Missing link was a lie

[BananaSlug]

That is correct.

You would have to -- else you wouldn't be able to use them interchangeably.

This mindset conveniently allows atheists to be able to claim they are "moral", when in reality, they are "ethical".

I see no difference between a "moral" choice and an "ethical" choice.

Moral- of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong.

Ethic- the body of moral principles or values governing or distinctive of a particular culture or group.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see no difference between a "moral" choice and an "ethical" choice.

Keep looking.

 

[Split Rock]

I can't figure out how to read scripture if it isn't all literal.

Keep looking.

I can't understand how humans could possibly evolve from other apes.

Keep looking.

I cannot reconcile the scientific determination of the earth's age with scripture, without resorting to "Embedded Age."

Keep looking.

 

[sandwiches]

Keep looking.

Well, I noticed you skipped over two important points in my last post: Children and natural disasters. Where's the choice in those? Are children to be held responsible for their actions to the same degree that a 30-year-old, married person at work?

 

[BananaSlug]

Keep looking.

So are God's commands to kill children a moral or ethical choice?

 

[biggles53]

Actually, I think Wal Mart employees should be paid more. Maybe it's just me? I also think child labor is not a good thing when forced, especially. The draft? Well, find me a just war, and I might support that. Pimps drugging women? Nope, let em all go, I say...etc etc.

Really? Glad He informed you. He forgot to tell me. Really.

I consider it was was morally right in a certain time and place, of course. Just as stoning an adulteress was! Yet Jesus updated the times, if you notice. Moving on...



Lie. It was. Not is.

See above. Jesus wiped out...whom???

Lie.

Less stress, I would think. However, you seem to have no clue what the verse you vaguely reference means. In other words, don't freak out, and obsess over it. Need any more modern lingo lessons, just bellow.
That doesn't include salvation, does it? It maybe includes God not lowering the boom on some that may deserve it pronto, perhaps....but so??
Dancing all over your misconceptions..where else??

So, in between all the evasions, what you basically seem to be saying is that the scriptures contain some pretty horrible pronouncements (keeping slaves, putting people to death for just about any infringment, committing genocide on one's enemies, finding witches and burning them, etc...) and also some 'nice' ones (loving one's fellow man, forgiving debts, etc..). You further state that many of the 'nasties' belonged to a former era - that, with the coming of Jesus, we were encouraged to put behind us all those horrible rules and consequences, and to embrace the 'good'.

You have a few problems with that.....Jesus still condoned the practice of slavery. He urged the breakup of families, so that the faithful may follow him. He demanded the death of disobedient children. The concept of 'hell' wasn't introduced until his appearance. The horrors of the 'old laws' pale into insignificance when compared to what the NT has in store for us via Revelations.....and so on.

But let's forgive him those...after all, according to you lot, he is but another avatar of God himself, so it was probably unrealistic that that mean old genocidal misogynist was going to completely 'reform' when he converted himself into human shape!

No, your problem is MUCH bigger. Because, as you have pointed out, we have jettisoned a lot of what we consider to be no longer morally appropriate. We don't keep slaves. We don't hunt down witches. We don't put people to death for failing to keep religious commands. Heck, if I understand it correctly, most Christian faiths no longer even believe in a fiery hell!

So, WE have made our own moral choices as to what is 'good' and 'evil'. We have thrown out those biblical commands which go against what we know to be right. We have developed a moral code independent of that which appears in the scriptures.

They may have just as well never been printed.....!

 

[dad]

So, in between all the evasions, what you basically seem to be saying is that the scriptures contain some pretty horrible pronouncements (keeping slaves, putting people to death for just about any infringment, committing genocide on one's enemies, finding witches and burning them, etc...) and also some 'nice' ones (loving one's fellow man, forgiving debts, etc..). You further state that many of the 'nasties' belonged to a former era - that, with the coming of Jesus, we were encouraged to put behind us all those horrible rules and consequences, and to embrace the 'good'.

You have a few problems with that.....Jesus still condoned the practice of slavery.

He came to set the prisoners free.

He urged the breakup of families, so that the faithful may follow him.

