(Moved) The law. Is it done away with? Is it, really?

[listed]

Is Yeshua our High Priest?
Is Yeshua from Levi?

You do the math.

Your agenda is showing.

You prove otherwise on both questions.

 

[listed]

I had really hoped that my repeated comment about salvation not being based on ethnicity would have been understood by now. Guess not.

Here's a question for all of you antinomians, what relationship does the Mosiac Covenant have with the Abrahamic Covenant?

Absolutely none.

 

[ralliann]

Here's a question for all of you antinomians,

What is anti nomian to you? Disagreement over what the law is and does, ought not be cause for calling someone anti nomian.

 

[faroukfarouk]

A more usual definition of what antinomianism is, is continuing in sin, that grace may abound (Romans 6.1).

 

[Bob S]

Antinomian: "a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel." as defined by the dictionary.

Absolutely no Christian is free from the moral law. The dictionary definition is a misnomer. We are free from all of the ritual laws in Torah. Morality is forever. Morality is a key ingredient of the law of love. The law of love is something we do out of love for Jesus and for ourselves.

 

[Dig4truth]

The point being made in that scripture!
The law made at Sinai could not disannul the promises made to Israel in the Abrahamic covenant......Read the law...It continuously speaks of Gods faithfulness to the fathers.
Examples
Passover, unleavened bread, etc. all his mercy by the previous covenant...
Ex 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Ex 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

The following speaks of his wrath (John the Baptist spoke of this wrath) concerning the prophetic utterance of God to Moses. It was already spoken (prophesied)before they ever entered the land...
dt 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?
18 And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.
19 Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

What saves them????? His faithfulness to keep his oath to Abraham.....His faithfulness, not Israels....
See...Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

Le 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
Le 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

It is not a good thing to take the things of the Abrahamic promises and make them by the law.

Bob S said in post #899, that the Covenant with Abraham was not with Israel. I think you two should talk.

 

[Dig4truth]

While it is true the covenant made with Israel includes the covenant made with Abraham, the covenant made with Israel was revoked as Jeremiah predicted and Jesus testified to the fact it was replaced.

bugkiller

You should talk with Bob S also, since he doesn't think the Abrahamic Covenant is with Israel.

 

[Dig4truth]

I'll save you some leg-work and quote it here;

"May I remind all that the covenant with Abraham was not part of the covenant made with Israel." Bob S post #899

 

[Dig4truth]

Antinomian: "a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel." as defined by the dictionary.

Absolutely no Christian is free from the moral law. The dictionary definition is a misnomer. We are free from all of the ritual laws in Torah. Morality is forever. Morality is a key ingredient of the law of love. The law of love is something we do out of love for Jesus and for ourselves.

Quote me from Scripture a division of moral and ritual law. Or is this a notion that was thought up to exclude any law that is inconvienent?

Where does it say that the "moral" laws are about love but the "ritual" laws are not?

Didn't Yeshua say that ALL the Law and Prophets are sumed up by love? Yes He did.

Where do you get your authority to divide the Word of God?

 

[ralliann]

Bob S said in post #899, that the Covenant with Abraham was not with Israel. I think you two should talk.

Perhaps....Maybe we should talk too! The Abrahamic covenant was made with the nations as well.....would you agree?

 

[Dig4truth]

Absolutely none.

Just a passing fad huh?

Sure, why would God's people need instruction on how to live a godly lifestyle?
Why would God tell His people what He expected from them? Anything goes now, right?

 

[Dig4truth]

Perhaps....Maybe we should talk too! The Abrahamic covenant was made with the nations as well.....would you agree?

You answer "perhaps" and then you want to have a conversation with me? Tell the truth and then maybe.

 

[ralliann]

Antinomian: "a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel." as defined by the dictionary.

Absolutely no Christian is free from the moral law. The dictionary definition is a misnomer. We are free from all of the ritual laws in Torah. Morality is forever. Morality is a key ingredient of the law of love. The law of love is something we do out of love for Jesus and for ourselves.

Of course...Since Moral law existed prior to Abraham.
As was told Israel, to keep the moral law of which the nations were judged by.....
Le 18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

 

[ralliann]

You answer "perhaps" and then you want to have a conversation with me? Tell the truth and then maybe.

Hey, I was simply answering your post to me. And I am unsure whether you recognize that the nations have promises as well in the covenant made with Abraham.
Ge 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

 

[Dig4truth]

Keeping the law issued at Sinai is synonymous with being a Jew. You are forbidden to keep it unless you submit to all of it.No because listed told you he believes all of the OT. This includes Jer 31:31-33.You cannot is the real reason.

bugkiller

You do know that is the same language that the Crusaders used as well as the Nazis, and anyone else who persecuted the Jews. "You are forbidden to follow your Law".

So, following your logic, then if you cannot follow the Law perfectly then you must not obey any of it. That is your point in case you don't recognize it unveiled.

And by the way, as it has been pointed out over and over here, there was a mixed multitude that left Egypt but all were joined to Israel. They were NOT all Jews. But they all were expected to obey God's instructions.

But apparently according to you God has changed. He no longer desires for His children to follow His teaching and instruction!

 

[Dig4truth]

You prove otherwise on both questions.

What in the world are you saying? That Yeshua is not our High Priest? That Yeshua is from the tribe of Levi? Sorry, but you make no sense.

 

[Dig4truth]

Of course...Since Moral law existed prior to Abraham.
As was told Israel, to keep the moral law of which the nations were judged by.....
Le 18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

Where do you find the divide between Moral law and ritual law in the Scripture?
Who gives you authority to divide the Word of God?

 

[ralliann]

Where do you find the divide between Moral law and ritual law in the Scripture?
Who gives you authority to divide the Word of God?

Paul is the authority on that. He spoke to Gentiles as well as Jews

 

[Dig4truth]

The Sinai covenant serves as an earthly shadow, to the Abrahamic covenant.

The Abrahamic Covenant was not an earthly Covenant?

What kind of stuff passes your test as biblical truth?

It certainly doesn't pass the test on your current position.

 

[Dig4truth]

Paul is the authority on that. He spoke to Gentiles as well as Jews

Ok, why didn't you supply the Scripture? That was what I ask for, remember?