Met with the Missionaries?

[calgal]

Improves the numbers...do they take away membership it the team are losers ?

They want the numbers and they know most of the kids won't ever return.

 

[Rescued One]

I have studied such sites, and others like them. They sound very much like the many anticatholic sites with which I must deal so often. It seems that people enjoy discrediting other peoples' religions. I'm not sure why that is. Pride perhaps? It happens to almost all religions, including orthodox Christianity. Always those out there seeking to prove they are right and someone else is wrong. This is a sad state of affairs, in my humble opinion.

I have continued meeting with the people of the Mormon Church down here and studying on my own. I must admit, growing up Catholic there is much about my religion that I have never questioned, but I must admit that questions have now come. I have studied religion all my life, and I believe that much of what the Mormons say makes sense. My priest would be very sad if he knew of these thoughts. I am a deacon in the Roman Catholic Church, but for some reason I feel inspired to study this Mormon beliefs. Perhaps it is just my desire to learn. I love to study. I do not know.

I can tell you about those sites. Those people are very sincere Christians who grieve for their fellowmen. We don't want to see people deceived by the teachings of men. Those ministries serve to warn people about the deception of Mormonism. Mormons believe that anti-Mormonism literature is of the devil. When I was a Mormon, I wouldn't read what was considered anti-Mormon literature. But I read my Bible and discovered that what is in the pages of the Bible doesn't line up with Mormonism. I hope you will put more of your time into studying God's word with the help of the Holy Spirit rather than the help of LDS missionaries.

Sincerely,

GWiT

 

[Duende]

I can tell you about those sites. Those people are very sincere Christians who grieve for their fellowmen. We don't want to see people deceived by the teachings of men. Those ministries serve to warn people about the deception of Mormonism. Mormons believe that anti-Mormonism literature is of the devil. When I was a Mormon, I wouldn't read what was considered anti-Mormon literature. But I read my Bible and discovered that what is in the pages of the Bible doesn't line up with Mormonism. I hope you will put more of your time into studying God's word with the help of the Holy Spirit rather than the help of LDS missionaries.

Sincerely,

GWiT

Do you feel the same about the anticatholic sites?

 

[elderbell]

There was a higher law. But the people that Moses led out of Egypt were not ready for it. So the Law of Moses was set forth as a lesser law which Christ fullfilled by his crucifixion. The higher law was to be brought forth after the Great Apostasy in what is now the Last Dispensation. Honestly, how hard is it to believe all this, makes perfect sense. God is unchanging and through his unconditional love for us he has always provided a way back. There is a pattern, and a process. He gives us that which we are expedient to know by his will. He has also foreordained those who will bring forth his plan at the head of his people. So how hard is it to understand that Joseph Smith was called forth in the Last Days to build the Lord's church and the Restored Gospel to be returned to the knowledge of man. Those of you who think we need no prophet and only the Bible are lost. Scripture without guidance from God(and revelation through an Ordained Prophet of God, being ordained as such through the Keys of the Priesthood), is merely subjective to the wit and carnal sense of man...which is of the devil.

 

[Rescued One]

Do you feel the same about the anticatholic sites?

I don't think I've been to any anti-Catholicism sites. But I am a Protestant. I was interested in converting to Catholicism at one time, but I changed my mind after visiting the Vatican.

 

[thewonderfultruth]

You find it "profound" that they are taught how to bare their testimony

Well, that is simply not true.

rather than speaking from what they learn in the Word of God? You think it is a good thing that they are cut off from the rest of the "real" world

Is not cutting yourself off from unclean things on TV, instead choosing to study the scriptures a good idea for people who wish to bear testimony?

 

[skylark1]

There was a higher law. But the people that Moses led out of Egypt were not ready for it. So the Law of Moses was set forth as a lesser law which Christ fullfilled by his crucifixion. The higher law was to be brought forth after the Great Apostasy in what is now the Last Dispensation.

