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Moon it's own source of light

Does the moon give it's own light?

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In my opinion the verses do not specify whether the Moon is a source in its own right. It is of course a light. It does say that, but that is about the same as saying that on a clear day the sky is blue.
In the same manner as your logic then it does not say the sun is a source of light either. Yet at least you acknowledge that the text says that the moon is a light.
My personal problem arises when some extremists do claim that the verses say that it is a source in its own right. I will disagree with that.
The text says what it says. We can disagree with it like any other biblical text.

For example:

[Jhn 8:12 NIV] When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Now we can disagree and not believe this text, but you can't deny what it says. It says what it says.

There is exegesis and eisegesis...

What Are Exegesis and Eisegesis? 2 Ways to Read the Bible
 
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In the same manner as your logic then it does not say the sun is a source of light either. Yet at least you acknowledge that the text says that the moon is a light.
The text says what it says. We can disagree with it like any other biblical text.

For example:

[Jhn 8:12 NIV] When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Now we can disagree and not believe this text, but you can't deny what it says. It says what it says.

There is exegesis and eisegesis...

What Are Exegesis and Eisegesis? 2 Ways to Read the Bible
No, we can test to see whether the Sun is its own source of light. You may not know how, but that does not mean that others cannot do so. We can test to see if the Moon is its own source of light. Again, if you do not know how you could always ask.

Lastly it does not matter what the Bible says. It is a religious text, not a scientific one. It can be interpreted in countless different ways. Sometimes one has to go outside of the Bible to test it to see which interpretation, if any of them, is correct.
 
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No, we can test to see whether the Sun is its own source of light. You may not know how, but that does not mean that others cannot do so. We can test to see if the Moon is its own source of light. Again, if you do not know how you could always ask.

Lastly it does not matter what the Bible says. It is a religious text, not a scientific one. It can be interpreted in countless different ways. Sometimes one has to go outside of the Bible to test it to see which interpretation, if any of them, is correct.
It does matter to the utmost. I don't know why you are at CF. My only basis is the word of God, the Bible. This should be the central point of this site, everything else, including science is secondary. For that, we could go to some science sites. The word of God says the moon is light. (That's what I'm pointing out.) Now you can jump the point like many here like to do, but that does not change the word of God, which/who also created the earth out of water.

[2Pe 3:5,7 NIV] But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

When I was an unbeliever like you, it did not change that Jesus is the eternal Son of God.

[Jhn 17:5, 24 NIV] 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. ... 24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

The Bible to me is not a religious book, It is the word of God. Yes, it can be interpreted in many ways, (Even Satan interprets it.) but then there is a right way.
 
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It does matter to the utmost. I don't know why you are at CF. My only basis is the word of God, the Bible. This should be the central point of this site, everything else, including science is secondary. For that, we could go to some science sites. The word of God says the moon is light. (That's what I'm pointing out.) Now you can jump the point like many here like to do, but that does not change the word of God, which/who also created the earth out of water.

[2Pe 3:5,7 NIV] But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

When I was an unbeliever like you, it did not change that Jesus is the eternal Son of God.

[Jhn 17:5, 24 NIV] 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. ... 24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

The Bible to me is not a religious book, It is the word of God. Yes, it can be interpreted in many ways, (Even Satan interprets it.) but then there is a right way.

I am here because harm can be caused by spreading misinformation. And there is quite a bit of misinformation coming form Christians. One thing that you really need to learn is that if you base your science on the Bible you will be shown to be wrong, again and again, and again. The Bible is not a science book. You take away from its usefulness by trying to make it one.

The Bible is a religious book and one has to do some creative interpretation to claim that it is the "word of God". How would you know that? How would you test that claim? Most tests by theists are horribly flawed.
 
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My only basis is the word of God, the Bible
Creation is also God's word. God spoke, and it came into being.

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;​

It is clear from the senses God gave us and the tools and instruments developed using the intellect God gave us, that the earth is a globe in orbit around the sun and the moon is an object in orbit around the earth, reflecting the light of the sun. That is what we read in God's word of creation.
 
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Creation is also God's word. God spoke, and it came into being.

