LDS Mormons deny the virgin birth

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No, we can not make up our own God--- Satan as Moroni through JS does that! The God of the bible is love, pure and sinless and forever --love and light throughout the universe--not this horrific sinning forever that JS and Satan came up with!
Who gave us the plan of salvation?

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:7 - 10)

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

(New Testament | Luke 12:51 - 53)

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 
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Who gave us the plan of salvation?

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:7 - 10)

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

(New Testament | Luke 12:51 - 53)

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

After the resurrection, all of the evil of the world, or any other world, will be over. How evil of JS to want to perpetuate it.
 
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Your god is not one that I want, nor do I comprehend how anyone could want it. You god promises men they can have worlds to be gods of---and the endless cycle of sin and salvation is to be repeated in those worlds. Why do you want a god that gives worlds without number with more horrors of war, more children being raped and murdered, more stealing, avarice and this continual cycle of sin and salvation, only to be followed by more worlds riddled with sin? Your gods are gods of flesh and bones, the worlds offered have not the light of the presence of God, the ethereal God of love and light. Your god has levels of salvation where there are those who do not have the light of their god's presence.
The God of the scriptures, is an ethereal God of light and love that penetrates throughout the entire universe---there is not one single planet that His light does not shine ON ALL. His love and light casts out all sin forever, we will be able to go to all other worlds where the same love and light abounds, His presence being everywhere. There is no cycle of sin and salvation with the God of scripture---Jesus did it once for all---AFFLICTI0N WILL NOT RISE A SECOND TIME. I want nothing to do with a god that offers the darkness of sin to be repeated in countless other worlds. But then, your god can only offer what he himself is---the God of the scriptures offers what He Himself is also---love, light, truth, to shine upon all. Darkness can not offer light, that is all your god can offer, for he is the original darkness itself, which the God of the scriptures will wipe out forever! Moroni only appeared as an angel of light---he can't give light---the bible God is light, He is love--He will wipe out the darkness of sin forever---why do you want to continually have sin anywhere in the universe? That is the truth of what your god offers. That is the difference between your god and our God. Our God is all powerful, He creates from nothing, He saves totally and completely and for all time. He has no levels of salvation---all of His adopted children will bask in His light forever.
Why would you rather be a god of any world where sin will once again fill it and another savior has to die to save it? It makes no sense.
to mmksparbud:

You say that "He will wipe out the darkness of sin forever". You also say "all of His adopted children will bask in His light forever".

What about those children that would not be adopted, that hate God and Jesus and will not bow their knee and come to them? They will be in hell forever and ever? Since God is not going to be with them, shedding his love light on them, sin will abound there for ever and ever, along with a torture of being in fire and brimstone and feeling the pain of the fire and not being able to die and stop it for ever and ever.

How many worlds innumerable has God created that will have adopted children basking in his light, and other children that chose not to be adopted, that will continue to live in sin, that are being tortured in hell for eternity?

Apparently, per the bible, hell is a place where sin will abound for ever, where the light of God is not.

So you need to rethink your after-earthlife surroundings?
 
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to mmksparbud:

You say that "He will wipe out the darkness of sin forever". You also say "all of His adopted children will bask in His light forever".

What about those children that would not be adopted, that hate God and Jesus and will not bow their knee and come to them? They will be in hell forever and ever? Since God is not going to be with them, shedding his love light on them, sin will abound there for ever and ever, along with a torture of being in fire and brimstone and feeling the pain of the fire and not being able to die and stop it for ever and ever.

How many worlds innumerable has God created that will have adopted children basking in his light, and other children that chose not to be adopted, that will continue to live in sin, that are being tortured in hell for eternity?

Apparently, per the bible, hell is a place where sin will abound for ever, where the light of God is not.

So you need to rethink your after-earthlife surroundings?

I do not believe that there is an everlasting burning hell---there is a lake of fire to which all those sinners that do not wish to accept the protective power of the shed blood of Jesus will not have it to protect them from the devouring fire which is a pure and Holy God---sin can not live in the presence of a sinless God.


Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

His pure love and light will go into the very depths of hell and it, too, will be destroyed.

Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
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After the resurrection, all of the evil of the world, or any other world, will be over. How evil of JS to want to perpetuate it.
Many have already been resurrected and the plan continues. The plan of salvation is also called the plan of happiness. Why would anyone not like God's plan? We all shouted for joy at God's plan:

(Old Testament | Job 38:4 - 41)

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

Can you answer these questions? Here is another, Why did God do all of the things He did? I believe I know the answer to this question:

(Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:37 - 39)

37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.
38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come, and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
 
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I do not believe that there is an everlasting burning hell---there is a lake of fire to which all those sinners that do not wish to accept the protective power of the shed blood of Jesus will not have it to protect them from the devouring fire which is a pure and Holy God---sin can not live in the presence of a sinless God.


Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

His pure love and light will go into the very depths of hell and it, too, will be destroyed.

Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You do not believe in everlasting burning hell, but yet you quote a scripture that testifies of everlasting burnings? I don't get what you are saying?

If there is a lake of fire that people are thrown into, you will have pain and misery for ever and ever for an innumerable (trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, etc., etc., etc of people).

IOW it is not going to be a universe full of love and light and candy and princesses. Some, who listen to what Jesus said, and follow him, will enjoy the afterlife with great joy, with the light of Christ in them for ever and ever. That is true.

But to say there will be no more sin, is not true. Where God is not, sin abounds. In hell and where satan is, God will not be (end death) and sin will certainly abound forever.
 
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Many have already been resurrected and the plan continues. The plan of salvation is also called the plan of happiness. Why would anyone not like God's plan? We all shouted for joy at God's plan:

(Old Testament | Job 38:4 - 41)

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

Can you answer these questions? Here is another, Why did God do all of the things He did? I believe I know the answer to this question:

(Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:37 - 39)

37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.
38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come, and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

Pearl of Great Price is a fake pearl.

Those are all rhetorical questions---meaning---Job was not there. The angels of God were---created beings, not some sort of spiritual children that would become human---read it again without JS and Moroni/Satan whispering error in your ear.

We will be given immortality at the resurrection--we have the promise of it now, but our bodies are changed at the resurrection.

Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The truth and the true light of God is in His word, JS offers a false, powerless god. Ours creates from nothing--through the power of His voice. Yours can't offer freedom from sin, ours does.
 
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You do not believe in everlasting burning hell, but yet you quote a scripture that testifies of everlasting burnings? I don't get what you are saying?

If there is a lake of fire that people are thrown into, you will have pain and misery for ever and ever for an innumerable (trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, etc., etc., etc of people).

IOW it is not going to be a universe full of love and light and candy and princesses. Some, who listen to what Jesus said, and follow him, will enjoy the afterlife with great joy, with the light of Christ in them for ever and ever. That is true.

But to say there will be no more sin, is not true. Where God is not, sin abounds. In hell and where satan is, God will not be (end death) and sin will certainly abound forever.

Read it again!! Do you not know anything about the true God?

Exo_24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.
Isa_29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isa_30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
Isa_30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

There is no everlasting helfire where anyone is tortured forever. God is a devouring fire to the unsaved! For the saved--His fire is as the fire in the fiery furnace of Daniel's friends, as in the burning bush- that Moses saw---The blood of Jesus protects the saved from this:

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

ev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

There wull be no more tears, no more pain---if there were an everlasting burning hell---there would still be tesrs, still be poain---all those asre wiped away---there is no hell where the lost are tortured forever---it is a figure of sopeach---it means eternasl death, it is eternal p;unishment---not eternal punishing. The lost pay according to their works--and are no more.

Rev_20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Eternally burning is not according to their works---with that everyone would be paying the same price.

 
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Pearl of Great Price is a fake pearl.

Those are all rhetorical questions---meaning---Job was not there. The angels of God were---created beings, not some sort of spiritual children that would become human---read it again without JS and Moroni/Satan whispering error in your ear.

We will be given immortality at the resurrection--we have the promise of it now, but our bodies are changed at the resurrection.

Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The truth and the true light of God is in His word, JS offers a false, powerless god. Ours creates from nothing--through the power of His voice. Yours can't offer freedom from sin, ours does.
You said Job was not there, are you saying he was not a son of God? We were all there but we can't remember. Read the book https://www.amazon.com/Souls-Rememb...l's+remembrance&qid=1559153174&s=books&sr=1-1
Angels are spirits:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:13 - 14)

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Yes our bodies will be changed, they will be spiritual bodies:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:35 - 58)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 
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Pearl of Great Price is a fake pearl.

Those are all rhetorical questions---meaning---Job was not there. The angels of God were---created beings, not some sort of spiritual children that would become human---read it again without JS and Moroni/Satan whispering error in your ear.

We will be given immortality at the resurrection--we have the promise of it now, but our bodies are changed at the resurrection.

Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The truth and the true light of God is in His word, JS offers a false, powerless god. Ours creates from nothing--through the power of His voice. Yours can't offer freedom from sin, ours does.
How do you know so much about the created beings called the angels of God? These angels are in a spirit form, and how do you know all that they do. So they are certainly spirit children of God who created them. How do you know that they don't eventually come to earth as humans?

You cannot say that absolutely, not knowing all there is to know about the angels of God.
 
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Jesus did keep his resurrected heavenly celestial body of flesh and bone and it is clear from the Bible that the three persons of the Godhead are separate and distinct persons

Small nitpick: They are distinct, but never separate.

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You said Job was not there, are you saying he was not a son of God? We were all there but we can't remember. Read the book https://www.amazon.com/Souls-Remembrance-Roy-Mills-ebook/dp/B008ROO4LW/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3IvNlarB4gIVjbrACh2hBgF_EAAYASAAEgK6XvD_BwE&hvadid=241900399677&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9052497&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13478273328075567480&hvtargid=aud-646675773986:kwd-1924426958&hydadcr=22562_10346325&keywords=the+soul's+remembrance&qid=1559153174&s=books&sr=1-1
Angels are spirits:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:13 - 14)

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Yes our bodies will be changed, they will be spiritual bodies:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:35 - 58)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

No---we did not exist before being born. No---Job was not there, that was the whole point of the questions God asked him. And no, sin will not continue. Our God will wipe all misery away. I know your god can't. He has to keep it going.
 
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No---we did not exist before being born. Mo---Job was not there, that was the whole point of the questions God asked him. And no, sin will not continue. Our God will wipe all misery away. I know your god can't. He has to keep it going.
I think you are mistaken about our beliefs if you think that we believe in reincarnation.
 
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I think you are mistaken about our beliefs if you think that we believe in reincarnation.

You can call it whatever you want. You believe that we existed before being born, and have to become human to learn how to avoid sin.
re·in·car·na·tion
[ˌrēənkärˈnāSH(ə)n]
NOUN
  1. the rebirth of a soul in a new body.
    synonyms:
    rebirth · transmigration of the soul · metempsychosis · samsara · transanimation
    • a person or animal in whom a particular soul is believed to have been reborn.
      "he is said to be a reincarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu"
    • a new version of something from the past.
      "the latest reincarnation of the hippie look"
 
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You can call it whatever you want. You believe that we existed before being born, and have to become human to learn how to avoid sin.
re·in·car·na·tion
[ˌrēənkärˈnāSH(ə)n]
NOUN
  1. the rebirth of a soul in a new body.
    synonyms:
    rebirth · transmigration of the soul · metempsychosis · samsara · transanimation
    • a person or animal in whom a particular soul is believed to have been reborn.
      "he is said to be a reincarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu"
    • a new version of something from the past.
      "the latest reincarnation of the hippie look"
We also believe that Jesus existed before He was born and that He is our brother as evidenced in the Bible:

(New Testament | John 8:58)

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

(New Testament | John 17:24)

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

We only live on the earth once:

(New Testament | Hebrews 9:27)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 
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We also believe that Jesus existed before He was born and that He is our brother as evidenced in the Bible:

(New Testament | John 8:58)

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

(New Testament | John 17:24)

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

We only live on the earth once:

