Moon it's own source of light

[Tom 1]

So the moon who is putting off enough light to easily illuminate these clouds 230,000+ miles away. That light would not be seen as engulfing any object on the moons surface in reflected light.

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If someone shone a bright light at you from a kilometre away on a completely dark night, would you perceive it in the same way as you would in the middle of the day, in bright sunlight? If not, why not?

 

[JacksBratt]

If someone shone a bright light at you from a kilometre away on a completely dark night, would you perceive it in the same way as you would in the middle of the day, in bright sunlight? If not, why not?

Tom 1, if you know about light and shadows so much, explain how a moon, that is supposedly 3500 km in diameter, casts a 114 km shadow on the earth.

Any object that blocks a light source will cast a shadow equal to (if the object is very close to the surface the shadow is projected to) or larger than the actual object.

An object cannot cast a shadow smaller than itself.

 

[Tom 1]

Tom 1, if you know about light and shadows so much, explain how a moon, that is supposedly 3500 km in diameter, casts a 114 km shadow on the earth.

Any object that blocks a light source will cast a shadow equal to (if the object is very close to the surface the shadow is projected to) or larger than the actual object.

An object cannot cast a shadow smaller than itself.

I don’t ‘know so much’ about light and shadow. These things are basic. The moon is round, the sun is very very big. When the moon is between the sun and the earth, the shadow forms a cone. The sun’s light extrudes around it.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don’t ‘know so much’ about light and shadow. These things are basic. The moon is round, the sun is very very big. When the moon is between the sun and the earth, the shadow forms a cone. The sun’s light extrudes around it.

Nice try. That works great in a diagram where the proportions of the sun, moon and earth are not maintained. Yes, the sun is much larger, however, look up and, as viewed from earth, it is exactly the same size as the moon. This voids the whole "the sun is bigger" idea. The diagram should show the sun and moon the same size.

If you have ever held a tiny object up in front of a large powerful light, like in the diagrams that are oh so popular, the shadow of the object gets washed away by the light passing around it. It becomes negligible.

If the model was true, the amount of light going around the moon would illuminate the earth to the point that there would be no shadow.

Either way, an object always casts a shadow that is larger than itself.

 

[Tom 1]

Nice try. That works great in a diagram where the proportions of the sun, moon and earth are not maintained. Yes, the sun is much larger, however, look up and, as viewed from earth, it is exactly the same size as the moon. This voids the whole "the sun is bigger" idea. The diagram should show the sun and moon the same size.

This makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Tom 1]

Either way, an object always casts a shadow that is larger than itself.

No, it doesn't.

 

[d taylor]

This has been posted before.

Here is a classic example of science and its illusionistic deceptions. A model can not be constructed that will work with what scientist say is the distances and sizes of God's creation

So in this persons youtube video, how ever big his model earth is. If it is close to a ping pong ball then his light source should be.

500 yards
Earth. The planet Earth. The universe is a big place, but let's cut it down to size by making the Earth the size of a Ping-Pong ball. On that scale it would be placed 500 yards (460 meters) from the Sun.

from www.britannica.com

But its looks like his light source is about 30 to 50 feet

 

[JacksBratt]

This makes absolutely no sense.

Not to you.... That's why you think our huge moon can cast a small shadow.

Just try it with a flashlight and a ball. Try and make the ball cast a shadow that is smaller than itself.

 

[JacksBratt]

No, it doesn't.

OK... sure.

 

[Palmfever]

So your theory is that the moon is dark because the lights are tuned off on that part?

Of course not. Battery died.

 

[Tom 1]

Not to you.... That's why you think our huge moon can cast a small shadow.

Just try it with a flashlight and a ball. Try and make the ball cast a shadow that is smaller than itself.

The wall of light coming from the sun doesn’t somehow shrink down or get ‘smaller’ as it passes through space. Your notion that it being ‘far away’ somehow makes a difference is just a basic error, as is the notion that the moon’s shadow could somehow disappear entirely. You’re just plucking random ideas out of the air. The way the moon’s shadow is cast is fixed - big light source, round moon, cone shadow. However much you might want to wish that away, you can’t.

 

[Tom 1]

Not to you.... That's why you think our huge moon can cast a small shadow.

Just try it with a flashlight and a ball. Try and make the ball cast a shadow that is smaller than itself.

Why do you think a flashlight and a ball is a valid comparison? Do you have a flashlight that is 400 times bigger than your ball?

If the moon were a flat disk your idea might be a bit closer to something real, but it isn’t. The light from the sun doesn’t just focus on one bit of the moon because it’s ‘so far away’, the moon is round, the huge expanse of light given off by the sun reaches every part of the surface turned towards it, causing the shadow to funnel into a narrower shape as light - surprise - follows the path determined by how light works in the actual real universe.

 

[d taylor]

The first video recording is of the moon recorded at night.

Next is a comparison of a light bulb covered in paper to represent the moon. As i believe the light from the moon comes from the surface or right below the surface of the moon.

Then there is a recording of a sphere representing a moon who reflects light from a 250 watt light bulb.

So of the two examples, which of the two represent the moon and the light seen.

 

[JacksBratt]

The wall of light coming from the sun doesn’t somehow shrink down or get ‘smaller’ as it passes through space. Your notion that it being ‘far away’ somehow makes a difference is just a basic error, as is the notion that the moon’s shadow could somehow disappear entirely. You’re just plucking random ideas out of the air. The way the moon’s shadow is cast is fixed - big light source, round moon, cone shadow. However much you might want to wish that away, you can’t.

So, I guess you didn't try the flashlight and a small round object then. If you did, you would realize that your post makes no sense.

 

[Tom 1]

So, I guess you didn't try the flashlight and a small round object then. If you did, you would realize that your post makes no sense.

I know you can see your idea is wrong. Is it worth the denial to save some online face? Drop the need to have the last word, however silly, you might find it life changing.

 

[d taylor]

No, that would be the case if the moon somehow emitted light rather than reflected it.

prove it

 

[d taylor]

If someone shone a bright light at you from a kilometre away on a completely dark night, would you perceive it in the same way as you would in the middle of the day, in bright sunlight? If not, why not?

That has nothing to do with nothing.

You assume that the moon and sun are out in a vacuum of dark space, only because you believe science. You have no personal testimony yourself, that this is actually true just a belief that science is not lying.

 

[JacksBratt]

I know you can see your idea is wrong.

No... You don't.

Is it worth the denial to save some online face? Drop the need to have the last word, however silly, you might find it life changing.

All you have to do is pick up a flashlight and a marble or pea..... If you did this.. you would not be posting such assumptions.

 

[Paul4JC]

The late great Rob Skiba.
R.I.P. Rest in his presence.

 

[JacksBratt]

The late great Rob Skiba.
R.I.P. Rest in his presence.

I love that video. What I like even more is people trying to explain it.

And, yes, R.I.P. Rob.... I'm sure he is aware of all truths and enjoying being in the presence of his savior.