He forbade divorce. Parents ought to lead their kids away from damnation, and into eternal life. If they don't, why, I also recommend that they be overruled. So??

He demanded the death of disobedient children.

Where? I recall he raised children from the dead, and healed them, and loved them.

The concept of 'hell' wasn't introduced until his appearance. The horrors of the 'old laws' pale into insignificance when compared to what the NT has in store for us via Revelations.....and so on.

No, I think that Jesus just cleared it up. It is bad, so avoid it, get saved. Be happy.

But let's forgive him those...after all, according to you lot, he is but another avatar of God himself, so it was probably unrealistic that that mean old genocidal misogynist was going to completely 'reform' when he converted himself into human shape!

Speaking of meaningless, this is drivel.

No, your problem is MUCH bigger. Because, as you have pointed out, we have jettisoned a lot of what we consider to be no longer morally appropriate. We don't keep slaves. We don't hunt down witches. We don't put people to death for failing to keep religious commands. Heck, if I understand it correctly, most Christian faiths no longer even believe in a fiery hell!

Hell is real. If any think not, that is their problem.

So, WE have made our own moral choices as to what is 'good' and 'evil'. We have thrown out those biblical commands which go against what we know to be right. We have developed a moral code independent of that which appears in the scriptures.

They may have just as well never been printed.....!

The commandments are great. They prove man is depraved. Any moral code from the depraved, you can have, thank you very much.

 

[dad]

Would you consider a man to be a responsible father, if he leaves open bottles of poison in a child's room? What about if he locked the child in with a tiger? In Christian doctrine, God doesn't just allow us to choose, he inserts and allows perils, obstacles, and suffering in all his children's lives.

He inserted eternal life. His words bring life, not death. You are confused.

A responsible father tries to teach without putting his kid in direct danger. What responsible father allows his children to kill, rape, torture others? Where's a little girl's choice when she's raped and murdered by a mad man? Where's a man's choice when his family is killed by a natural disaster? If your god were a real father and if all that occurs is because of him, he is responsible for every bit of suffering in man.

Man's choices get narrower when he gets depraved.

 

[dad]

Sorry but it was God who created sinful man and then said His creation was good when he finished even though it was not long before it repented him that he had made his botched creation so he flooded the world.

Nope. Adam and Eve were not sinful at all.

And supposedly it was the sons of God mating with the daughters of men who created so much evil that God had to destroy his botched creation with that big flood that murdered nearly everything.

I disagree. That is frankly ridiculous.

According to the literalist it was God who ordered or directly caused numerous atrocities including genocide in the Old Testament.

So you think that the tactical squad taking out a killer, and freeing hostages commits an atrocity? God took ot some terrorists. In a few cases, where they had terrorized their kids, and corrupted them, apparently, He allowed the kids to be taken to a better place. Safe from the terrorists. The demonic sodomites that sacrificed their own kids, raped them, and all sorts of evil things. We are not privy to all the inside intelligence that led to the operations. However, to question God as you do from a standpoint of sheer ignorance is knavish.

No, Gid is not the monster you paint Him to be.

 

[nathanlandon1]

Well, some may be surprised.

"A fossil that was celebrated last year as a possible "missing link" between humans and early primates is actually a forebearer of modern-day lemurs and lorises, according to two papers by scientists at The University of Texas at Austin, Duke University and the University of Chicago."
'Missing link' fossil was not human ancestor as claimed, anthropologists say

Ho hum. Kids, Isn't it time to not believe a lying word these dreamers say to begin with?

I agree 100%.

Even Doctors are losing their "crown" with the recent issues of recalled medicine. Children's medicine like Tylenol and Motrin, which are household medicine-cabinet items (or at least we are told they should be) are being recalled.

Perscription drugs have more side effects than "cure," most of which are severe and fatal. Why do people keep following these people? Every 20 years we move into a new paradigm of science, medicine and technology - why base life on something so fleeting?