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;​

It is clear from the senses God gave us and the tools and instruments developed using the intellect God gave us, that the earth is a globe in orbit around the sun and the moon is an object in orbit around the earth, reflecting the light of the sun. That is what we read in God's word of creation.
Can you give me an example of a tool, or instrument, that you can use that determines that the earth is a spinning sphere?
 
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Can you give me an example of a tool, or instrument, that you can use that determines that the earth is a spinning sphere?
A laser gyroscope shows a 15 degree drift per hour and the drift south of the equator is in the opposite direction to the drift in the northern hemisphere.
 
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A laser gyroscope shows a 15 degree drift per hour and the drift south of the equator is in the opposite direction to the drift in the northern hemisphere.
Can you give a link to that? I would love to see it.
 
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Jesus said;

[Mat 24:29 NIV] 29 "Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

[Mar 13:24 NIV] 24 "But in those days, following that distress, " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
 
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20k views. Not bad.

Jesus said;

[Mat 24:29 NIV] 29 "Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

[Mar 13:24 NIV] 24 "But in those days, following that distress, " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
"Its light" is that which it is reflecting from the sun.
 
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20k views. Not bad.

Jesus said;

[Mat 24:29 NIV] 29 "Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

[Mar 13:24 NIV] 24 "But in those days, following that distress, " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;

Obviously, if the sun stopped emitting light, the moon and indeed everything else orbiting the sun, such as the Earth and the other planets, like Mars, Jupiter and so on, would stop reflecting the sun, although because it takes sunlight longer to reach the outer planets than us, they would reflect longer than us, and rapid global cooling could produce earthquakes, causing stars to apparently fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies to be shaken.

Since many many people in the time of Christ, probably most, did not understand the concept of reflection, and had superstitious ideas about mirrors, reflective water and so on, the simple language used by our Lord, which is scientifically accurate insofar as if the Sun stopped shining, the moon would subsequently stop reflecting sunlight, as happens during a New Moon when the Earth obstructs the flow of photons from the Sun to the Lunar surface, absorbing them directly instead, is appropriate and would be appropriate for almost any audience in 30-33 AD, unless one was talking to philosophers in Athens or Alexandria or Rome, or, possibly, Chaldean astrologers in Seleucia-Cstesiphon, or some “gymnosophists” (Hindu, Buddhist and Jainist ascetics; the phrase means “naked thinker” and in the case of the “sky clad” denomination of Jainists, is literally true, but there is a rival Jainist denomination whose ascetics do wear simple clothing) and other thinkers in India and the Far East. But since our Lord was sent to preach mainly to the Jews, most Jews were not at that level of scientific comprehension to fully understand reflection, let alone that moonlight is a reflection of solar radiation, and the net impact of losing the Sun and the Moon as sources of light is the same.

All of this also applies if God proposes to use atmospheric phenomena to obstruct our view of the Sun and Moon, and block them out in the way shown in the Matrix films, which by the way could happen due to massive volcanic eruptions or thermonuclear war or a meteor strike.

This also assumes a literal rather than typological interpretation, which is always possible in the case of prophecy. The Disciples had to have our Lord show them how the Old Testament is entirely about Him at the end of Luke, after all.

So please, do not associate beliefs in a flat Earth or other demonstrably false concepts with the Christian faith, as it does cause real harm towards our religion, by encouraging educated young people to buy into the propaganda of New Atheists like Richard Dawkins that Christianity is incompatible with science, which is untrue (unlike mainstream Islam, which actually is contradicted by science; only a few Sufi sects pass possible scientific scrutiny).
 
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Yeah, these are not lights they are just reflections. In fact, any light you see is actually a reflection!

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Yeah, these are not lights they are just reflections. In fact, any light you see is actually a reflection!

Now, go take a picture of the moon yourself and post it here.
 
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Can you not see the moon light? All the pictures I post, I take.
Yeah I was thinking there was no way a cell shot of the moon would look like that and thought you got it somewhere else, but I just took one myself while I was out walking and that is exactly what they look like.
 
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Lyrics for Brain Damage by Pink Floyd

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

Even Pink Floyd knew there is a light side of the moon!


Brain Damage - YouTube

 
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At least my photos are not fake CGI.
I don't know that. There is no metadata attached to your image other than the image resolution. Why should I believe your testimony over the images you post and not believe the testimony of NASA over the images they post?
 
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