The name of this thread is a lie. Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.It matters because one reason some people are not Christians is they do not believe Mary was a virgin. If Jesus was conceived naturally with Joseph being his father, he would not be God in the flesh.
There is only one God the Father, but you have your own opinion.You have your god and I have my God---the 2 are not acquainted.
There is only one God the Father, but you have your own opinion.
You are mistaken if you think we believe that God the Father is the God of one planet only. Why are you always trying to tell us what we believe when you are oblivious to what we actually believe:Your teachings are that there is only One God the Father---of this planet. There are other gods of other planets all over the place out there. My God is the ONE AND ONLY GOD THE FATHER OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
Satan was not made in the way you assume:"All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." - John 1:3
-CryptoLutheran
You are mistaken if you think we believe that God the Father is the God of one planet only. Why are you always trying to tell us what we believe when you are oblivious to what we actually believe:
(Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:32 - 35)
32 And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.
33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.
You don't see your own inconsistencies or those of the Bible. This is a classic example of the pot calling the pan black.I know that LDS have issued a quite heavy program of minimizing what you actually believe to make it sound more Christian. Mormon writings are a classic example of "double-speak"---
“I will preach on the plurality of gods. I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see” (King Follett Discourse).
In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith said, “My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same. And when I get to my kingdom [godhood], I shall present it to my Father, so that he may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”
LDS will actually have 2 positions on most things and can thus quote passages that appear to be more Christian like in order to gain more converts and not to appear as they actually are.
There are many discrepancies between the BOM and what they actually believe. That was displayed on another thread recently.
They can quote this:
“I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity” (Moroni 8:18).
“For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles” (Mormon 9:9-10).
But will turn around and say that God changed His mind about polygamy and demanded it be practiced again---then He changed His mind and it no longer was to be practiced---but He might change His mind again.
They are consistently inconsistent.
You don't see your own inconsistencies or those of the Bible. This is a classic example of the pot calling the pan black.
(Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)LOL! So you agree you are inconsistent then---which are you--the pan or the pot?
The bible does not contradict itself---those that appear to be inconsistent, are not when read correctly---as for my own, name the examples, please.
(Old Testament | Jeremiah 26:13)
13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
3 The LORD repented for this: It shall not be, saith the LORD.
4 ¶ Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and, behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part.
5 Then said I, O Lord GOD, cease, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.
6 The LORD repented for this: This also shall not be, saith the Lord GOD.
1 FOR this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
There is only one God the Father, but you have your own opinion.
Yes they are one in purpose, God is plural.We have one God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirt are all One.
I have been showing you what your inconsistencies are.Not inconsistent---He says right there---amend your ways and He will repent--
No inconsistency---He answered a prayer.
Yes--that is mans inconsistency (memory fog) not God's. There is also that the rooster crowed 3 times others say 2 times.
Don't know what your trying to prove here.
Now, what are my inconsistencies?
Yes they are one in purpose, God is plural.
I used to be Mormon, but gratefully in name only. I got out of that church real quick, because I couldn't take their spirit anymore, they surely love bomb you from afar. But I fleeced those sucker's into paying my rent for 2 weeks, and I'll never return to those light destroyers anymore.Brigham Young, second prophet and president of the LDS church said,
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).
Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 51).
Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, page 218, 1857.)
Joseph Fielding Smith, stated:
"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit." (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44) as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Sal Lake City, Utah 84110, Bookstore at 1350 South West Temple. 1982, page 260).
Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, page 19)
Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 547.)
"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, page 742.)
Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,
"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211)
"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866) as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Sal Lake City, Utah 84110, Bookstore at 1350 South West Temple. 1982, page 261.
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I have been showing you what your inconsistencies are.
There was never a time when there was nothing:
(New Testament | John 1:1)
1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
God formed the planets out of matter that existed:
(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
(Old Testament | Proverbs 26:10)
10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:18)
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
(Old Testament | Jeremiah 33:2)
2 Thus saith the LORD the maker thereof, the LORD that formed it, to establish it; the LORD is his name;
Not one of the verses you quoted states that God made the universe out of nothing. It is a man made notion.How is your believe that God created out of existing matter----make my believe that God created out of nothing, my inconsistency??? You make zero sense there.
I've quoted all the verses that say God created from nothing--you refuse to accept them--your verses do not prove to me otherwise. So where is my inconsistency??
Not one of the verses you quoted states that God made the universe out of nothing. It is a man made notion.
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