And, the amount of information and knowledge the scientific community is withholding from the public is mind-boggling. I am only into physics and math, and the stuff they don't tell the laymen or undergraduate is ridiculously voluminous. I don't even know about biology and chemistry (which has more human/health/well-being applications.) Instead, they feed you all sludge information like "The Missing Link" because they bank on people not caring and accepting everything they say. They expect it will keep you all busy for a few decades before they leak more disinformation.

 

[sandwiches]

I agree 100%.

Even Doctors are losing their "crown" with the recent issues of recalled medicine. Children's medicine like Tylenol and Motrin, which are household medicine-cabinet items (or at least we are told they should be) are being recalled.

Mistakes happen. Just a little FYI: Humans make mistakes.

Perscription drugs have more side effects than "cure," most of which are severe and fatal. Why do people keep following these people? Every 20 years we move into a new paradigm of science, medicine and technology - why base life on something so fleeting?

Do you have any examples of the paradigms of science, medicine, and technology changing every 20 years? It sounds like a very arbitrary (read: made up) number. If you're asserting that science, medicine, and technology changes as we gain more information, then congratulations! Welcome to what science, medicine, and technology are all about.

Are you also bitter because we don't use leeches for just about every disease now? Do you realize the irony and hypocrisy of asking people not to trust science on an internet forum?

And, the amount of information and knowledge the scientific community is withholding from the public is mind-boggling. I am only into physics and math, and the stuff they don't tell the laymen or undergraduate is ridiculously voluminous. I don't even know about biology and chemistry (which has more human/health/well-being applications.) Instead, they feed you all sludge information like "The Missing Link" because they bank on people not caring and accepting everything they say. They expect it will keep you all busy for a few decades before they leak more disinformation.

Holy conspiracy theories, Batman! Do you have evidence of these cover ups?

 

[Split Rock]

I agree 100%.

Even Doctors are losing their "crown" with the recent issues of recalled medicine. Children's medicine like Tylenol and Motrin, which are household medicine-cabinet items (or at least we are told they should be) are being recalled.

Recalls of perscription and non-perscription drugs happen, just like with automobiles and cribs. We learn from our mistakes... do you?

Perscription drugs have more side effects than "cure," most of which are severe and fatal. Why do people keep following these people? Every 20 years we move into a new paradigm of science, medicine and technology - why base life on something so fleeting?

Do you have any data to back up the claim that perscription drugs have more severe and deadly side effects than curative effects?? When was the last time the Germ Theory of Medicine was overturned??

And, the amount of information and knowledge the scientific community is withholding from the public is mind-boggling. I am only into physics and math, and the stuff they don't tell the laymen or undergraduate is ridiculously voluminous. I don't even know about biology and chemistry (which has more human/health/well-being applications.) Instead, they feed you all sludge information like "The Missing Link" because they bank on people not caring and accepting everything they say. They expect it will keep you all busy for a few decades before they leak more disinformation.

We are not "withholding" any information. It is only by sharing information that progress is made. It is all published for anyone who wants to read it. The fact that you are on the internet using a computer is evidence of this.

 

[dad]

I agree 100%.

Even Doctors are losing their "crown" with the recent issues of recalled medicine. Children's medicine like Tylenol and Motrin, which are household medicine-cabinet items (or at least we are told they should be) are being recalled.

Perscription drugs have more side effects than "cure," most of which are severe and fatal. Why do people keep following these people? Every 20 years we move into a new paradigm of science, medicine and technology - why base life on something so fleeting?


And, the amount of information and knowledge the scientific community is withholding from the public is mind-boggling. I am only into physics and math, and the stuff they don't tell the laymen or undergraduate is ridiculously voluminous. I don't even know about biology and chemistry (which has more human/health/well-being applications.) Instead, they feed you all sludge information like "The Missing Link" because they bank on people not caring and accepting everything they say. They expect it will keep you all busy for a few decades before they leak more disinformation.

I suppose that when an organized body of people are capable of being so deluded on the creation issue, and adamantly keep God out of their little so called knowledge pool, -- that lies in other areas would be symptomatic. The problem has been that no one has been able to catch them at the creation lies, so they have gotten bold over time.

Likewise, when an education system is founded on such lies, it is not a surprise that they keep people doped up on Ritalin, and promote demonic lifestyles, and glorify themselves above all gods.

I notice the president of the US the other day promoted this worship. He was saying something about how education is emancipation. False! We need emancipation from education of the damned. It was not the higher tech knowledge that made the US relatively great. Neither will it solve their problems. Things like the family and God fearing help make a country prosper. Things like sending missionaries, and having sodomy kept down, rather than in the face bring blessings of God. The president just put a person in the highest court in the land. I would hope that she has real values, and will oppose abortion, and sodomy!?

 

[sandwiches]

I suppose that when an organized body of people are capable of being so deluded on the creation issue, and adamantly keep God out of their little so called knowledge pool, -- that lies in other areas would be symptomatic. The problem has been that no one has been able to catch them at the creation lies, so they have gotten bold over time.

Likewise, when an education system is founded on such lies, it is not a surprise that they keep people doped up on Ritalin, and promote demonic lifestyles, and glorify themselves above all gods.

I notice the president of the US the other day promoted this worship. He was saying something about how education is emancipation. False! We need emancipation from education of the damned. It was not the higher tech knowledge that made the US relatively great. Neither will it solve their problems. Things like the family and God fearing help make a country prosper. Things like sending missionaries, and having sodomy kept down, rather than in the face bring blessings of God. The president just put a person in the highest court in the land. I would hope that she has real values, and will oppose abortion, and sodomy!?

So, to summarize:
There's evil conspiracies in science.
Demons are seducing our children.
Education is bad.
Technology is unnecessary. (LOLinterwebz)
Missionaries will save this country.
Homosexuality is bad.
Abortion is murder.

Nothing to see here but the usual talking points of fundies.


PS. You forgot that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So, to summarize:
There's evil conspiracies in science.
Demons are seducing our children.
Education is bad.
Technology is unnecessary. (LOLinterwebz)
Missionaries will save this country.
Homosexuality is bad.
Abortion is murder.

Nothing to see here but the usual talking points of fundies.


PS. You forgot that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.

Lol.

Talking points routinely used by: Evangelical fundies, homeschoolers, tea baggers, conservative republicans, creationists, science deniers, etc.

 

[Split Rock]

I suppose that when an organized body of people are capable of being so deluded on the creation issue, and adamantly keep God out of their little so called knowledge pool, -- that lies in other areas would be symptomatic.

Strange then, the the syptomatic liars are the professional creationists...

The problem has been that no one has been able to catch them at the creation lies, so they have gotten bold over time.

That's because there is nothing to catch.

Likewise, when an education system is founded on such lies, it is not a surprise that they keep people doped up on Ritalin, and promote demonic lifestyles, and glorify themselves above all gods.

Don't you glorify yourself and a book written by men over God, dad? Afterall, the Bible is inerrant and your interpretation of it is also inerrant. Sounds like gods to me...

I notice the president of the US the other day promoted this worship. He was saying something about how education is emancipation. False! We need emancipation from education of the damned. It was not the higher tech knowledge that made the US relatively great. Neither will it solve their problems. Things like the family and God fearing help make a country prosper. Things like sending missionaries, and having sodomy kept down, rather than in the face bring blessings of God. The president just put a person in the highest court in the land. I would hope that she has real values, and will oppose abortion, and sodomy!?

You know, one of these days you are just going to have to lead by example. Let's see you give up all that "damned" technology created by "education of the damned." That island cave is waiting for you dad... if you have the courage of your convictions, that is....

 

[AV1611VET]

Strange then, the the syptomatic liars are the professional creationists...

If professional creationists are liars, are professional scientists killers?

 

[Split Rock]

If professional creationists are liars, are professional scientists killers?

Have you stopped hunting witches yet, AVET? Just a "yes" or "no" answer, please.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

If professional creationists are liars, are professional scientists killers?

Lol

See the Hovind quote in my sig.

 

[AV1611VET]

Lol

See the Hovind quote in my sig.

Quotes like that remind me of how science used to be.

Those quotes aren't unscientific -- they are simply outdated?

Remember Tombaugh's Folly?

You guys seem to forget your own legacies.