Met with the Missionaries?

[Der Alte]

The trashing of a large group of people who do their best to follow Christ by those who claim to be followers themselves here is not of God.

Buzz words intended to inflame. How about words like interact, discuss, relate, explain, question, demonstrate, reveal, etc. But those words won't have the desired inflammatory effect, will they?

FB: Tell me how you can know the difference what is symbolic and what is literal?

If the plain sense, of scripture, makes good sense, it is nonsense, to look for any other sense.

 

[emerald Dragon]

I hope they are still thankful on the day of judgment ED

I am sure that they will be, and I can guarantee that I will be.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[Rescued One]

The trashing of a large group of people who do their best to follow Christ by those who claim to be followers themselves here is not of God.

This sounds like the Poor Little Ol' Me syndrome. I do not trash people. Pointing out errors is not trashing people. Pointing out truth is not trashing people.

God loves you and wants you to come to Him. Don't let your church get in the way of that.

God gave me the most wonderful gift: eternal life. I would like to see you receive that gift, too.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[rnmomof7]

You sadden me, sister. None of us are perfect. And the Holy Catholic Church is just fine in Mexico, in spite of my being a Deacon in the small town of Rosarito who visits with Mormons. Christ meet with unbelievers. Are you better than He? Further, I am not converting to Mormons, I am only studying them, as I have many religions, and as do many of my fellow clergymen. True, meeting with Mormon missionaries is probably out of order, and I have discontinued my meetings with them because they wanted me to be baptized, and I am already baptized. You pass judgment too easily. Perhaps you are in need of repentance more than me. And you lack faith.

Que les vayan con Dios.

IF you are a deacon you have violated your vow .
Your agreement with some of their doctrines is contrary to the beliefs held by the vatican .

You need to address this with your confessor and the Pastor of your church.

"A double minded person is unstable in all his ways "
You can not have one foot in a religion that deny one of the creeds and that demands marriage for exhaultation (seeing you have a vow on that )

 

[rnmomof7]

I am sure that they will be, and I can guarantee that I will be.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

I do not think so .

I have a question , seeing the mormons dislike the symbol of the cross so much , why do you have one on your posts ?

 

[calgal]

Duende:

With no ill will intended, which parish are you in? I live near Mexico and am planning a trip down there and would like to see the local church.

 

[twhite982]

I do not think so .

I have a question , seeing the mormons dislike the symbol of the cross so much , why do you have one on your posts ?

You're begging the question here.

The cross for me is a symbol of the ulimate sacrifice made on my behalf. Because I choose not to wear a cross does this mean I don't have gratitude in my heart for Savior? Does it mean I don't love and worship Him? Does this mean I don't remember He was innocently nailed to a cross for me?

Of course not. These things are written in my heart and I would hope its apparent in my actions.

Tom

 

[twhite982]

delete

 

[baker]

I smell a trap.

Just kidding, CalGal.

Twhite,

You sound paranoid. The truth cannot be "trapped".

 

[baker]

You're begging the question here.

The cross for me is a symbol of the ulimate sacrifice made on my behalf. Because I choose not to wear a cross does this mean I don't have gratitude in my heart for Savior? Does it mean I don't love and worship Him? Does this mean I don't remember He was innocently nailed to a cross for me?


Tom

No, not at all. It simply means you are following the jewelry protocol the leaders of your church have established. I think it has nothing to with free will of choice. No lds members who want to remain in goodstanding with the bretheren will wear a cross. Same thing with earings! Hinkley came out with the inspired words on this about two yrs ago. Good use prophetic inspiration.

Next thing you know the bretheren will be deciding what is proper intimate behavior between husband and wife. Oh wait, they already did that back in 1982 didn't they?

 

[twhite982]

Twhite,

You sound paranoid. The truth cannot be "trapped".

I was just joking.

Sorry I shouldn't have said it, I'll delete it.

Tom

 

[twhite982]

No, not at all. It simply means you are following the jewelry protocol the leaders of your church have established. I think it has nothing to with free will of choice. No lds members who want to remain in goodstanding with the bretheren will wear a cross. Same thing with earings! Hinkley came out with the inspired words on this about two yrs ago. Good use prophetic inspiration.

Next thing you know the bretheren will be deciding what is proper intimate behavior between husband and wife. Oh wait, they already did that back in 1982 didn't they?

Baker you're starting to tip-toe the fine line of ANNOYING.

rnmomof7 WAS begging the question since he/she was assuming LDS dislike the cross. Newsflash I'm LDS and don't dislike the cross. My wife is LDS and she wears here crucifix to church. (She used to be Catholic).

The cross is more than just jewelry, whether or not LDS tradition is not to wear a crucifix or post a cross in church.

Tom

 

[calgal]

Baker you're starting to tip-toe the fine line of ANNOYING.

rnmomof7 WAS begging the question since he/she was assuming LDS dislike the cross. Newsflash I'm LDS and don't dislike the cross. My wife is LDS and she wears here crucifix to church. (She used to be Catholic).

The cross is more than just jewelry, whether or not LDS tradition is not to wear a crucifix or post a cross in church.

Tom

Tom:

Allow me to clarify a point for you: when I was Mormon I was told that wearing a cross as a Mormon was equivalent to wearing a noose or gun since the cross according to my Gospel Doctrines teachers was an implement of death. I am not sure if that changed since i have not attended an LDS church meeting in a while.

 

[skylark1]

Twhite,

I am aware that here in Utah, a lot of LDS do find the cross offensive, especially wearing a cross necklace. I know this because I have heard a number of LDS say so. There was an incident in Orem a few months ago where a first grader was mocked,ridiculed, and called names by her classmates because she wore a cross necklace. The situation was severe enough to call all parents of the involved children to a meeting. I could probably find a link to an article about this from the SL Tribune if you would like. I have heard of somewhat similar stories, but they usually did not involve calling up parents. I am very glad that you are able to find symbolism in the cross, but I have been told by different LDS that to them it is merely an instument of death. It is good to know that all LDS do not hold this belief.

 

[skylark1]

Calgal,

I have been told those exact words by LDS - that wearing a cross necklace is like wearing a gun or a noose.

 

[rnmomof7]

You're begging the question here.

The cross for me is a symbol of the ulimate sacrifice made on my behalf. Because I choose not to wear a cross does this mean I don't have gratitude in my heart for Savior? Does it mean I don't love and worship Him? Does this mean I don't remember He was innocently nailed to a cross for me?

Of course not. These things are written in my heart and I would hope its apparent in my actions.

Tom

Respectfully the question was not to you..but to ED with whom I had a discussion on this before.

The truth is your church has traditionally taught the atonement was in the garden....not at the cross.

I know you love your savior...

 

[twhite982]

Tom:

Allow me to clarify a point for you: when I was Mormon I was told that wearing a cross as a Mormon was equivalent to wearing a noose or gun since the cross according to my Gospel Doctrines teachers was an implement of death. I am not sure if that changed since i have not attended an LDS church meeting in a while.

I'm very sorry to hear that.

I would think this teacher has a poor misunderstanding of the cross and its horrible to hear it spoken of as a noose or a gun. True it was a horrible way to die and many have met that fate, but in this case its meaning is deeper than just death.

While I don't intently focus on Christ's death on the cross every waking moment, I do remember it each Sabaath as I partake of the bread and water to remind me of His broken body and spilt blood on my behalf.

For me showing through my actions that I remember this event is more important than the jewelry around my neck.

 

[rnmomof7]

No, not at all. It simply means you are following the jewelry protocol the leaders of your church have established. I think it has nothing to with free will of choice. No lds members who want to remain in goodstanding with the bretheren will wear a cross. Same thing with earings! Hinkley came out with the inspired words on this about two yrs ago. Good use prophetic inspiration.

Next thing you know the bretheren will be deciding what is proper intimate behavior between husband and wife. Oh wait, they already did that back in 1982 didn't they?

Ah the truth very refreshing

 

[twhite982]

Twhite,

I am aware that here in Utah, a lot of LDS do find the cross offensive, especially wearing a cross necklace. I know this because I have heard a number of LDS say so. There was an incident in Orem a few months ago where a first grader was mocked,ridiculed, and called names by her classmates because she wore a cross necklace. The situation was severe enough to call all parents of the involved children to a meeting. I could probably find a link to an article about this from the SL Tribune if you would like. I have heard of somewhat similar stories, but they usually did not involve calling up parents. I am very glad that you are able to find symbolism in the cross, but I have been told by different LDS that to them it is merely an instument of death. It is good to know that all LDS do not hold this belief.

As I stated earlier it is tradition to not focus on the cross as display or item of worship, but this in no way says that we should reverence the one who died on the cross and remember that horrific event on our behalf. Additionally I mentioned the sacrament that we take each week as a reminder of this death.

I have no idea why those people would behave in a manner like that.
Its saddens me to hear that. From those Mormons that I do know, I haven't seen these similiar actions because if I did I would immediately say something.

Tom

 

[baker]

Baker you're starting to tip-toe the fine line of ANNOYING.

rnmomof7 WAS begging the question since he/she was assuming LDS dislike the cross. Newsflash I'm LDS and don't dislike the cross. My wife is LDS and she wears here crucifix to church. (She used to be Catholic).

The cross is more than just jewelry, whether or not LDS tradition is not to wear a crucifix or post a cross in church.

Tom

Twhite,

I'm beginning to think that those who post the facts are annoying you. It is NO SECRET that the lds church "discourages" the symbol of the cross. I have been told this by missionaries and bishops in your church numerous times. The former members on this board have spoken to support this. I think it is more a control issue for the bretheren over their flock. Many things they do are the same. Hinkley's designation of earings on both men and female is but another. Kimball's letter on appropriate intimate behavior between a man and wife in 1982 is another. I don't make these things up, they are true!