christopheralan88
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The one flock
does not indicate Israel in any way. The one Shepherd is Jesus and not Israel. The Christian listens to the Shepherd as verse 5 says. There are some other very interesting statements by Jesus in this chapter. We have another proof text failure here. One body in what or Who? I read one body in Jesus. I do not read one body in Israel.It seems the highlighted part of the quoted text is ignored. The bolded one body part of the text indicates what is happening here is nothing more than a presentation of texts with one body easily found in any concordance. It is not proof that the gentile becomes part of Israel. Nothing more than a listing of verses with the word one body in them. The text says both Jews and Greeks are baptized into one body. It does not say Jews are Israel and Greeks become Israel. The "one body" is a concept picture of Christians, not Israel.Considering the discussion this is nothing more than a general off topic quote with the phrase "one body." The context of the chapter is clearly discussing the function(s) of the Church. The verse does not claim anything about being Israel.This verse says nothing about either group being or becoming Israel. Just another proof text failure.One what? I read one Lord, one faith and one baptism. I do not read one Israel. What does Mat 28 say?
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Where does the above say anything about teaching and requiring the law to be kept or becoming part of Israel? The above is in full compliance with the promise given to Abraham about blessing all nations. The above says nothing about becoming Israel.Thank-you for quoting this verse. What body does it say we are called into? I read Christ meaning Jesus Christ. I do not read we are called into Israel.We did I say or imply such a fool thing?I did not say Israel is rejected. That is not part of the discussion.They are graft into what? I read their own olive tree by the quoted verse. I fully understand "olive tree" is used to represent Israel. The discussion here is about the Root of the Olive Tree. The discussion of the subject is not Israel. The discussion is about Jesus, the Root. I have shown the Christian abides (lives) in Jesus and He in us by His own words found in John 15. This has been rejected. I wonder why.Not part of the discussion. At least not on my part I am discussing the Root, Jesus.Verse 12 says nothing about being part of the commonwealth of Israel. The verse also mentions being excluded from the covenants of promise meaning the covenants made wtih Abraham.
Verse 14 says the middle wall of partition was broken down. This wall of partition is the covenant made with Israel at Sinai which was for a limited time (Gal 3:19).
Verse 16 says nothing about being part of Israel.
Verse 19 says: but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
It does not say fellowcitizens of Israel. I believe I asked it to be considered who the saints are in Hebrews. My mistake. I should have asked about our elders are. I consider them as saints. Of course I am talking about the list in chapter 11 many of which are not part of Israel. NTL they are considered the righteous and referred to as saints by us these days. All prior to and including Abraham are not part (citizens) of Israel, yet are of the household of God.
bugkiller
So I guess what Jesus called the new covenant (testament) is being rejected.
bugkiller
Hey bugkiller,
I was on vacation for the beginning of this week, so I'm catching up on this thread now. Why do you say that what Jesus called the new covenant is being rejected? What are you referring to?
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