for the seals: their purpose is to seal the book, so that it could not be opened (to reveal the trumpets or perhaps the entire 70th week) UNTIL the Person that seals the book is present to open them.

(I am convinced, Satan thought no one would EVER be able to conquer death and so prevail to be worthy to take the book and open the seals. Ultimately is the the seals opened that allow the trumpets that get Satan kicked off his throne.)

Since the book cannot be opened until all 7 seals are opened, then NO TRUMPET can be sounded until all seven seals are opened. Therefore the 6th seal will be opened before ANY trumpet. In truth, the 6th seal starts the Day of the Lord, then the 7th seal starts the 70th week.

Next, if we study chapters 4 & 5, they give us the context (think timing) of the first seal. Did you notice in chapter 5 that John (in the vision) got to see the moment that Jesus ascended and sent the Holy spirit down? Why would God show THAT in this book of the future? It is simple: God wanted to introduce John to the book with seven seals, but chose to start while the book was still in the hand of the Father - and that was just before Christ ascended. So God started this part of the vision with a throne room WITHOUT Jesus, a search for one worthy that ended in failure, the after time passed and Jesus rose from the dead, He WAS found worthy, to the time He ascended and sent the Holy Spirit down. Therefore the TIMING of the first seal is when Jesus ascended; right after telling the church "GO and make disciples of all nations." The first seal is the CHURCH sent out with the gospel.

Seals 2 -4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel. Seal five then, opened at the early church, is for the martyrs of the CHURCH AGE. They are told that judgment will not start until the LAST church age martyr has been killed. That means the rapture must be the very next event after the 5th seal. The 6th seal starts judgment and wrath.

Therefore, the mentions of wrath after the 6th seal START of His wrath is only showing God's wrath continuing.
 
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Unfortunately, there are some who get confused about the 7th trumpet, and think this is before the 42 month reign of the beast, rather than after it, the fact Revelation 13 is after chapter 11 rather than before it, maybe being one reason why, among others.
Brilliant deduction! Good!
 
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Here's a problem I have with that though. Rev 6:9 states about the 5th seal that it's persecution of the saints. That's tribulation for sure...but not wrath. God doesn't dish out his wrath upon the righteous Gen 18:23 so therefore the seals IMO can't be wrath. And then in Rev 7 it states the 144,000 are sealed and then the wrath. From what I see the trumpets and vials are the same.....but the seals are before the wrath of God.
That would be seals 1 through 5. Wrath then starts at the 6th seal. It is the DAY of His wrath.
 
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Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.


Does the first angel sound while they are already worshiping the beast per Revelation 13? Why this might matter is because of what it states during vial 1.

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Revelation 16:2 obviously can't precede the 42 month reign of the beast, since it makes zero sense to be pouring out the 1st vial on the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image, before they even have the mark, before they even worship his image. In order for the trumpets and vials to be the same, when the first trumpet sounds they have to already have the mark, they have to already be worshiping it's image. Can you show that all of this is already the case when the first trumpet sounds?
Again, brilliant! Good job!
 
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What is the probability of the world saying "peace and safety" during the great tribulation and at the end of it?

The wrath of the Lamb is at the end of the 7 years, and time has come for Jesus to take vengeance for the deaths of the great tribulation martyrs.

Well before then, the wrath of God begins when the Antichrist commits the Transgression of Desolation act, shattering the peace and safety illusion the Jews and the world will be saying for thinking he is the messiah.

What is the probability of the world saying "peace and safety" during the great tribulation and at the end of it?
NONE! ZILCH! NADA! Good deduction.

AS for the rest, I will stick close to the word: the DAY of His wrath starts at the 6th seal. Then the 70th week starts at the 7th seal. Then all the week is in God's wrath: every trumpet judgment and every vial judgment.
 
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They may have been out in the open until the following occurred...

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Can you imagine an event that moves every mountain, and island out of its place?


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Actually, the great earthquake and resulting tsunami that hit Japan a few years ago DID move ever moutain and island: it changed the axis of the earth by a few inches. Doing that moved EVERYTHING on the earth.
 
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Reading many of these post here on this thread, I see there are some who believe in some form of rapture for the saints during the tribulation. I wish it were true, but a thorough study of the subject doesn't support the teaching. If you have any doubts please consider the attached study.
Never, never, put your faith in the numbers of believers who believe as you do
as proof that what you believe is true. For many enter through the broad gate, but few the narrow gate.
Please do your do diligence in studying this issue.

