Met with the Missionaries?

[happyinhisgrace]

You know why I don't want to go into details and it has nothing to do with me being "deceptive" as you put it.

I have stood my ground on many issues you've raised and have been more than happy to discuss things with you, so don't play that card, since you know why I won't have this discussion.

Tom

No, I think you misunderstood, you referred to me as "deceptive", not I to you.

Grace

 

[Duende]

Duende, also it is important to mention that when these missionaries are at the Missionary Training Center, they even practice "baring their testimonies" of the church. They have rooms that are set up like a living room, and they have doors on them. They do 15 minute rotating sessions where they practice knocking on the door of the room (which is meant to represent a prospective house when going door to door) then they go in and present a discussion lesson to someone who has volenteered to play the part of "a prospective investigator", all of these sessions are video taped and after they are all done with the rotation of door to door, the leaders (trainers) go over the videos and tell the missionaries what they did wrong, what they "should" have said and better ways to "bare their testimony" of the "true" church. It is a major sales training center. When I was blinded by satan to the LDS beliefs (I am no longer lds) I volenteered quite often to play the "possible investigator" at the MTC in Provo Utah. So, anyway....the reason these young men and women are effictive at times and seem so sincere in what they believe is because they are trained to be so. They are denied any influence from the outside world such as TV, computer, phone calls (except on Christmas and MOthers day) and reading of any non lds approved materials. They eat, breathe and sleep the lds teachings at the MTC and on the rest of their missions.

Grace

Sounds very much like the Catholic clergy, only we are less disciplined. No wonder I'm fond of these fellows. They actual do something profound about that in which they believe.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Sounds very much like the Catholic clergy, only we are less disciplined. No wonder I'm fond of these fellows. They actual do something profound about that in which they believe.

You find it "profound" that they are taught how to bare their testimony of the church rather than speaking from what they learn in the Word of God? You think it is a good thing that they are cut off from the rest of the "real" world and denied their own "thought process" ?

I know very little about the Catholic preperations for priesthood. I have a good elderly friend who is a priest, who studied at the Vatican and has been in the Catholic priesthood for many, many years but we have never discussed what is required to become a priest, at least we haven't discussed it in detail anyway. He served many years of his priesthood in Utah, so he knows a great deal about the LDS church and the LDS people so we talk often about that but I don't know details of what he went through to get into the preisthood of the Catholic church. Can you inlighten me on the topic or direct me to some information on it, he has recently left for his "winter" vacation so I can't ask him about it now. Actually you could just PM me with the information if you have time, that would be great.

Grace

 

[Duende]

Actually you could just PM me with the information if you have time, that would be great.

Grace

Done.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Done.

Thank you

Grace

 

[fatboys]

Duende, also it is important to mention that when these missionaries are at the Missionary Training Center, they even practice "baring their testimonies" of the church.

FB: I am not sure what you mean by practicing bearing testimonies, many of the missionaries have been doing so long before they ever came to the mission training center. Perhaps they learn how to not be so awkward at sharing their feelings of the gospel so people can more clearly understand what they are really trying to say. I will say this, that no matter how much preparation done in the Mission Training Center can not prepare you enough for the real world. There comes a time in everyones life that they must stand on their own two feet.

They have rooms that are set up like a living room, and they have doors on them. They do 15 minute rotating sessions where they practice knocking on the door of the room (which is meant to represent a prospective house when going door to door) then they go in and present a discussion lesson to someone who has volenteered to play the part of "a prospective investigator", all of these sessions are video taped and after they are all done with the rotation of door to door, the leaders (trainers) go over the videos and tell the missionaries what they did wrong, what they "should" have said and better ways to "bare their testimony" of the "true" church.

FB: They are trying to help the Elder take advantage of the time they have to be on missions. When I went I was trained for three days, and off to England. First night there I was knocking on doors. Scared to death, but I knew something before I went. The Gospel had been restored, and I knew what it was like to have the dark feeling of not knowing there was a God, or anything. After I had learned God was real, and that there was a living prophet, the spirit of God motivated me to do what I was called to do. You may not agree with it, but I am here to tell you that I know that God is real, I know first hand that Satan is real, and wants to destroy us all. God wants us to be successful in learning of him, and has given to us the means by more of his word, and living oracles which commune with God as did the ancients of old. I don't know why some of you have left the church. I have a neighbor who's wife and daugher have left. They don't want to speak about their reasons. In fact they have cut themselves off completely. My neighbors wife has told him he is going to Hell. That is what christianity is all about. Judging us. Well we are not going to Hell, we are going to obey the commandments of God to the best of our ability and then let Christ lift us the rest of the way.

