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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Christian Apologist, May 18, 2019.

  1. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    The name of this thread is a lie. Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.
     
  2. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    There is only one God the Father, but you have your own opinion.
     
  3. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    Your teachings are that there is only One God the Father---of this planet. There are other gods of other planets all over the place out there. My God is the ONE AND ONLY GOD THE FATHER OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
     
  4. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." - John 1:3

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  5. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    You are mistaken if you think we believe that God the Father is the God of one planet only. Why are you always trying to tell us what we believe when you are oblivious to what we actually believe:

    (Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:32 - 35)

    32 And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.
    33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
    34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
    35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.
     
  6. He is the way

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    Satan was not made in the way you assume:

    (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:19 - 37)

    19 I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.
    20 For if you keep my commandments you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified in me as I am in the Father; therefore, I say unto you, you shall receive grace for grace.
    21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;
    22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
    23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
    24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
    25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
    26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
    27 And no man receiveth a fulness unless he keepeth his commandments.
    28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things.
    29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
    30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
    31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
    32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the light is under condemnation.
    33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
    34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.
    35 The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple.
    36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
    37 Light and truth forsake that evil one.
     
  7. mmksparbud

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    I know that LDS have issued a quite heavy program of minimizing what you actually believe to make it sound more Christian. Mormon writings are a classic example of "double-speak"---

    “I will preach on the plurality of gods. I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see” (King Follett Discourse).

    In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith said, “My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same. And when I get to my kingdom [godhood], I shall present it to my Father, so that he may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”

    LDS will actually have 2 positions on most things and can thus quote passages that appear to be more Christian like in order to gain more converts and not to appear as they actually are.
    There are many discrepancies between the BOM and what they actually believe. That was displayed on another thread recently.

    They can quote this:

    “I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity” (Moroni 8:18).

    “For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles” (Mormon 9:9-10).

    But will turn around and say that God changed His mind about polygamy and demanded it be practiced again---then He changed His mind and it no longer was to be practiced---but He might change His mind again.

    They are consistently inconsistent.
     
  8. He is the way

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    You don't see your own inconsistencies or those of the Bible. This is a classic example of the pot calling the pan black.
     
  9. mmksparbud

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    LOL! So you agree you are inconsistent then---which are you--the pan or the pot?

    The bible does not contradict itself---those that appear to be inconsistent, are not when read correctly---as for my own, name the examples, please.
     
  10. He is the way

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    (Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)

    19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    (Old Testament | Jeremiah 26:13)

    13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

    (Old Testament | Amos 7:3 - 6)

    3 The LORD repented for this: It shall not be, saith the LORD.
    4 ¶ Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and, behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part.
    5 Then said I, O Lord GOD, cease, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.
    6 The LORD repented for this: This also shall not be, saith the Lord GOD.

    The New Testament contains several accounts of Paul’s vision while on the road to Damascus. Acts 9:7 says that Paul’s companions at the time also heard a voice, while Acts 22:9 states that they saw a light but heard not the voice.

    (New Testament | Hebrews 7:1 - 3)

    1 FOR this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
    2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
    3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
     
  11. mmksparbud

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    Not inconsistent---He says right there---amend your ways and He will repent--

    No inconsistency---He answered a prayer.

    Yes--that is mans inconsistency (memory fog) not God's. There is also that the rooster crowed 3 times others say 2 times.

    Don't know what your trying to prove here.

    Now, what are my inconsistencies?
     
  12. ChristianForCats

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    We have one God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirt are all One.
     
  13. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Yes they are one in purpose, God is plural.
     
  14. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Complex Mormonism:

    The universe is ruled by one godhead (three gods). Other gods have other universes.
    Men who achieve godhood don't inherit planets already in existence; they form (from preexisting matter) their own planet(s).

    D&C 130
    18 Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection.
    19 And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come.
    Doctrine and Covenants 130
     
  15. He is the way

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    I have been showing you what your inconsistencies are.

    There was never a time when there was nothing:


    (New Testament | John 1:1)

    1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


    God formed the planets out of matter that existed:

    (Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

    2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

    (Old Testament | Proverbs 26:10)

    10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

    (Old Testament | Isaiah 45:18)

    18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

    (Old Testament | Jeremiah 33:2)

    2 Thus saith the LORD the maker thereof, the LORD that formed it, to establish it; the LORD is his name;
     
  16. ChristianForCats

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    Actually there are three different purposes. Jesus alone is our Savior, not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together. The Holy Spirit came down as a dove after Jesus ascended to heaven IIRC. The Father answers our prayers and is the Creator of all things. So there is a plurality in both what God does and the Persons, but only One God.
     
  17. BioLeap

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    I used to be Mormon, but gratefully in name only. I got out of that church real quick, because I couldn't take their spirit anymore, they surely love bomb you from afar. But I fleeced those sucker's into paying my rent for 2 weeks, and I'll never return to those light destroyers anymore.
     
  18. mmksparbud

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    How is your believe that God created out of existing matter----make my believe that God created out of nothing, my inconsistency??? You make zero sense there.

    I've quoted all the verses that say God created from nothing--you refuse to accept them--your verses do not prove to me otherwise. So where is my inconsistency??
     
  19. He is the way

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    Not one of the verses you quoted states that God made the universe out of nothing. It is a man made notion.
     
  20. mmksparbud

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    All the verses point to creation from nothing--you refuse to accept them for that contradicts your prophets. And your prophets will always be listened to instead of the word of God. I know your god can't, but our God can and did. It is the notion that matter was here before the world was created that is man made---an old theory of evolution that even modern science no longer believes, and I already gave you those quotes which you conveniently ignored. And how that matter got here is another old evolutionary theory that it just always did! Even modern science says it's from nothing.
    Again--how does your believe of preexisting matter make my believe of creation from nothing---my inconsistency? I have always maintained it.
     
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