Millennial Considerations

[DavidPT]

child die 100 years old isnt literal death, an expression of eternal.

if it would read a child dies at a zillion years then you would look at it different.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.


Have you ever considered this part before---and dust shall be the serpent's meat?


Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

This too pretty much indicates dust shall be the serpent's meat. The text indicates it will be the serpent's meat all the days of it's life.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Obviously when this is fulfilled dust will no longer be the serpent's meat. So why mention this in Isaiah 65:25? What point is it trying to make if the serpent is supposed to already be in the lake of fire during the time Isaiah 65:25 is meaning?

 

[Truth7t7]

As you have chosen to believe something 'made up', source from outside YHWH, apart from and contrary to His Word...
Yes. No. And No. Sorry, someone tricked you totallly. (with your own approval, apparently. (though I'm not really sure it was wittingly on your part or not.)

This is an english speaking forum, God, Jesus, Christ, are the names in english.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is an english speaking forum, God, Jesus, Christ, are the names in english.

No. That's a poor assumption on your part.
If Jose from S.America visited France, Britain, Russia, China, or the USA,
he would be called Jose.

Why did the enemies of YHWH conspire to not even remember His Name, since He is the Creator Sovereign ?

Why did the enemies of the Creator Supreme Mighty One
conspire to edit His Name out of Scripture ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb sha. feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.


Have you ever considered this part before---and dust shall be the serpent's meat?


Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

This too pretty much indicates dust shall be the serpent's meat. The text indicates it will be the serpent's meat all the days of it's life.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Obviously when this is fulfilled dust will no longer be the serpent's meat. So why mention this in Isaiah 65:25? What point is it trying to make if the serpent is supposed to already be in the lake of fire during the time Isaiah 65:25 is meaning?

You disregard the plain, simple, teaching of scripture.

Isaiah 65:17-19 is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, "Read It"!

This can also be seen in Revelation 21:1-5

You can try to reason it away, by an infant dying, the words plague, heathen, serpent, whatever?

Dave Isaiah 65:17-19 ain't gonna change

Its the New Creation, "Behold I Make All Things New"

 

[Marilyn C]

Maybe your mistake is thinking this prince in Ezekiel 46 is meaning this same prince in Ezekiel 37? Speaking for myself, I have never thought they might be.

Hi David,

If you read the context they are talking about the same time, the millennium.

 

[Marilyn C]

child die 100 years old isnt literal death, an expression of eternal.

if it would read a child dies at a zillion years then you would look at it different.

And `an old man....and a sinner...`???? (Isa. 65: 20 & 21)

 

[Marilyn C]

You disregard the plain, simple, teaching of scripture.

Isaiah 65:17-19 is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, "Read It"!

This can also be seen in Revelation 21:1-5

You can try to reason it away, by an infant dying, the words plague, heathen, serpent, whatever?

Dave Isaiah 65:17-19 ain't gonna change

Its the New Creation, "Behold I Make All Things New"

Truth,

But WHEN does God do that? It certainly isn`t the new creation with `old men and sinners` (Isa. 65: 20 & 21)

 

[Marilyn C]

As long as those in this forum teach in error there will be a earthly 1000 year kingdom after the return of Jesus?

I will continue to present scriptural truth showing when Jesus returns, the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, takes place.

There will be no 1000 year earthly kingdom, when Jesus returns, eternity begins!

Dont ya love Gods Truth Dave, Ain't gonna change.

Matthew 25:31-46 Read It Again And Again

And again and again you shy away from telling me, others and even yourself why God will let those who just do good works to go into eternity, (by your reckoning).

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus Christ returns with the angels, the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place, "Eternity Begins"!

There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom to follow the return of Jesus Christ, a teaching in error of scriptural truth.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And again and again you shy away from telling me, others and even yourself why God will let those who just do good works to go into eternity, (by your reckoning).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom to follow the return of Jesus Christ, a teaching in error of scriptural truth.

You keep posting this, in error, as if you believe the amil position, proven wrong always, is true...... kind of a rut, huh?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi David,

If you read the context they are talking about the same time, the millennium.

Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is speaking about the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC, in this temple you see the animal sacrificial system for "SIN", as the Prince seen is nothing more than the high priest.

Your claim this represents a future millennial temple blessed by God is 100% false.

Jesus Christ was the ultimate Lamb of God, as he shed his blood "Once" for the sins of the world. Animal sacrifice for "SIN" has been "Abolished"!

 

[Marilyn C]

Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is speaking about the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC, in this temple you see the animal sacrificial system for "SIN", as the Prince seen is nothing more than the high priest.

Your claim this represents a future millennial temple blessed by God is 100% false.

Jesus Christ was the ultimate Lamb of God, as he shed his blood "Once" for the sins of the world. Animal sacrifice for "SIN" has been "Abolished"!

Truth,

The animal sacrifices never took away sin, but were a shadow of what was to come - the Lord Jesus` sacrifice. Then in the millennium the sacrifices again reveal to fallen man the great need of a blood sacrifice. The animals are the representations of what Christ has done.

The Body of Christ has gone and fallen man only has the hope of learning from Israel concerning God`s laws. If they obey them blessing, if not then plagues. The rod of iron of punishment, immediate consequences for their actions.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

When Jesus Christ returns with the angels, the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place, "Eternity Begins"!

There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom to follow the return of Jesus Christ, a teaching in error of scriptural truth.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

So by posting all those scriptures you again just show your error of believing that GOOD WORKS can save someone for everlasting life. And we know that is NOT true , those `good works` people go into the millennium to learn of God`s ways, and it is definitely NOT eternity.

Prove to me, others & yourself that GOOD WORKS can save someone for eternity. Why did Jesus have to die, if it is only GOOD WORKS that get people in. Think again, bro.