I do know that from many of your posts, those who have left, the church have such bitterness, that it is cankering your soul. You say you know you are going to be with Jesus, but have no idea how to tell anyone how you know you are.

It is a major sales training center. When I was blinded by satan to the LDS beliefs (I am no longer lds) I volenteered quite often to play the "possible investigator" at the MTC in Provo Utah. So, anyway....the reason these young men and women are effictive at times and seem so sincere in what they believe is because they are trained to be so. They are denied any influence from the outside world such as TV, computer, phone calls (except on Christmas and MOthers day) and reading of any non lds approved materials. They eat, breathe and sleep the lds teachings at the MTC and on the rest of their missions.

Grace

FB: If I had not known that God was real, and that his Church had been restored, I would not have gone anywhere. This may not be true for everyone, but I promise you that I would not have wasted my time knocking on doors to bring something that I did not know was true. The experience I had on my mission has carried me through many rough times in my life. When I begin to doubt myself, I remember the sweet spirit that testified to my very soul of the truth. Any sincere person wanting to know the truth can find out the very same way. It is promised, and I partook. I was fed and enlightened. I have spent many years in studying other religions. I am no expert, but know that there is only one that makes the promises of knowledge of truth. That is the LDS belief. You can say that Satan is behind it, but I say that I know Satan, and this is not his work. You have no idea what it is like to come from the darkness to the light. You say that the LDS faith has no light, yet you followed it at one time. You seen something in it. I think that many who leave can not live the standards of the church. Where much is expected, much can be given. You were given a test to remain faithful to the truth, and you let it pass by you. For what ever reasons. You can say it was this or that, but I know from experience that if your testimony, which you say has to be practiced, was strong, you would have endured. It is not to late for you, and when you are writting the bitterness of your posts, think about what it would feel like to write something positive for a change. In stead, you say, I am saved because I believe it to be so. Prove it to me that you are saved. Show me how the Lord has told you these things. Have you seen an angel, or did you feel the spirit of the Lord tell you these things. But these words will go unanswered as usual.

 

[emerald Dragon]

BRAVO!!!!

Well said, fatboys.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[rnmomof7]

FB: I am not sure what you mean by practicing bearing testimonies, many of the missionaries have been doing so long before they ever came to the mission training center. Perhaps they learn how to not be so awkward at sharing their feelings of the gospel so people can more clearly understand what they are really trying to say. I will say this, that no matter how much preparation done in the Mission Training Center can not prepare you enough for the real world. There comes a time in everyones life that they must stand on their own two feet.



FB: They are trying to help the Elder take advantage of the time they have to be on missions. When I went I was trained for three days, and off to England. First night there I was knocking on doors. Scared to death, but I knew something before I went. The Gospel had been restored, and I knew what it was like to have the dark feeling of not knowing there was a God, or anything. After I had learned God was real, and that there was a living prophet, the spirit of God motivated me to do what I was called to do. You may not agree with it, but I am here to tell you that I know that God is real, I know first hand that Satan is real, and wants to destroy us all. God wants us to be successful in learning of him, and has given to us the means by more of his word, and living oracles which commune with God as did the ancients of old. I don't know why some of you have left the church. I have a neighbor who's wife and daugher have left. They don't want to speak about their reasons. In fact they have cut themselves off completely. My neighbors wife has told him he is going to Hell. That is what christianity is all about. Judging us. Well we are not going to Hell, we are going to obey the commandments of God to the best of our ability and then let Christ lift us the rest of the way.

I do know that from many of your posts, those who have left, the church have such bitterness, that it is cankering your soul. You say you know you are going to be with Jesus, but have no idea how to tell anyone how you know you are.



FB: If I had not known that God was real, and that his Church had been restored, I would not have gone anywhere. This may not be true for everyone, but I promise you that I would not have wasted my time knocking on doors to bring something that I did not know was true. The experience I had on my mission has carried me through many rough times in my life. When I begin to doubt myself, I remember the sweet spirit that testified to my very soul of the truth. Any sincere person wanting to know the truth can find out the very same way. It is promised, and I partook. I was fed and enlightened. I have spent many years in studying other religions. I am no expert, but know that there is only one that makes the promises of knowledge of truth. That is the LDS belief. You can say that Satan is behind it, but I say that I know Satan, and this is not his work. You have no idea what it is like to come from the darkness to the light. You say that the LDS faith has no light, yet you followed it at one time. You seen something in it. I think that many who leave can not live the standards of the church. Where much is expected, much can be given. You were given a test to remain faithful to the truth, and you let it pass by you. For what ever reasons. You can say it was this or that, but I know from experience that if your testimony, which you say has to be practiced, was strong, you would have endured. It is not to late for you, and when you are writting the bitterness of your posts, think about what it would feel like to write something positive for a change. In stead, you say, I am saved because I believe it to be so. Prove it to me that you are saved. Show me how the Lord has told you these things. Have you seen an angel, or did you feel the spirit of the Lord tell you these things. But these words will go unanswered as usual.