Can you or anyone else support any of this from scripture? Specific verses would be appreciated.

Those of you who think we need no prophet and only the Bible are lost. Scripture without guidance from God(and revelation through an Ordained Prophet of God, being ordained as such through the Keys of the Priesthood), is merely subjective to the wit and carnal sense of man...which is of the devil.

Is it your belief that the Holy Spirit will only guide those who are LDS?

 

[skylark1]

thewonderfultruth,

Welcome to CF.

 

[thewonderfultruth]

Thank you, I was only going to be a reader, but I couldn't hold out longer than 2 days

 

[leeuniverse]

Lee baby, at the age of 10 do you really expect us to believe that YOU chose the lds church!? Come on now, who really chose it for you?

At the age of 2 I was placed in my first foster home. During the next 8 years from living in several different homes, I was active in 10 different religions.
Yes, it was so mostly because of those whom I lived with, but I was essentially on my own my entire life and simply went with the flow and observered.

Yes, I obviously wasn't a great theologian at the age of 10, but you would be surprised what a child can see who isn't sheltered under any one paradigm of human thought.
I simply observed and experienced what these various religions taught and practiced and compared it to what the Bible actually said, and given the variety of experience it was easy to then compare the differences in every aspect, human development and interaction, doctrines, practices, etc.

So, given the variety of experience I had had of human nature and religious beliefs, it was easy to see what religion had even a leg to stand on as to being the closest to that of perfection and truth. The only one that was was the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Yes, I didn't know if it was actually "true" or not until I was 21, and that was after experiencing and learning many other things including sin and Eastern philosophy's and practices, as well as falling away from the Church and religion itself; but I always new that if there was a true religion on the earth, this was the ONLY ONE that actually fit all the requirments in the Bible and for Human Development.

Hence yes, I myself CHOSE the LDS Church over any other belief system.
Yes, the people I lived with at the time were lds, but they allowed me to chose for myself what I wanted, and even wouldn't let me join until I took the missionary discussions and was sure I wanted to join.
I was active in the Church for two years before I chose to join, so there was absolutely no pressure on me to do so. I could have joined it at eight remember, but I wasn't interested in doing so until I had sufficiently "tested" the Faith, wether it was the best or not.
I wasn't interested in being in a religion unless it had the most perfect Plan of Salvation (i.e. all needful truths).

Thus, I wasn't programed to think or see any one particular way. I was literally a child that was "teachable", thus pure to receive the Truth and not mans truths, and this ONLY was able to occure because of the balanced experience I had been able to know without any kind of judgement or preconcieved notions, unlike the baggage that most adults bring to their future learnings, thus they only see what they want to see instead of the Truth.

Only when man puts away their Pride and are Humble, Meek, and teachable as a little child will they see and recieve of the Gifts of God.
I was fortunate to have had the experience early on, and to have developed the drive to know Truth.
In my late teens though, I still had to have the Trial of my Faith before the true miracle could happen. Thankfully, I passed the test and remembered Gods promise, that He Gives to those who ask.
Sadly, all of my younger siblings of my birth parents are lost to the Joy's I've been able to know because of Knowing Him AND His Sure Truths.

Anyway, John 7:17...... Only those who "DO" the will of the Father will know if what is taught is from God or of men.
Sadly again, few have "done" even close to enough to Judge Wisely between the Works of God, and the works of men, so they are like those who Crucified the Christ, for they know not what they do in their unrighteous and false judgement of His Servants.

 

[leeuniverse]

I have studied such sites, and others like them. They sound very much like the many anticatholic sites with which I must deal so often. It seems that people enjoy discrediting other peoples' religions. I'm not sure why that is. Pride perhaps? It happens to almost all religions, including orthodox Christianity. Always those out there seeking to prove they are right and someone else is wrong. This is a sad state of affairs, in my humble opinion.

