(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

[J Cord]

I'm not angry I'm just tired of foolery.

I can't disagree with you there.

I love how everyone likes to comment on my post about facts that happen today and I'm the past but no one comments on the folks that say we should be segregated.

On this forum you aren't allowed to call people out for their racism, unless they are very blatant about it. If you do, you will get kicked off.

This site is filled with fools. Wolf says, I would marry someone outside of my race most definitely but if you read everyone else post you'd realize I'm the only one that would be ok with that.

I married someone outside my race, that's why you'll see me speaking out against bigotry and racism where ever I can, my children have to deal with it. Luckily we live in Vancouver, Canada, and things are very good up here racially. Not perfect, but better than nearly everywhere else in the world. Walk around downtown and you will see more interracial couples than you can count.

The report states Canada is the “freest country in the world,” and most tolerant of immigrants globally. According to the index:

• 92 per cent of Canadians believe the country is a good place for immigrants,
• 92 per cent of people think the country is a good place for ethnic minorities,
• 94 per cent of Canadians believe they have the freedom to choose the course of their life.

I'm usually in threads discussing Trump, and bringing up his long well documented history of racism, and how he has now hired an advocate for White Supremacy to run his campaign. It's good to have you on board, we can definitely use another person on this forum who is against racism and bigotry.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

No one responded to my post. (sad face)
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ions-in-america.7963936/page-18#post-70115521

 

[rturner76]

Is this seriously a quote from the huffingtonpost? Just wondering why the -huffpo. They are as biased as news agencies can get,

I am white and I personally don't care if the POTUS is white, black, asain, or martian. I am tired of the painting with a large brush stroke.

I just quoted the article because it articulated something I couldn't find the words to say. I wasn't paying attention to the author. I put huffpo so nobody would think I wrote it myself (obviously). I did think huffpo was legit. I will have to investigate that.

I don't understand "painting with a large brush stroke." You mean the article's depiction of Republicans, racism, Obama, or what?

 

[Tull]

On this forum you aren't allowed to call people out for their racism, unless they are very blatant about it. If you do, you will get kicked off.

This forum contains many thin to the point almost transparency skinned people who will report you at the drop of a hat for the slightest offence of their delicate psyche,i cant help but wonder what these people will do when REAL trouble is just outside the door rather than the imagined threat of somebody saying something they don't like on the internet.

Disclaimer,this is not directed at any one individual but just an observation in the time I have been here.

 

[rturner76]

Haven't read all the posts but its simple.... do nothing. Do nothing because there are no race issues. Only trouble makers who stir the pot and MAKE it an issue. Those same trouble makers are the same ones who refuse to answer the bigger problem of so many blacks being killed due to other blacks. Something in their culture is not right. For another example lets look at gangs. We know they exist of course. But why do they exist? I mean.... it makes no sense. Why would someone need to start a gang just because someone from two blocks away walks down your street. Who cares who walks down your street. Its america, its freedom.

I disagree. There are race issues in America. Statistics say a college educated black man will make no more money than a high school educated white man. Qualified black job applicants are passed over every day for less qualified white applicants because the people doing the hiring are white and feel more familiar with the white applicants. That does go on every day.

However you are correct when you say blacks are killing other blacks. Organized crime has been an issue in the United States since it's inception. You have Italian,Irish, Russian, Chinese, and black gangs. The difference is the government cares not for the black neighborhoods. In the 1980's it was a proven fact the CIA was buying cocaine from South american cartels and selling it in black communities all over the United states. They took the profits and financed their personal wars all over South America Here is one of thousands of articles about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking

The black community has never recovered from that game.

I don't know if it was on purpose but there are many that say it was to intentionally destabilize the black community. I think it was just to make a lot of people rich. They sold drugs and guns to the gangs of the inner cities of the country,sat back,and let blacks kill each other and go to prison.

Once their culture is fixed, then we can focus on other issues.

It is true that black people have to work to do in their own communities. Reestablish the family unit. Single parent households are rampant with absentee fathers being the norm. Addiction, obesity,and high blood pressure is killing people all over not including the violence. There are problems politicians can't fix on their own. It's got to come from within the community.

ALOT of non-black people around the world were used as slaves at some point. Including italians. But you don't see me protesting about it. Because it was the past. Its a different world today. Its a modern civilized age (well mostly). Even the american indians have given up complaining about the past and they had it FAR worse then blacks did in america.


In the end racism is a choice. You are not born with it, you are taught it. So those blacks who are racist against whites and others.... you likely got it from the media you follow or the people that raised you. We are all born as loving innocent people. Its not until we are adults that we learn to hate.

