Millennial Considerations

[seventysevens]

Where did you get that idea from? I never said Jesus has returned already.

Sorry that was not to be included , it was from something else

 

[seventysevens]

Hate? Who's hating?

It seems you think it is good to speak badly of the fact that Israel has been reborn , I have been addressing this on several posts of all the disparaging things that have been said about Israel being reborn and the dumb videos of such , and you said you thought I was in favor of all the antichrists and such , Why is there so much negative speak of Israel and the dumb comments about replacing old Israel with modern Israel , don't tell me you don't know

 

[BABerean2]

It seems you think it is good to speak badly of the fact that Israel has been reborn , I have been addressing this on several posts of all the disparaging things that have been said about Israel being reborn and the dumb videos of such , and you said you thought I was in favor of all the antichrists and such , Why is there so much negative speak of Israel and the dumb comments about replacing old Israel with modern Israel , don't tell me you don't know

Do you know the difference between the Israelites who worshiped Baal and the remnant who remained faithful to God?


Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


The difference is found below.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


There are those from both groups now living in the modern State of Israel.

Which group now controls the government of that nation?

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[seventysevens]

And So ..?
You simply show that you have no understanding whatsoever of bible prophecy , none !
Remember how many times that Jesus said "it is written" ? He means that what is written in prophecy MUST come to pass ; especially when it isn't pretty.
Do you not see that baal worship is in the US and other nations ? IT IS WRITTEN
Recall when they came for Jesus to arrest him and Peter cut the ear off the soldier and Jesus said no! he who lives by the sword will die by the sword and Jesus healed the soldiers ear so that Peter would not have to be held accountable for what he had done.
Jesus said that he could have legions of angels at his command , but he is following what "is written" about his coming crucifixion.

Jesus told his disciples that he would be "taken" and killed and that they would mourn . Did that not happen ?

Jesus has given us the prophecies so that we may know what is to happen that precedes His return to earth , those who believe that will not happen will be in total shock when it does happen and likely accept the coming great delusion that God is sending -the Man of Lawlessness - who will call himself God and convince the people that he is God - this is Gods way of dealing with those who reject Christ .

When this has happened then Jesus Thee True Messiah will be seen coming on the clouds in Great Glory and simply vanquish the false messiah and cast him and the false prophet alive directly into the lake of fire- not hades - the lake of fire directly

You fail to understand the simple order of the manner in which God has told us how things will happen.
1. Israel Must be reborn as a nation - then they will be led by an evil ruler - you don't understand that things are happening exactly as God has promised
2. Israel will have a period of time when they dwell safely in their own land that God has promised that is theirs
3. God will bring the enemies of Israel to wage war on Israel to punish those who have chosen to follow the way of baal and to purge the land of Israel to prepare the way of Jesus to return
4. Jesus returns in Great Glory and destroys the evil that reigns in Israel and establishes HIS kingdom on earth and casts satan into the pit for 1000 years - even though you have been deceived and don't accept this fact !!
5. After satan is released and deceives who he can , satan and those decieved are thrown into the lake of fire and then all people are left are Gods family with immortal bodies and then
Your bitterness causes you to fail to understand what is happening are signs that the soon return of the Lord is near -even at the door -IT IS WRITTEN

cremation of care - YouTube

Do you know the difference between the Israelites who worshiped Baal and the remnant who remained faithful to God?





















Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


The difference is found below.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


There are those from both groups now living in the modern State of Israel.

Which group now controls the government of that nation?