I once read a testimony of a young Mormon that was having a faith crisis while he was in the training , he spoke to the men that were on staff several times all that got him was watched more closely . Finely he felt he had to leave. But when he attempted it they would no let him leave.

He had to sneak out of the building and run to get away from the staff whose job it is to keep the kids there .

He went into the nearby town and hid in a coffee shop until the bus came.

I got the impression that unity of thought is a demand there...no questions or doubts allowed

 

[skylark1]

My neighbors wife has told him he is going to Hell. That is what christianity is all about. Judging us.

No!!! That is NOT what Christianity is all about.

It is about a God who loved the world so very much that he sent his Son to die in your place and mine. It is about Him loving me enough to be with me; to guide me and comfort me. It is about glorifying Him, living for Him, and serving my fellow man. Part of serving our fellow man is to share the good news with them, the good news of God's love, mercy, and grace.

 

[baker]

BRAVO!!!!

Well said, fatboys.

"Well said" is highly questionable. Well supported it is not!

 

[fatboys]

No!!! That is NOT what Christianity is all about.

It is about a God who loved the world so very much that he sent his Son to die in your place and mine. It is about Him loving me enough to be with me; to guide me and comfort me. It is about glorifying Him, living for Him, and serving my fellow man. Part of serving our fellow man is to share the good news with them, the good news of God's love, mercy, and grace.

FB: And I am thankful for that Sky, but some here have condemned me to Hell for my beliefs. When in my heart I want the same thing you do. Serve God, and glorifying my Father in Heaven through obedience and sharing my faith with others.

 

[TOmNossor]

FB: And I am thankful for that Sky, but some here have condemned me to Hell for my beliefs. When in my heart I want the same thing you do. Serve God, and glorifying my Father in Heaven through obedience and sharing my faith with others.

First, I wanted to say, “well said Skylark.”

I just ate a bunch of crow (elsewhere) because I allowed my perception of some folk’s words to bleed into my perception of other folk’s words.



Christianity is a wonderful belief structure that can lift up those who follow the precepts contained in the Bible. I like Fatboys believe that there is a fullness within the CoJCoLDS. I like Fatboys have yet to see any evidence that I could respect myself as an exMormon. I think Fatboys’ criticism was too general. There is some truth in my mind to what he said had he said that exMormon Christianity is all about … If you are not a LDS you may think the problem is the CoJCoLDS, but I cannot see it that way.



Christians should lift each other up. This is not done by posting sacred things to shock, referring to respected leaders by curt names, or saying ugly thing on Temple square or the Internet. There is room for disagreement, but not ugliness.



Charity, TOm

 

[happyinhisgrace]

They don't want to speak about their reasons. In fact they have cut themselves off completely. My neighbors wife has told him he is going to Hell. That is what christianity is all about.

NO, that is not what Christianity is all about, you are so very wrong on that one. Christianity is about Jesus, it is about the one triune God. That is what it is all about.

On the other hand, I am glad to see an LDS member finally distinguish themself from Christianity. It is refreshing to see a true believing LDS person to honestly say that they are not part of Christianity. Or rather that thier church is different than Christianity. I appreciate your honesty very much and now, how about embracing the God of Christianity. He waits for you with open arms, he will accept you, just as you are, just as he did for the rest of us.

God Bless,
Grace

 

[happyinhisgrace]

You have no idea what it is like to come from the darkness to the light.

Oh yes, I do...I came from darkness into light when I left the LDS church and accepted Jesus and his simple truth.

You say that the LDS faith has no light, yet you followed it at one time. You seen something in it.

I was born and raised in it, I didn't know any different until I started to seek Jesus and the truth for myself (of course against the 'caution' of fellow lds who knew the truth would lead me out of the Mormon church)

I think that many who leave can not live the standards of the church. Where much is expected, much can be given.