 

[seventysevens]

Your interpretation is clearly more studied out than mine...










Lets see now.
We have bones.
Then skin and flesh comes upon the bones.
And then the spirit of life comes into them and they live.
Why in the world would anyone think it is about a resurrection of the dead?
And you have studied the passage enough to know that it is about the creation of the modern State of Israel via the political manipulation of the Rothschild family who used the Balfour Declaration to get the United States into World War I, if the British would agree to give Palestine to the Zionists after the war ended.
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That is a Fact !
Instead of just merely making assumptions- spend your time wisely by actually studying the Scriptures you would then understand the prophetic nature of the scripture , this one in particular requires more than a glance , you would see the true meaning if you actually put some time into studying- but you have shown repeatedly that you would rather watch videos of people propagating false teachings than actually read and ask God to show you what it means

 

[seventysevens]

Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is speaking about the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC, in this temple you see the animal sacrificial system for "SIN", as the Prince seen is nothing more than the high priest.

Your claim this represents a future millennial temple blessed by God is 100% false.

Jesus Christ was the ultimate Lamb of God, as he shed his blood "Once" for the sins of the world. Animal sacrifice for "SIN" has been "Abolished"!

WRONG AGAIN!
It is representational notice carefully what it says , it is representing the OT methods of sacrificing to what Jesus did at his crucifixion , Only Jesus will come in the East gate , do you understand why the East gate has been sealed shut ?, as it stands today the real East Gate.

 

[BABerean2]

Truth,

The animal sacrifices never took away sin, but were a shadow of what was to come - the Lord Jesus` sacrifice. Then in the millennium the sacrifices again reveal to fallen man the great need of a blood sacrifice. The animals are the representations of what Christ has done.

The Body of Christ has gone and fallen man only has the hope of learning from Israel concerning God`s laws. If they obey them blessing, if not then plagues. The rod of iron of punishment, immediate consequences for their actions.

Marilyn.

Christ was the final sacrifice in the New Covenant.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (See Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

You cannot have the lion and the lamb lay down together and then pluck up the lamb and cut its throat for a blood sacrifice, for a memorial or any other reason. Either the curse is lifted or it is not.



Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The "nations" (Matthew 25:31-46) and "wrath" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" (John 5:27-30), and "reward" and "destruction" are found right after the 7th trumpet, which is the time when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever", in Revelation 11:15. You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
This verse kills a carnal millennium, where sin and death remain for 1,000 years.

Will the one who conquered sin and death at Calvary officiate funeral services during your 1,000 year carnal kingdom?

If these long lived mortals die, where will their souls go since Christ is on earth during this time?

The first resurrection is found in John 5:24, when a person passes from death to life, upon faith in Christ.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant of Christ the doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America about the time of the Civil War, falls apart like a piece of rotten wood.
And along with it falls the pretrib removal of the Church and the carnal 1,000 year kingdom.

In Hebrews 12:18-24 we find that we are not come to the mountain that burns with fire (Sinia), but instead to the heavenly city of Mount Zion, and the New blood Covenant of Jesus Christ.

The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.

The New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.
Therefore, the Age of Grace cannot come to an end.


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[Marilyn C]

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The "nations" (Matthew 25:31-46) and "wrath" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" (John 5:27-30), and "reward" and "destruction" are found right after the 7th trumpet, which is the time when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever", in Revelation 11:15. You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
This verse kills a carnal millennium, where sin and death remain for 1,000 years.

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Good scripture there bro, however you need to tally it up with all scriptures on that topic - time of the great White Throne. Matt. 25 is certainly not the great white throne as I`ve been telling the bro (Truth) that people who do GOOD WORKS (Matt 25) are NOT going into eternity.

As to John `all who are IN THE GRAVES...` that is not the nations sitting before the Lord in Matt. 25.

You need to read a tad more carefully bro.

 

[seventysevens]

you always assume that everyone follows Darby ..he is your scapegoat
Fact is that there is a Literal 1000 year time that satan is imprisoned and is released to deceive the inhabitants of earth , your whole doctrine falls apart like a rotten piece of wood , You don't even have any understanding at all why the rapture happens - lest alone when

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant of Christ the doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America about the time of the Civil War, falls apart like a piece of rotten wood.
And along with it falls the pretrib removal of the Church and the carnal 1,000 year kingdom.













Christ was the final sacrifice in the New Covenant.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (See Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

You cannot have the lion and the lamb lay down together and then pluck up the lamb and cut its throat for a blood sacrifice, for a memorial or any other reason.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.The "nations" (Matthew 25:31-46) and "wrath" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" (John 5:27-30), and "reward" and "destruction" are found right after the 7th trumpet, which is the time when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
This verse kills a carnal millennium, where sin and death remain for 1,000 years.

Will the one who conquered sin and death at Calvary officiate funeral services during your 1,000 year carnal kingdom?

If these long lived mortals die, where will their souls go since Christ is on earth during this time?

The first resurrection is found in John 5:24, when a person passes from death to life, upon faith in Christ.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology.

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[BABerean2]

Good scripture there bro, however you need to tally it up with all scriptures on that topic - time of the great White Throne. Matt. 25 is certainly not the great white throne as I`ve been telling the bro (Truth) that people who do GOOD WORKS (Matt 25) are NOT going into eternity.

As to John `all who are IN THE GRAVES...` that is not the nations sitting before the Lord in Matt. 25.

You need to read a tad more carefully bro.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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[seventysevens]

If you had studied the topic you would know - obviously you don't know
It is the resurrection of a people - not of persons - they are descendants of Jacob (Israel)

I guess in your mind, anytime I disagree with you, I must not have "studied the topic".








You might want to check that arrogance of yours the next time you pray. It's not a good look.