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[seventysevens]

4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords.
5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets,
6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them.
8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.
11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.”
13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?
15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army.
16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them.
18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord.
19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground.
21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him.
23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’

 

[BABerean2]

You fail to understand the simple order of the manner in which God has told us how things will happen.
1. Israel Must be reborn as a nation - then they will be led by an evil ruler - you don't understand that things are happening exactly as God has promised
2. Israel will have a period of time when they dwell safely in their own land that God has promised that is theirs
3. God will bring the enemies of Israel to wage war on Israel to punish those who have chosen to follow the way of baal and to purge the land of Israel to prepare the way of Jesus to return
4. Jesus returns in Great Glory and destroys the evil that reigns in Israel and establishes HIS kingdom on earth and casts satan into the pit for 1000 years - even though you have been deceived and don't accept this fact !!
5. After satan is released and deceives who he can , satan and those decieved are thrown into the lake of fire and then all people are left are Gods family with immortal bodies and then
Your bitterness causes you to fail to understand what is happening are signs that the soon return of the Lord is near -even at the door -IT IS WRITTEN

The above sounds like one of author Tim LaHaye's fictional Left Behind movies.


Pastor John Otis on the Great Errors of Dispensational Eschatology:

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[seventysevens]

The above sounds like one of author Tim LaHaye's fictional Left Behind movies.
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That is a revealing that you are deceived and prefer to believe falsehood - Posted is 100% pure scripture that you refuse to accept - you prefer fiction and not the truth
You have a SEVERE lack of hearing and comprehension as I have told you Many times I Do NOT follow Dispensational Eschatology
You use that as an EXCUSE to defile Gods Word and push your own agenda -
Israel Indivisible: The Case For The Ancient Homeland DVD - Cutting Edge Ministries

'Indivisible' Film Tackles Crusade to Destroy Israel

This documentary is currently being played in full on the Daystar website

 

[seventysevens]

I referred to them as anti-Christ's but that's not hatred, that's just a fact. They reject Christ, and that makes them anti-Christs. Don't tell me you don't know that.

But when you say I support them you make a false statement , there have been many people that reject Christ throughout history , but in the case where Scripture where God proclaims the HE will bring back the descendants from all over the world - you have no idea who they are or what they believe so you are making mean spirited assumptions about people for no other reason that you object to certain people in government or wherever they are

 

[LastSeven]

cremation of care - YouTube

Very interesting videos. Thanks for posting.

 

[LastSeven]

HE will bring back the descendants from all over the world - you have no idea who they are

I do know this: Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Romans 9:6

 

[seventysevens]

I do know this: Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Romans 9:6

That is the point and also not the point , Jesus returns to Israel to fight for those who love and serve Him, but they have to have the country in existence so they can live there and serve God there , also there will be many that don't love Christ and still reject him until they come to realize that Jesus really is their messiah . Also the false messiah will reign in Israel with the false prophet and Israel must exist as a country for them to be there and do their thing , also God will be pulling armies down from the northern parts such as Turkey to join with other countries in their attempt to destroy the people of Israel and when this is about to happen is when Jesus returns as Israel's true Messiah and he will destroy the false messiah and false prophet and save Israel from total destruction. The stage is being set now for all these things to happen - but Israel has to exist as a nation/country before these things can take place

 

[Truth7t7]

And So ..?
You simply show that you have no understanding whatsoever of bible prophecy , none !
Remember how many times that Jesus said "it is written" ? He means that what is written in prophecy MUST come to pass ; especially when it isn't pretty.
Do you not see that baal worship is in the US and other nations ? IT IS WRITTEN
Recall when they came for Jesus to arrest him and Peter cut the ear off the soldier and Jesus said no! he who lives by the sword will die by the sword and Jesus healed the soldiers ear so that Peter would not have to be held accountable for what he had done.
Jesus said that he could have legions of angels at his command , but he is following what "is written" about his coming crucifixion.

Jesus told his disciples that he would be "taken" and killed and that they would mourn . Did that not happen ?

Jesus has given us the prophecies so that we may know what is to happen that precedes His return to earth , those who believe that will not happen will be in total shock when it does happen and likely accept the coming great delusion that God is sending -the Man of Lawlessness - who will call himself God and convince the people that he is God - this is Gods way of dealing with those who reject Christ .