LOL, typical responce. LDS are taught that people leave because they can't "live the lds standards", well you are right in one respect, I could not go on worshiping a false god and living the standards of unbiblical docterine that the lds church preaches. As far as the whole moral values, coffee, tea etc. I had no problem living those.

You were given a test to remain faithful to the truth, and you let it pass by you.

Yes, Satan presented me with a test and I failed misserably because I chose Jesus.

For what ever reasons. You can say it was this or that, but I know from experience that if your testimony, which you say has to be practiced, was strong, you would have endured.

My testimony is in Jesus now, not a false god of a false docterinally based church. I thank God every day for giving me the real Jesus and a testimony of that and for bringing me out of the false beliefs of the lds church that I was so emersed in for so long.

It is not to late for you, and when you are writting the bitterness of your posts, think about what it would feel like to write something positive for a change.

I think if anyone is bitter, it is you from the things you have written in this post and that is sad. So sad that you so detest Christianity and the God of the Bible and find people who speak what the Bible says to be such a spurn to you. I write lots of possitive things about Jesus and God, you just don't like that I write against the LDS church and that is what you choose to see when you read, once again...I am not suprized.

In stead, you say, I am saved because I believe it to be so. Prove it to me that you are saved. Show me how the Lord has told you these things.

He has told me so from His holy word, the Bible and I believe it. It is a simple thing, it is not hard to understand. However, for a person who follows a belief that teaches that God's word is currupt and full of error, of course that person would not believe what God has to say in the Bible.

Have you seen an angel,

Nope, no "angel of light" has appeared to me.

or did you feel the spirit of the Lord tell you these things. But these words will go unanswered as usual.

I don't base truth on feelings. I study God's word and use it as my measuring stick for truth. If something I "feel" goes against the Word of God then I know it is not of God. I wrote before on another thread what led me out of the LDS church and straight to Jesus, obviously you didn't read it or chose to ignore it if you did read it. The Bible is what led me to God. The more I read it and the more I prayed, the more God SHOWED me it was his Holy Word. It wasn't about "feelings", he showed it to me. Everyday he would point out something to me that I never noticed before or thought of before. Things in my everyday life, to things I read, heard, studied, etc. I didn't choose Jesus because it gave me a "warm fuzzy" feeling or because some "familiar" spirit appeared to me and told me "Jesus was truth", I chose him because he showed me over and over and over again that He was truth and His Holy Word was truth. Believe me when I tell you that I fought him on it for a long time, I wanted to believe the LDS chruch was true, I was raised lds, my entire family is lds, I had invested my entire life into that religion and those beliefs, my flesh DID NOT want to leave the LDS church but God had different plans for me and I thank Him for being so patient with me and for showing me His truth so so so so many times. He knows me so well that He knew he was really going to have to "prove" things to me to get me to leave the falsehoods I embraced and accept His simple gift. It was not a short process by any means and I took it very seriously. Once I finally humbled myself before God and accepted what he had been showing me all that time, yes, I did experience a peace that I had never experienced before. My entire life changed at that very moment and it has not been the same since. God changed me! It has been such an incredible walk with God these last 2 years. I just sit back in amazement at the changes God has made in my life. I stopped trying to "earn" his blessings for me and stopped trying "work" for His presence and since then, He has taken over and completely changed my life. Things that used to bother me, don't even phase me anymore, I have more patients with my family. My relationship with my husband has improved 100 times over, I find joy in little things that I never even noticed before. When the bills come in and there is no money, I don't worry one little bit about it because I know that God will provide a way and He always does. Life is sweeter now. The situations and problems of life are just as present as they used to be, if not more so but I am content and at peace with my life. I know that if I were to die tomarrow, I would be with my savior...not because of anything I have done to earn it but because of what he did for me. I know it because the Bible says it and I believe it. I have done NOTHING to change my life but Jesus has done everything to change it. I used to put soooooooo much effort into being the perfect wife, the perfect mother, the perfect friend, perfect lesson teacher at church, perfect example, perfect Mormon and never felt like I was doing enough or pleasing God enough. Now Jesus does it all for me (except the Mormon thing...lol) and I know He is pleased with me, I know I am going to Heaven and I believe in Him heart and soul. He is everything to me, everything! I don't need secret oaths and handshakes, I don't need perfect works and I don't need to follow the teachings of a "prophet" to get me into heaven with my God forever, I just need Jesus! The world will pass away one day and all this earthly stuff will be gone but I will be in Heaven at the feet of Lord, worshipping Him in awe and amazement, and that my friend, is all that matters!

Grace

 

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LDS conflicts the Bible in many ways; believing that God is flesh and blood, and that there are MANY gods. Scripture says otherwise --- only ONE God "none formed BEFORE Me and none formed AFTER Me; no God besides Me." (Isaiah 43:10. God is a spirit (Jn4:24), spirit has not flesh and bones (Luke24:39), God FILLS THE UNIVERSE (Jer23:24).

Jesus is not "A" god, He is part of the ONE God. Jesus has no beginning (Heb6:19-7:4), existed before He was born (Jn8:58 --- where He EQUATED Himself WITH God-the-Father --- the Jews clearly understood what He was saying, see Jn10:33).

Jesus ACCEPTED worship (which only GOD can do), Jesus forgave sins, Jesus said "_I_ will raise MY body".

The "only view that makes sense" is the idea of a tri-unity, one BEING existing in three PERSONS...

 

[AMMON]

[W]hat led me out of the LDS church and straight to Jesus, obviously you didn't read it or chose to ignore it if you did read it. The Bible is what led me to God. The more I read it and the more I prayed, the more God SHOWED me it was his Holy Word. It wasn't about "feelings", he showed it to me. Everyday he would point out something to me that I never noticed before or thought of before. Things in my everyday life, to things I read, heard, studied, etc. I didn't choose Jesus because it gave me a "warm fuzzy" feeling or because some "familiar" spirit appeared to me and told me "Jesus was truth", I chose him because he showed me over and over and over again that He was truth and His Holy Word was truth. Believe me when I tell you that I fought him on it for a long time, I wanted to believe the LDS chruch was true, I was raised lds, my entire family is lds, I had invested my entire life into that religion and those beliefs, my flesh DID NOT want to leave the LDS church but God had different plans for me and I thank Him for being so patient with me and for showing me His truth so so so so many times. He knows me so well that He knew he was really going to have to "prove" things to me to get me to leave the falsehoods I embraced and accept His simple gift. It was not a short process by any means and I took it very seriously. Once I finally humbled myself before God and accepted what he had been showing me all that time, yes, I did experience a peace that I had never experienced before. My entire life changed at that very moment and it has not been the same since. God changed me! It has been such an incredible walk with God these last 2 years. I just sit back in amazement at the changes God has made in my life. I stopped trying to "earn" his blessings for me and stopped trying "work" for His presence and since then, He has taken over and completely changed my life. Things that used to bother me, don't even phase me anymore, I have more patients with my family. My relationship with my husband has improved 100 times over, I find joy in little things that I never even noticed before. When the bills come in and there is no money, I don't worry one little bit about it because I know that God will provide a way and He always does. Life is sweeter now. The situations and problems of life are just as present as they used to be, if not more so but I am content and at peace with my life. I know that if I were to die tomarrow, I would be with my savior...not because of anything I have done to earn it but because of what he did for me. I know it because the Bible says it and I believe it. I have done NOTHING to change my life but Jesus has done everything to change it. I used to put soooooooo much effort into being the perfect wife, the perfect mother, the perfect friend, perfect lesson teacher at church, perfect example, perfect Mormon and never felt like I was doing enough or pleasing God enough. Now Jesus does it all for me (except the Mormon thing...lol) and I know He is pleased with me, I know I am going to Heaven and I believe in Him heart and soul. He is everything to me, everything! I don't need secret oaths and handshakes, I don't need perfect works and I don't need to follow the teachings of a "prophet" to get me into heaven with my God forever, I just need Jesus! The world will pass away one day and all this earthly stuff will be gone but I will be in Heaven at the feet of Lord, worshipping Him in awe and amazement, and that my friend, is all that matters!

Grace

And, being the good person you are, you will likely end up in paradise and the terestial kingdom, where you will be with Jesus forever. Thus, the views you have are likely going to take you where you want to be. And you will be happy there. Congrats.

 

[elderbell]

Well Grace, believe it or not me and you are a lot alike. Once I started actually being a responsible Mormon and got my head on straight...I put my shoulder to the wheel and worked like a gangbuster to be as perfect as possible. However, I burned out. I thought I had no shot at the Celestial Kingdom, like my faults were too significant and that there were millions of people better than me so why try. About two months before going to the MTC, things got so dark, so lonely, so disoriented for me I didn't know what to do. I contemplated just not going and living a terestrial life, and being happy with that. I even contemplated suicide about 400 times, deeply, in that 2 months. The pain was so great, the struggle so maligning, that all I could do was cry in my head, father, why hast thou forsaken me?! But I went to my Bishop, to my parents, to the scriptures, I started praying as often as possible, got as involved with church as possible. And I set my sights on that mission. It was all worth it when I got to enter the temple and perform those sacred ordinances Grace. At the MTC I learned things of spiritual nature so quickly, I felt the spirit so much stronger. I also starting reading a book called BELIEVING CHRIST By Stephen Anderson. His wife, amazingly hit the same wall you and I did. I think that book could help you Grace. It's helping me so much, if you believed in the Church and left because you felt the way you did...think about who was whispering in your ear. When we get depressed Satan works on us, he works on us hard. I bet you were one heck of gal, RS President material. That's probably why Satan worked so hard on you. The things you saw, were, in a sense worldly. If you had no confirmation of the Spirit that the Lord wanted you elsewhere in another church, then that is not of Christ. Im really sorry Grace, sorry you haven't had the chance to get that lift you needed, you can still come back though. We are not a cult, we are not Satanic congregation, we are the one TRUE CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST. You felt like you weren't pleasing your Heavenly Father Grace, if you were "losing yourself in the work"....then you were pleasing him. I don't yet know what strength Satan so desperately wants to keep from the Lord's chosen seed that you possess-partly that I don't know you-but I'm gonna find it. And someday, I pray you have a change of heart. Hope everyone is having a good Sabbath.

 

[rnmomof7]

And, being the good person you are, you will likely end up in paradise and the terestial kingdom, where you will be with Jesus forever. Thus, the views you have are likely going to take you where you want to be. And you will be happy there. Congrats.

Why do you say that when you know it is not true doctrine in the Mormon church ?

If one has heard and refused the message of Joseph Smith will spend eternity in the Telestial Kingdom

The Telestial Kingdom in Latter-day Saint understanding is the lowest of the three degrees of glory to be inhabited by God's children in the afterlife following the resurrection. The Doctrine and Covenants is the only known scriptural source for the word "telestial" (see D&C 76:88, 98, 109; 88:21). Paul spoke of the differing glories, comparing them to the differences in light we see from the sun, moon, and stars (1 Cor. 15:40-42), mentioning the celestial and terrestrial by name. Although the term "telestial" does not occur in biblical accounts, latter-day revelation cites telestial as the kingdom of glory typified by the lesser light we perceive from the stars (D&C 76:98). The Celestial Kingdom and Terrestrial Kingdom are typified by the light we perceive from the sun and moon, respectively.




Within the telestial glory there will be varying degrees of glory even as the stars vary in brightness as we see them. It embraces those who on earth willfully reject the gospel of Jesus Christ, and commit serious sins such as murder, adultery, lying, and loving to make a lie (but yet do not commit the unpardonable sin), and who do not repent in mortality. They will be cleansed in the postmortal spirit world or spirit prison before the resurrection (D&C 76:81-85, 98-106; Rev. 22:15). Telestial inhabitants as innumerable as the stars will come forth in the last resurrection and then be "servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come" (D&C 76:112). Although the least of the degrees of glory, yet the Telestial Kingdom "surpasses all understanding" (D&C 76:89).

God dwells ONLY in the Celestial kingdom, open only to those that Joseph Smith allows in

I am planning what I will say to Hitler, Stalin and all the others that will be where the LDS plan to send me

 

[rnmomof7]

FB: And I am thankful for that Sky, but some here have condemned me to Hell for my beliefs. When in my heart I want the same thing you do. Serve God, and glorifying my Father in Heaven through obedience and sharing my faith with others.

No we believe that the Jesus of the Bible will do that . We do not believe we are God/goddesses so that power is above our pay grade:>+

 

[rnmomof7]

Yes.... That is the Official Main Site of the Church.

Also, some here have posted "anti" websites, but if you want to learn the REAL TRUTHS about the Church and see how the anti's pervert our faith and history, then you need to read the materials starting at these places.

http://www.fairlds.org

http://farms.byu.edu

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml

Also, here's a fellow that's a former Catholic.

http://www.bibleman.net

I also was born and baptised Catholic, being from multi-generations of Catholics, but I was raised in many religions and then at the age of 10 chose the LDS Church over any other because it was the only one that made any sense, and then when I was 21 after much more learning and experience of various things and EVEN falling away from the Church essentially being an anti, I then learned that it was actually true once I put away my judgement and kept learning.

Are you fishing for another "Catholic" ?