There was this guy named Willie Lynch who was a slave owner. In 1712 in Virginia (he was from the West Indies), he wrote a manifesto on a method to keep blacks subjugated he said for at least another 300-1000 years. most of the letter can be found here. https://archive.org/stream/WillieLy...ch_letter_the_making_of_a_slave_1712_djvu.txt
It was a system for breaking slaves and destroying the family structure of black people. It worked and some say it continues to work today. Some VERY offensive language so be careful it was the 1700's word for black person in the south.

It's where the term "Lynching" cane from and his method of breaking slaves and destroying the minds of black people were adopted all over the south. The ills and symptoms of this system can still be felt today as I said, he stated in his letter the effects could last 1000 years. I wrotr all that to say that is why people "complain about slavery in the USA


Beyond all that,you'r right, racism is a choice. People learn it from the ones close to them, some learn it from a bad experience or like in the case of police brutality, many experiences. You are also right that hate is something that we learn and God willing we can unlearn it before too long

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I disagree. There are race issues in America. Statistics say a college educated black man will make no more money than a high school educated white man. Qualified black job applicants are passed over every day for less qualified white applicants because the people doing the hiring are white and feel more familiar with the white applicants. That does go on every day.

But one has to wonder. If it is true, why do they pay them less? Is it because they are racist? Or is it because they see how their culture acts and they assume they will be lazy uncaring workers? Not saying thats a reason to pay someone less of course. But usually when people stereotype someone else, they do so out of what they see.

My wife who came here two years ago, mind you I have told her nothing, already thinks negatively of alot of blacks. Whether it be coworkers, customers, friends. She says they tend to be loud, swear alot, listen to offensive music, can be lazy, cheat, steal...etc. Normally I'd say thats racist but since no one taught her that, she must have learned just from seeing it first hand.

Again, not all blacks are like that. I have plenty of black friends. And most agree that the black culture is what has caused many to seem "racist" towards them. Cause and affect. Mind you this friend grew up in the inner city with the shootings and what not. But yes, sadly because of all this people can be racist and have a negative stereotype of blacks. And yes, the cops do seem to be more aggressive with them now. Both sides needs to change at this point. Me? I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Wolf_Says]

I just quoted the article because it articulated something I couldn't find the words to say. I wasn't paying attention to the author. I put huffpo so nobody would think I wrote it myself (obviously). I did think huffpo was legit. I will have to investigate that.

I don't understand "painting with a large brush stroke." You mean the article's depiction of Republicans, racism, Obama, or what?

I mean everybody and everything. All whites are racism, all blacks are lazy, all asians grow up to be doctors, all white parents are doormats, all black parents basically abuse their kids, all mexicans are illegal, ect ect.

As long as people continue to pain over broad groups with a large brush instead of looking at them individually, nothing is ever really going to change.

People need to stop promoting the steroetypes and living in them, and break away from that. As I stated, enough from the black community saying "your not black" to people like my wife because she listens to screamo. Enough from the black community with people calling her a race traitor and a white mans harlot because she married me.

All this does is damage.

 

[Monk Brendan]

But, people are scared and unwilling to be confronted with such a thing. In reality, it may be useless, but that is a commentary on HUMANITY, not the quality of the thought experiment.

There are some things that cannot be changed, including handedness. Did you know that 400+ years ago, left handed people were suspected of being witches? The same with redheads. And the left-handed problem continues to this day when teachers attempt to get left handed kids to write with their right hands.

But the point I was trying to make is that there is not one rich person that is going to live in a shelter so that one minority family can live well. It is just not going to happen. It is not realistic to even dream that way.

Grow up!

 

[tatteredsoul]

There are some things that cannot be changed, including handedness. Did you know that 400+ years ago, left handed people were suspected of being witches? The same with redheads. And the left-handed problem continues to this day when teachers attempt to get left handed kids to write with their right hands.

Handedness can be LEARNED, unlike "racial identity." For example, I am ambidextrous BECAUSE I was born left handed, and was taught to write with my right hand.

You can't "un'be'" black, latino, white, asian, native..., especially in America. Since the respectivery ethnic groups have distinct physical features, and given how shallow people are, those people will always be recognized respective of their group.

You also don't see people being profiled, arrested, and killed for being left handed. In fact, you CA. still hide your handedness.

And, 400 years ago everyone was a witch. Christians were witches. If you floated to the top of the water with weights on you after being thrown in, you were a witch. If you didn't believe in God, you were a witch.

Oh, and hair can be dyed.

Good thing for black and native people 400 years ago, they were merely "animals and savages."

Did you know 55 years ago it was the norm to see black people being ripped to shreds by dogs, and hosed down in the middle of the street by POLICE?

55 is not old at all; this is why many people don't see serious problems with America as it is right now concerning race relations. Either the person, or parents were alive for those events.

But the point I was trying to make is that there is not one rich person that is going to live in a shelter so that one minority family can live well. It is just not going to happen. It is not realistic to even dream that way.