(New Testament | Hebrews 9:27)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Apples and oranges---Jesus was God before being born--we never were. Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting. We have to acquire our immortality from God as a gift---He gets His by His own right.
He is our brother by virtue of having been made human by the Holy Spirit. We are human by birth to humans, we are the gift of God to our parents. Jesus is the one who created everything and no brother to us before His incarnation, and certainly no brother to Satan for Jesus created him. The Godhead alone is immortal.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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Apples and oranges---Jesus was God before being born--we never were. Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting. We have to acquire our immortality from God as a gift---He gets His by His own right.
He is our brother by virtue of having been made human by the Holy Spirit. We are human by birth to humans, we are the gift of God to our parents. Jesus is the one who created everything and no brother to us before His incarnation, and certainly no brother to Satan for Jesus created him. The Godhead alone is immortal.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
God the Father is the Father of spirits as mentioned in the Bible. Jesus did not create Satan he is a son of the Father:
(Old Testament | Job 1:6)

6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

(Old Testament | Job 2:1)

1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Can Satan fool the Lord? I guess you think he can.

You said " The Godhead alone is immortal."
Before you get too carried away here, we need to examine the context of this scripture in regard to the other scriptures on the Bible including this one:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 1:10)
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

We also know from the Bible that angels are immortal, so are the spirits of men, and so will be the spiritual resurrected bodies of men. however neither of these have immortality of themselves, they have it from God; who is the only who has it of himself.
 
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God the Father is the Father of spirits as mentioned in the Bible. Jesus did not create Satan he is a son of the Father:
(Old Testament | Job 1:6)

6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

(Old Testament | Job 2:1)

1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Can Satan fool the Lord? I guess you think he can.

You said " The Godhead alone is immortal."
Before you get too carried away here, we need to examine the context of this scripture in regard to the other scriptures on the Bible including this one:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 1:10)
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

We also know from the Bible that angels are immortal, so are the spirits of men, and so will be the spiritual resurrected bodies of men. however neither of these have immortality of themselves, they have it from God; who is the only who has it of himself.

Like it or not---Jesus created everything!--that includes Satan! There is no immortality of the soul--you will never find those 2 words written together. That is a philosophy that crept in from the Greeks. Even Adam and Eve required the tree of life and had to be thrown out of the garden to prevent them from eating of it and living forever.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

We get that tree of life back after the resurrection.

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Again:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

All created beings are called the children of God. Angels are no more immortal than man. The fallen angels will have their time in the lake of fire and be destroyed.

We have the promise of immortality now--it will be given at the resurrection. It is the gift of God, not a right by birth as with Jesus.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Like it or not---Jesus created everything!--that includes Satan! There is no immortality of the soul--you will never find those 2 words written together.

If you say: because I do not find the words "immortality of the soul" written in the bible, I do not believe it, then you must not believe the 'Trinity', because you do not see that word written anywhere in the bible either.

But let's get serious, SDA does not believe in the immortality of the soul? I would think that would be the centerpiece of your doctrine, like all Christian churches.

Isn't life after death the centerpiece of the "good news"?
 
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If you say: because I do not find the words "immortality of the soul" written in the bible, I do not believe it, then you must not believe the 'Trinity', because you do not see that word written anywhere in the bible either.

But let's get serious, SDA does not believe in the immortality of the soul? I would think that would be the centerpiece of your doctrine, like all Christian churches.

Isn't life after death the centerpiece of the "good news"?

The truth of the Trinity, though not called that--is all over the bible. The immortality of the soul is not. It is of Greek origin. Jesus said it best--
Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The body and soul of the sinner will be destroyed in the fire of God. I know that is not the teaching of most churches, but many others besides ours do not believe in an everlasting burning hell where souls are tortured forever. There is life after death---after the resurrection. We do not believe in going to hell or heaven at death. When Jesus returns--His reward is with Him. His reward is eternal life for all the saved---in His presence forever. The judgment of the wicked takes place after the 1000 years. Makes no sense to get your reward before the decision of the judgement is reached. Jesus is now our high priest, that is what He is doing now---presenting His blood to God for atonement for the saved. When He is finished---then the end will come.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

When He is done the final choice will have been made---there will be nor more time for anyone---their eternal choice will have been made:

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 
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