Chapter 14 – a Rapture or the Second Coming?
Why not just study the scriptures that PROVE the rapture comes before wrath - and that the entire 70th week is wrath? It is all laid out plain and simple. John saw the raptured church IN HEAVEN (after the rapture) in Rev. 7 before any part of the 70th week. That is first hand eye witness!
 
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Actually, the great earthquake and resulting tsunami that hit Japan a few years ago DID move ever moutain and island: it changed the axis of the earth by a few inches. Doing that moved EVERYTHING on the earth.

The greatest earthquake in history is found in Revelation chapter 16, when He comes as a thief at Armageddon.

Notice the reference again to mountains and islands in verse 20.


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about seven years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

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John saw the raptured church IN HEAVEN (after the rapture) in Rev. 7 before any part of the 70th week. That is first hand eye witness!
What that belief is; is pure supposition, made to suit the pre-conceived belief of the 'rapture to heaven' theory.

Heaven is never mentioned anywhere in Revelation 7.
John's visions are all of earthly scenes, that vast multitude of Christians, are all of the faithful ones who have proved their faith, by standing strong during the just happened Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
 
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Brilliant deduction! Good!


The 7th trumpet clearly sounds during the 6th seal events. That obviously indicates that the first trumpet sounds before the 6th seal events.

At the end of the 6th seal they are seen hiding in caves in fear of their lives. And if the following, for example, is chronologically meaning after the events recorded in the 6th seal---Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth---where are the passages that show when they and how they come out of hiding in caves in order to fulfill this part?


Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

What I'm looking for are the verses that fit between these two passages showing when they and how they come out of hiding in caves in order to eventually fulfill what is recorded in Revelation 11:10. Unless you can produce that, then maybe you would be better off keeping your unnecessary sarcasm to yourself in the meantime.
 
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The greatest earthquake in history is found in Revelation chapter 16, when He comes as a thief at Armageddon.

Notice the reference again to mountains and islands in verse 20.


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about seven years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

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Are you confessing to all of us that you don't know the difference between every mountain moving and every mountain DISAPPEARING? There is a difference.
 
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The 7th trumpet clearly sounds during the 6th seal events. That obviously indicates that the first trumpet sounds before the 6th seal events.

At the end of the 6th seal they are seen hiding in caves in fear of their lives. And if the following, for example, is chronologically meaning after the events recorded in the 6th seal---Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth---where are the passages that show when they and how they come out of hiding in caves in order to fulfill this part?


Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

What I'm looking for are the verses that fit between these two passages showing when they and how they come out of hiding in caves in order to eventually fulfill what is recorded in Revelation 11:10. Unless you can produce that, then maybe you would be better off keeping your unnecessary sarcasm to yourself in the meantime.
The 7th trumpet clearly sounds during the 6th seal events.
Sorry, no. What you suggest is impossible: the trumpets are what is written inside the book and absolutely cannot come to pass until all seals are opened from the book. Just so you know, the 6th seal on the book is opened before the 7th and last seal. They are in order. the 7th seal shows the start of the Day of the Lord, or the day of His wrath. the 7th seal is only 30 minutes of silence - like a NON-event: it is the official start of the 70th week.
That obviously indicates that the first trumpet sounds before the 6th seal events.
This is just more myth: there is no even a HINT of such a thing. Now, if you can prove this by scripture, I am all ears.

The truth is, the 7th trumpet marks the MIDPOINT of the week, while the 6th seal comes before the week even begins.

How long do you imagine people will stay in caves? They have to DRINK. they will have to EAT. After the earthquake, and some little time after the sun turns dark and the moon into blood - in other words some little time after the effects of this seal are gone, things will return to normal: they always do. But it won't be long after that the first trumpet judgment will come: I suspect the first three trumpets are nuclear war.

What you miss: the story of the two witnesses is indeed written in chapter 11, but verses 4 through 13 are written as a parenthsis. Here is what will happen: just 3 1/2 days before the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is god (Dan. 9:27's abomination) the man of sin will move to jerusalem.(He must first BE in Jerusalem to enter the temple there.) He will come with Gentile armies who will trample the city for 42 months. the two witnesses show up then because HE, the man of sin just moved to Jerusalem: God will know exactly what he will soon do.