Grow up!

It isn't realistic because those people are fearful, unloving and incorrigible. It is as you quoted me saying.

I still have growing up to do, but certainly I am not ignorant of the blatant injustices in the world - especially in America.

 

[rainbow42]

Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Only Jesus Christ can and will solve this problem by purging those 'who hates his brother.'

 

[rainbow42]

I hope I read this correctly... So you want minorities to have the privilege whites have? You want the shoes to be on the other's foot and let those people walk in the others life for a while in the other's shoes ...right?

If that's the case I do feel we all need to see and feel each others plight... But taking turns being a " step child" so to speak isnt the way to go about it.... People know right from wrong when they see it...you get what I'm saying.. In a perfect world.. Anyone should just be able to say " I'm hurting and here's why" and people should be able to get that without making excuses or what have you..but of course we live in a broken world..

The only thing I ask is the playing field be leveled for everyone. That is all.

'Walk a Mile in My Shoes' by Joe South reflects exchanging roles.

 

[Lik3]

I have faith in God that things will get better.

Me too, but I doubt that. I guess this is coming from a black American, but that wouldn't necessarily be true. However, I have noticed that while things have changed somewhat here, it is the MSM who seemed to have gotten worse also when it seems to cover the issue of race and racism and how its narrative is more divisive than in the past.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

You have faith in God. But you doubt God.
That's why we're where we are now. We're suppose to be community in Christ, communing together as a body enlivening ourselves through the creator, and we doubt the creator.

I have faith in God that things will get better. amen: )
Me too. = I have faith in God
But I doubt it. = But I doubt God

Imagine if we didn't doubt but also didn't obsess about repeating our goodness and commitment to God all the time. What if we lived the scriptures as we are meant to, faults and all, and gave our choices and our life completely to God. Trusting it is a relationship and not idolatry that we're involved in now.

Now those of us who hold God and Jesus up, and call ourselves by their name.
What are we doing to live the good news that gave it a name ?


Be real.
That's what is a blessing I think.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Only Jesus Christ can and will solve this problem by purging those 'who hates his brother.'

Do elaborate please.

 

[RDKirk]

But one has to wonder. If it is true, why do they pay them less? Is it because they are racist? Or is it because they see how their culture acts and they assume they will be lazy uncaring workers? Not saying thats a reason to pay someone less of course. But usually when people stereotype someone else, they do so out of what they see.

My wife who came here two years ago, mind you I have told her nothing, already thinks negatively of alot of blacks. Whether it be coworkers, customers, friends. She says they tend to be loud, swear alot, listen to offensive music, can be lazy, cheat, steal...etc. Normally I'd say thats racist but since no one taught her that, she must have learned just from seeing it first hand.

Again, not all blacks are like that. I have plenty of black friends. And most agree that the black culture is what has caused many to seem "racist" towards them. Cause and affect. Mind you this friend grew up in the inner city with the shootings and what not. But yes, sadly because of all this people can be racist and have a negative stereotype of blacks. And yes, the cops do seem to be more aggressive with them now. Both sides needs to change at this point. Me? I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Your third paragraph conflicts with your second. I presume the blacks your wife has seen first-hand are your friends.

Otherwise, she's basing her opinion on second-hand reports (which includes news reports) that may or may not be reliable.

And if those reports conflict with what she sees in your black friends, then she should regard them as unreliable.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Shes going by blacks she seen in public. Or blacks we more or less known through facebook. The black friends I have don't act like what shes seen so I told her they were raised differently and thats why. Even they told her they were raised differently.

 

[RDKirk]

Shes going by blacks she seen in public. Or blacks we more or less known through facebook. The black friends I have don't act like what shes seen so I told her they were raised differently and thats why. Even they told her they were raised differently.

Well, this is going to sound harsh, but if she actually personally knows blacks who are "okay" then she has no excuse for painting us all with a broad brush based on people she does not know personally.

That is racism.

All groups can be divided by those who were raised "right" and those who were raised "wrong." Failing to make that distinction when one actually knows better by direct experience is the essence of racism.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Well she never said all blacks, just as I don't say all blacks because that would be racist for sure.

 

[Tull]

All whites or all blacks its all the same when you judge one by the whole.

 

[Monk Brendan]

In African slavery the slaves were not slaves for life. They worked off a debt and got their freedom. They were also treated humanely. European/African slavery was much more brutal with whipping and working slaves literally to death on the sugar plantations. Forensic evidence shows that muscle was separated from bone due to muscle strain. Also the children of the slaves were slaves for life and sold off in order to break family units apart. This was not done in Africa.

Really? Did you see the miniseries Roots--the original one, mind you? In that there were several scenes of black men torturing and selling blacks into permanent slavery, THEN transporting them to America.