I have continued meeting with the people of the Mormon Church down here and studying on my own. I must admit, growing up Catholic there is much about my religion that I have never questioned, but I must admit that questions have now come. I have studied religion all my life, and I believe that much of what the Mormons say makes sense. My priest would be very sad if he knew of these thoughts. I am a deacon in the Roman Catholic Church, but for some reason I feel inspired to study this Mormon beliefs. Perhaps it is just my desire to learn. I love to study. I do not know.

Very well said Duende..... I commend you for your wisdom and discernment.
It is my belief that it is not of God to degrade others, nor to falsely misrepresent anothers beliefs and history.
It is not our "job" to destroy the Fruits of God and His Righteousness.
Thus, one is definately not serving God by destroying Faith in Him.
As someone who has been a critic of the Church and especially religion in general, I'm intimately aware of the evils that such is.
We are to "defend" the Faith, not destroy it. We are to teach our beliefs in love and tolerance, and allow men their free agency to choose.
Only the Prophets of God have at times the "charge" to condem the World in whatever degree. Yet, there still should be wisdom and restraint.
There is all of such restraint in the Restored Church of Jesus Christ.

I hope you saw my links in my previous post..... Take care.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

And, being the good person you are, you will likely end up in paradise and the terestial kingdom, where you will be with Jesus forever. Thus, the views you have are likely going to take you where you want to be. And you will be happy there. Congrats.

Jesus and God the father are in the same place and will be forever. That place is called Heaven. There is only one God and Jesus and God the Father are persons of that one God. I will be with both of them in Heaven because they are the same God and yes, that is exactly where I want to be.

Grace

 

[fatboys]

Jesus and God the father are in the same place and will be forever. That place is called Heaven. There is only one God and Jesus and God the Father are persons of that one God. I will be with both of them in Heaven because they are the same God and yes, that is exactly where I want to be.

Grace

How do you know this is true Happy? Prove that it is correct.

 

[rnmomof7]

I have studied such sites, and others like them. They sound very much like the many anticatholic sites with which I must deal so often. It seems that people enjoy discrediting other peoples' religions. I'm not sure why that is. Pride perhaps? It happens to almost all religions, including orthodox Christianity. Always those out there seeking to prove they are right and someone else is wrong. This is a sad state of affairs, in my humble opinion.

I have continued meeting with the people of the Mormon Church down here and studying on my own. I must admit, growing up Catholic there is much about my religion that I have never questioned, but I must admit that questions have now come. I have studied religion all my life, and I believe that much of what the Mormons say makes sense. My priest would be very sad if he knew of these thoughts. I am a deacon in the Roman Catholic Church, but for some reason I feel inspired to study this Mormon beliefs. Perhaps it is just my desire to learn. I love to study. I do not know.

Wow are you a QUICK study Duende !!

You are right that your priest would be upset as you could no longer be a professing Catholic as their soteriology as Mormonism refutes the creeds that you had to agree with to be a deacon .

Also if you are what you say you are , you of course know the Catholic church does not accept the baptism of the mormons as valid (as it does all Protestant baptisms , because it is not preformed in the name of the Trinity of the bible) and recently the vatican has spoken out about the Mormon practice of the baptism of the dead, as they have been baptizing saints in the church.

I am a calvinist , and there are many anti calvinist sites out there...but that does not mean that I should buy into a religion that teaches a false god and a false jesus and a false salvation .


If you are a deacon in the catholic church I would advise you to speak to your superiors as you do not seem to have a firm grasp or belief in the Catholic doctrine or an ability . You should not be in a position to teach or lead the sheep of the church especial if you you meet with Mormons without their knowledge as that is dishonest and in a way a abuse of your vocation

 

[Rescued One]

Very well said Duende..... I commend you for your wisdom and discernment.
It is my belief that it is not of God to degrade others, nor to falsely misrepresent anothers beliefs and history.
It is not our "job" to destroy the Fruits of God and His Righteousness.
Thus, one is definately not serving God by destroying Faith in Him.
As someone who has been a critic of the Church and especially religion in general, I'm intimately aware of the evils that such is.
We are to "defend" the Faith, not destroy it. We are to teach our beliefs in love and tolerance, and allow men their free agency to choose.
Only the Prophets of God have at times the "charge" to condem the World in whatever degree. Yet, there still should be wisdom and restraint.
There is all of such restraint in the Restored Church of Jesus Christ.