So they BEGIN to testify just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint and testify for 1260 days - which will take them to just 3 1/2 days before the END of the week. They are killed then and lay dead for those 3 1/2 days. they are then raised with all the rest of the Old Testament saints: at the 7th vial and ends the week.

Therefore, it is after the days of GT have ENDED (they will be shortened) that the world sends gifts to each other. They blamed the two witnesses for all the plagues.

As for people coming OUT of the caves: God did not show John every detail so of course he did not write it. Anyway, when the trumpets start, the signs at the 6th seal will be forgotten.
 
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What that belief is; is pure supposition, made to suit the pre-conceived belief of the 'rapture to heaven' theory.

Heaven is never mentioned anywhere in Revelation 7.
John's visions are all of earthly scenes, that vast multitude of Christians, are all of the faithful ones who have proved their faith, by standing strong during the just happened Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
Maybe not in so many words. But when it is written that they are before the throne, use your imagination: WHERE is God's throne? Isaiah saw it, Ezekiel saw it, and MANY of our generation have seen it. if you imagine His throne is just sitting on a cloud - well....most of the church don't: we believe the throne is the central theme of the Holy City and that Holy City is for now in heaven. You are of course free to believe anything. Oh, by the way, the mansions for the believers are there too! ;-)
 
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I guess you are marveling...
“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment” (Jn. 5:28-29).
I'm marveling at the fact that you stated that all the seals and such have no Purpose.
As to your view of the other... everyone has their opinion and the right to have it.
 
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Maybe not in so many words. But when it is written that they are before the throne, use your imagination: WHERE is God's throne? Isaiah saw it, Ezekiel saw it, and MANY of our generation have seen it. if you imagine His throne is just sitting on a cloud - well....most of the church don't: we believe the throne is the central theme of the Holy City and that Holy City is for now in heaven. You are of course free to believe anything. Oh, by the way, the mansions for the believers are there too! ;-)
So; you think its OK to add words to Revelation?

God's Throne, all the angels- heaven is where exactly in your belief?
Proof that it all can be seen from the earth if God wills it, is in Ezekiel 1:1 and Acts 7:56.
The vast multitude in Rev 7:9 will see it too, when they; every faithful Christian, goes to live in all of the holy Land, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

The 'houses' of John 14:1-3 are in heaven now, but we never go there to them, they come to us; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
 
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Brilliant deduction! Good!

Revelation is NOT in chronological order.
We see the END of the Revelation Beast in chapter 6
and in chapter 11 and in chapter 18 and in chapter 19

Those who think Revelation is in chronological order
are only demonstrating they do not understand the
book at all.

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The vast multitude in Rev 7:9 will see it too, when they; every faithful Christian, goes to live in all of the holy Land, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26


Right... this says all Christians will move to Israel. LOL
You never cease to amaze me with your fantasies

Rom 9:24-26
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also
of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto
them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children
of the living God.

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The 'houses' of John 14:1-3 are in heaven now, but we never go there to them, they come to us; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7


The QUESTION of this thread is when does God's Wrath
begin in Revelations.

The ANSWER is during the 1st Woe or 5th Trumpet

Rev 8:13
And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of
the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet
of the three angels, which are yet to sound!



Satan is "loosened" at the 5th Trumpet

Rev 9:1-2
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven
unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Rev 9:12
One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.


Rev 11:14
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Rev 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


During the First Woe Satan attacks all the Last Saints on earth
This is during the FIRST Revelation Beast



Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


So the answer to the QUESTION of the Thread:
When does God's Wrath Begin in the Revelation Beast?

It is during the 1st Woe or 5th Trumpet.
When Satan is loosened form the Pit [Rev 9:1] and
attacks the Last Saints... those who keep the commandments
of Jesus Christ.

God's Wrath continues during the 2nd Woe, which is also the
SECOND Revelation Beast and the Beast. The Second Beast
is destroyed BEFORE the end of the 2nd Woe.

That concludes God's Judgment on Satan's SPIRITUAL
Kingdom

At the Seventh Trumpet (3rd Woe) God brings Judgment
on Satan's physical/political "Kingdoms of Man"

That is the reason there is a time difference between
the Revelation Beast being cast alive into the Lake of Fire
[Rev 19:20] and the time when Satan and the people of
the world are thrown into the Lake TO JOIN THE BEAST
[Rev 20:10]


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