When this has happened then Jesus Thee True Messiah will be seen coming on the clouds in Great Glory and simply vanquish the false messiah and cast him and the false prophet alive directly into the lake of fire- not hades - the lake of fire directly

You fail to understand the simple order of the manner in which God has told us how things will happen.
1. Israel Must be reborn as a nation - then they will be led by an evil ruler - you don't understand that things are happening exactly as God has promised
2. Israel will have a period of time when they dwell safely in their own land that God has promised that is theirs
3. God will bring the enemies of Israel to wage war on Israel to punish those who have chosen to follow the way of baal and to purge the land of Israel to prepare the way of Jesus to return
4. Jesus returns in Great Glory and destroys the evil that reigns in Israel and establishes HIS kingdom on earth and casts satan into the pit for 1000 years - even though you have been deceived and don't accept this fact !!
5. After satan is released and deceives who he can , satan and those decieved are thrown into the lake of fire and then all people are left are Gods family with immortal bodies and then
Your bitterness causes you to fail to understand what is happening are signs that the soon return of the Lord is near -even at the door -IT IS WRITTEN

cremation of care - YouTube

No such thing as Jesus ruling for 1000 years on this earth in a millennial kingdom.

Jesus returns in the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

 

[seventysevens]

No such thing as Jesus ruling for 1000 years on this earth in a millennial kingdom.

Jesus returns in the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

Put it to rest , you have been proven that you misunderstand 20 times over and over

Rev 20
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

 

[Truth7t7]

Put it to rest , you have been proven that you misunderstand 20 times over and over

Rev 20
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Appears you disregard the teaching by Jesus Christ as clearly seen in Matthew 25:31-46.

Jesus returns, final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, "Eternity Begins"

 

[LastSeven]

That is the point and also not the point , Jesus returns to Israel to fight for those who love and serve Him, but they have to have the country in existence so they can live there and serve God there , also there will be many that don't love Christ and still reject him until they come to realize that Jesus really is their messiah . Also the false messiah will reign in Israel with the false prophet and Israel must exist as a country for them to be there and do their thing , also God will be pulling armies down from the northern parts such as Turkey to join with other countries in their attempt to destroy the people of Israel and when this is about to happen is when Jesus returns as Israel's true Messiah and he will destroy the false messiah and false prophet and save Israel from total destruction. The stage is being set now for all these things to happen - but Israel has to exist as a nation/country before these things can take place

I don't believe in any of that stuff.

 

[seventysevens]

Appears you disregard the teaching by Jesus Christ as clearly seen in Matthew 25:31-46.

Jesus returns, final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, "Eternity Begins"

No you simply misunderstand it , you misinterpret it , it is your false interpretation that is disregarded ,

 

[seventysevens]

I don't believe in any of that stuff.

So what , ,makes no difference

 

[jgr]

That is the point and also not the point , Jesus returns to Israel to fight for those who love and serve Him, but they have to have the country in existence so they can live there and serve God there , also there will be many that don't love Christ and still reject him until they come to realize that Jesus really is their messiah . Also the false messiah will reign in Israel with the false prophet and Israel must exist as a country for them to be there and do their thing , also God will be pulling armies down from the northern parts such as Turkey to join with other countries in their attempt to destroy the people of Israel and when this is about to happen is when Jesus returns as Israel's true Messiah and he will destroy the false messiah and false prophet and save Israel from total destruction. The stage is being set now for all these things to happen - but Israel has to exist as a nation/country before these things can take place

Here's who Israel is:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Every human being on earth. Think there'll be enough room for you there?

 

[seventysevens]

Here's who Israel is:
Every human being on earth. Think there'll be enough room for you there?

I have had a reserved place in eternity with the Creator for over 40 years
You forgot to include all the people who have died and those whom God created in the womb of women that been murdered before they were born
besides DNA is not a deciding factor of who gets to spend eternity with the Creator

 

[jgr]

I have had a reserved place in eternity with the Creator for over 40 years
You forgot to include all the people who have died and those whom God created in the womb of women that been murdered before they were born
besides DNA is not a deciding factor of who gets to spend eternity with the Creator

Agreed. The deciding factors are faith and obedience.