I hope you saw my links in my previous post..... Take care.

First of all, Christian ministries, like Utah Lighthouse, Concerned Christians, and Mission to Mormons, do not degrade people. They are concerned Christians who are exposing the truth about Mormonism. We/they are not destroying anyone's faith. We are here to help people see that they shouldturn away from the false teachings of Mormonism and put their faith in the real God of the Bible. Mormons have added man's words to God's and God is going to reprove them. It's sad that more LDS don't want to come to God. They seem to be hung up on the pride of accomplishing works toward the exaltation they'll never have.

1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(Romans 10)

 

[happyinhisgrace]

How do you know this is true Happy? Prove that it is correct.

Do you believe the Bible to be the Word of God? If so then read the Bible for your proof. I don't have to prove anything to you. If you really want to know what God says about it, read the Bible. The Bible says that Jesus resides with the Father and if we go to Heaven with God, we are with the Father and Jesus because they are the same God and reside together. If you believe the Bible to be the Word of God then read it for your "proof" and allow God to "prove" it to you.

How do I know it to be true? Because I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I believe God to be truthful and not a liar.

Grace

 

[skylark1]

How do you know this is true Happy? Prove that it is correct.

I hope that you don't mind me responding to this as well.




Jesus and God the father are in the same place and will be forever. That place is called Heaven

John 20
7Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "


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There is only one God and Jesus and God the Father are persons of that one God.

Deuteronomy 6
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isaiah 46
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

John 14
10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

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I will be with both of them in Heaven because they are the same God and yes, that is exactly where I want to be.

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14
2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.​

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[fatboys]

I hope that you don't mind me responding to this as well.




Jesus and God the father are in the same place and will be forever. That place is called Heaven

John 20
7Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "


​

There is only one God and Jesus and God the Father are persons of that one God.

Deuteronomy 6
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isaiah 46
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

John 14
10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

​

I will be with both of them in Heaven because they are the same God and yes, that is exactly where I want to be.

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14
2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.​

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Sky, you have always been fairly decent, and I thank you for that, but this does not give me anything more. How do you Sky know that the bible is the word of God. That the supposed truths in it are not just wise men writting for us so we can live happier lives.

 

[thewonderfultruth]

First of all, Christian ministries, like Utah Lighthouse, Concerned Christians, and Mission to Mormons, do not degrade people. They are concerned Christians who are exposing the truth about Mormonism.

"Concerned Christians" don't lie about or distort other people's beliefs.

 

[emerald Dragon]

They don't want to speak about their reasons. In fact they have cut themselves off completely. My neighbors wife has told him he is going to Hell. That is what christianity is all about.

NO, that is not what Christianity is all about, you are so very wrong on that one. Christianity is about Jesus, it is about the one triune God. That is what it is all about.

On the other hand, I am glad to see an LDS member finally distinguish themself from Christianity. It is refreshing to see a true believing LDS person to honestly say that they are not part of Christianity. Or rather that thier church is different than Christianity. I appreciate your honesty very much and now, how about embracing the God of Christianity. He waits for you with open arms, he will accept you, just as you are, just as he did for the rest of us.

God Bless,
Grace

We have accepted the God of Christianity, the same God tha you worship. You will find a lot of people in this Church that agree with the statement that we are different from the rest of Christianity. We acknowledge that, but we are still Christians, in the sense that we Worship God, and believe in the Eternal gift of His Son, Jesus the Christ, our Saviour and Messiah.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon