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Tell her that if she can find it in Scripture, she can have it.My wife interprets "obedience" as to her, is she wrong?
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Looking at that in the Strong's, it appears restored again is meaning only one Greek word and not two Greek words. Restore actually means again, doesn't it? If one purchased a 1957 Chevy and wanted to restore it, wouldn't they be attempting to get the car in the condition it initially was in 1957? So that should mean restoring the kingdom of God to Israel as was initially the case in the past. The question is, in what sense were the disciples meaning Israel?
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seventysevens
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Too funny
stuff like that is found all over the world ,including New Orleans and California - and passing laws to grant them marriage in the sight of a Holy God nothing new people who have issues with Zion have issues with God doing what He say he will do
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Which Zion?
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Some of us cannot tell the difference between the Baal worshipers and the faithful remnant, found in Romans 11:5.
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seventysevens
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There is only one Zion, sorry to hear that you are so confused but if you study ALL of the Word of God and not just what suits you; you will begin to understand , the vine was cut off but the root still remains
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And that root is found in my last post, because as you just admitted "There is only one Zion..."
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Be glad, people of Zion,
rejoice in the Lord your God,
for he has given you the autumn rains
because he is faithful.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
24 The threshing floors will be filled with grain;
the vats will overflow with new wine and oil.
25 “I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm—
my great army that I sent among you.
26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the Lord your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.
27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the Lord your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls
Amos
8 Look, the Lord God is eyeing the sinful kingdom,
and I will destroy it from the face of the earth.
However, I won’t destroy fully the house of Jacob,
says the Lord.
4 I will improve the circumstances of my people Israel;
they will rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
and they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
rejoice in the Lord your God,
for he has given you the autumn rains
because he is faithful.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
24 The threshing floors will be filled with grain;
the vats will overflow with new wine and oil.
25 “I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm—
my great army that I sent among you.
26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the Lord your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.
27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the Lord your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls
Amos
8 Look, the Lord God is eyeing the sinful kingdom,
and I will destroy it from the face of the earth.
However, I won’t destroy fully the house of Jacob,
says the Lord.
4 I will improve the circumstances of my people Israel;
they will rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
and they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
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Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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seventysevens
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God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means it means Never again
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
What ya think Never again means
it means Never again 15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
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God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
If you think that Old Testament passage is referring to this rotten, sin-cursed world, then either you are wrong or Peter and the writer of the Book of Hebrews are wrong.
2 Peter 3:10-13
Hebrews 11:15-16
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seventysevens
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God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means it means Never again
Never as in not ever as in not again
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
What ya think Never again means
it means Never again Never as in not ever as in not again
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
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God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means
Never as in not ever as in not again
Both of the passages found below are true.
If person rejects God's Son, will they be delivered?
27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the Lord your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means
15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.
"Never" means never, right? So "they" will live in the land forever. Correct?
Doesn't that require an everlasting land? Do you think the land on this old earth is everlasting? Or is the land on the new earth everlasting?
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It requires everlasting land, otherwise God is an outright liar. Common sense says this can't be entirely fulfilled on this old earth though. Therefore it finds it's entire fulfillment in the new heavens and new earth.
Doesn't mean it can't begin being fulfilled on this old earth. But since there will eventually be a new earth, and that the new earth will continue forever without passing away like this current one does, the last question you asked, that is the answer.
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seventysevens
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Exactly , While it isn't clear whether this old earth will be 'destroyed ' like in Noah's flood - cleansed with fire - or if a new planet is created; a Jerusalem will be on this old earth and either renewed here or be new on a new planet . I remember someone teaching that the new Jerusalem would come down out of heaven and stay up in the sky and we just go up and down from it , but it be hard to say if that be what happens , we'll just have to wait to see what come s to pass - whatever it is it will be glorious for sure
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Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
In the text above Paul seems to be saying New Jerusalem was already in existence during his time.
In the following verses from the Book of Revelation is also seems to indicate New Jerusalem is already in existence in heaven.
Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev_21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
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