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Those verses were not to support coming to Christ---but to point out the fact that scripture states that the Father and the Son will both be on the new earth and not---according to LDS doctrines, that the Father will only be somewhere where only those in exaltation can be with Him.
No part of my response either agreed or disagreed with giving "essentially 1/3 billing to your Faith in Christ." That is something that you made up on your own. Why not respond to my actual comments?
And I have already stated what the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe about "Coming unto Christ." I believe it was clear and understandable.
Like I said previously in this thread. I don't do the whole "what Mormons believe" thing. I deal with our actual doctrine and what I believe. Feel free to post scripture to support your claims, but whatever you may, or may not, have done in regards to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not my concern and neither is it proof against our beliefs. It only means that is what you did.
And it still seems to be unrelated to the topic.
Again, I'm not responsible for what other people have told you, what you have chosen to believe, or any other variant of the same. Let's deal with the actual doctrine.
I'm pretty sure I'm not in the position of telling anyone on this forum whether they are right or wrong here. I believe that is the job of the moderators. Or did you mean to say that I'm arguing from a point where I am telling you that you are right or wrong? In that case, I'd like you to point out where I did that?
Ahh! Then perhaps you meant those verses for someone else. I've been discussing what members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe about "Coming unto Christ." I'm currently not interested in participating in a discussion about the new earth.
Of course, I certainly want to encourage you to engage others in this thread to discuss the topic with you. I'm only indicating that I'm not interested. Thanks, for including me though.
That is incorrect. The church of the Lamb of God is in Salt Lake City. It's also in Rome. And Berlin. The church of the Lamb of God exists in many places. It exists everywhere where people have been taught about Jesus and have accepted Him as their savior.
Allow me to quote our doctrine concerning the two churches. "The entity identified by John as “Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations” is the church of the devil. This church encompasses all forces opposed to Jesus Christ, His gospel, and His Church, for there are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil."
The doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not identify any Christian denominations to be part of the forces of the devil who are opposed to Jesus Christ. Anyone who persists to claim otherwise is not addressing our doctrine. Twisting, or otherwise changing, our doctrines might make for an easier target to attack, but it does nothing in the way of refuting our actual beliefs.
I recognize that responding to your comments takes the discussion away from the topic, but in this case, I thought it was a good opportunity to trot out my dimensional analogy again.
The topic of there being only two churches does a great job of illustrating the two-dimensional level of my analogy. At this level, everything is divided into good and evil. Everything is either one thing or another. Good and evil. God and the devil. Wheat and tares. The Church of the Lamb of God and the church of satan. And most importantly to this topic, the two-dimensional level of my analogy separates those who have "Come unto Christ" from the unbelievers.
All anyone has to do to truly understand what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints accepts as doctrine on this matter is to apply the items I mentioned earlier in the thread to the points that are being made. If you fit into the category that I defined as "Coming unto Christ" then you are in the Church of the Lamb of God. If a city has people who have "Come unto Christ" then the Church of the Lamb of God exists in that city.
But what your are NOT telling us and admitting to is this;
Faith is the key word and in your testimony you have to state and identify what elements you believe in or "know to be true"
Christ, of course
Your prophet Joseph Smith and/or your current prophet
And then the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Why should Christ share one's Faith? After all He is the way, not also through a prophet and a worldly church that happens to have it's headquarters in SL City.
There is NO disputation in what I said.You dispute your own BoM
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10
And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.
(New Testament | John 14:21 - 23)John 15:9
[ Love and Joy Perfected ] “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
It has everything to do with eternity.What has that to do with being eternally sealed in a Mormon temple in order to be in the presence of the Father??? This is in this world, and even here, we do not have to be married. With salvation, we are all married to Christ.
I do know.I was no longer Mormon in 2013, but a letter was sent out that year:
For our monthly testimony meetings, the First Presidency has asked that we “learn to express a brief, heartfelt testimony of our Father in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ, and the truths of the restored gospel” (First Presidency letter, Feb. 14, 2013).
If you belong to that church, you most certainly ought to believe that it is the restored Church of Christ, that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the current prophet is also chosen by God, etc. And instead of saying "I believe this" the member says "I know."
I was no longer Mormon in 2013, but a letter was sent out that year:
For our monthly testimony meetings, the First Presidency has asked that we “learn to express a brief, heartfelt testimony of our Father in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ, and the truths of the restored gospel” (First Presidency letter, Feb. 14, 2013).
If you belong to that church, you most certainly ought to believe that it is the restored Church of Christ, that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the current prophet is also chosen by God, etc. And instead of saying "I believe this" the member says "I know."
Would it be reading too much into things to notice how this formulation (often carried over into the Mormon testimonies I've seen) seems to have replaced belief in the Holy Spirit with belief in the 'restored gospel'? For all the emphasis Mormons tend to put on the Holy Spirit when talking about how their testimony is arrived at/confirmed, it seems odd to me that there is so seldom any mention of Him in these contexts.
There is NO disputation in what I said.
1 John 4:19(New Testament | John 14:21 - 23)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Jesus has already taught us who the sheep and the goats are.And there is NO disputation in what I said. You get all you so-called facts and beliefs from Joseph Smith--I get mine from the Bible and Christ. We both stand before Christ in the End, who is the sheep and who is the goat?
Christ taught us about LOVE when He gave the parable of the good Samaritan:1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us
How would one know what love is, if you did not address what God in Christ did for you? You think you can force this love, without using His example?. It really can be a mere word if you do not understand what Christ did for you.
The verses you quote are merely directives, once one realizes from Christ's EXAMPLE of what love is. Here is another example of love
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
I do know.
Seems you are trying to deny or cancel out one verse in the Bible. He was only giving an example of this love He first brought onto the scene.Christ taught us about LOVE when He gave the parable of the good Samaritan:
(New Testament | Luke 10:33 - 37)
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
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