Met with the Missionaries?

[rnmomof7]

What is all this talk of a different "Jesus?" Are we inferring that because the Mormons believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are separate that they have a different Jesus?

Do you believe in the Trinity ?

Do you believe that Jesus is GOD incarnate?

Do you believe that Jesus has a brother lucifer?

Do you believe that jesus was born a spirit child to the "heavenly father and his goddess?

Do you believe the father of jesus was once a man like you?


Do you believe that the father of Jesus is just one of many gods ?



Is this YOUR Jesus ?


Their prophet says they have a different jesus .

Is he confused?

 

[Duende]

Do you believe in the Trinity ?

Do you believe that Jesus is GOD incarnate?

Do you believe that Jesus has a brother lucifer?

Do you believe that jesus was born a spirit child to the "heavenly father and his goddess?

Do you believe the father of jesus was once a man like you?


Do you believe that the father of Jesus is just one of many gods ?



Is this YOUR Jesus ?


Their prophet says they have a different jesus .

Is he confused?

I was asking but a simple question, my friend. I did not understand the inference being made. I sought an explanation, not an inquisicion.

 

[rnmomof7]

You do not do justice to the words of the Prophet. He said that LDS have a different understanding of Jesus than the historical understanding.

We believe in the same Jesus who died on Calvary’s Cross and who suffered in the Garden.

I do not think that is a fair way to characterize the words of the prophet. He was saying that Jesus Christ stood next to Heavenly Father in the sacred grove. This is not something the Augustinian Trinity could do. (But protestant Plantinga's social Trinity could).



Hinckley's words:

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. [/before the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p.7 )

A DIFFERENT CHRIST as admitted by your prophet

A different god , a different christ,
a different holy ghost,
a different salvation


in other words not christian ..polytheistic







Charity, TOm[/QUOTE]

 

[twhite982]

A DIFFERENT CHRIST as admitted by your prophet

A different god , a different christ,
a different holy ghost,
a different salvation


in other words not christian ..polytheistic







Charity, TOm

[/QUOTE]Same question applies:

As in a different understanding or a completely different being?

Tom

 

[rnmomof7]

I was asking but a simple question, my friend. I did not understand the inference being made. I sought an explanation, not an inquisicion.

You asked

What is all this talk of a different "Jesus?" Are we inferring that because the Mormons believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are separate that they have a different Jesus?

My response was a list of rhetorical questions , for you to understand why Christians see the Jesus of the Mormons as a different Jesus .It is my expectation that you would answer no to any of those question or , you are unlike any Catholic I have ever met.:>)

 

[rnmomof7]

Same question applies:[/QUOTE]

As your prophet said..it is a DIFFERENT jesus ...his honesty is refreshing

 

[twhite982]

Same question applies


As your prophet said..it is a DIFFERENT jesus ...his honesty is refreshing

Your vague answers are avoiding my question.

One more time:

"As in a different understanding or a completely different being?"


Tom

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

they are good at what they do because they do actual training for it, just a like any other sales person does. The go a center called "The missionary training center" before they are shipped out to the areas where they are to be missionaries and teach the lds "gospel" to people. They follow a well outlined course material booklet which they call "the discussions". These "discussions" do not teach the deep docterines of the LDS church but only teach people enough to make folks think that the LDS church is a christian church. It is only after being in the LDS church for awhile that converts start to learn the "meat" of the LDS gospel.

Grace

 

[twhite982]

they are good at what they do because they do actual training for it, just a like any other sales person does. The go a center called "The missionary training center" before they are shipped out to the areas where they are to be missionaries and teach the lds "gospel" to people. They follow a well outlined course material booklet which they call "the discussions". These "discussions" do not teach the deep docterines of the LDS church but only teach people enough to make folks think that the LDS church is a christian church. It is only after being in the LDS church for awhile that converts start to learn the "meat" of the LDS gospel.

Grace

That was funny.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

Duende, also it is important to mention that when these missionaries are at the Missionary Training Center, they even practice "baring their testimonies" of the church. They have rooms that are set up like a living room, and they have doors on them. They do 15 minute rotating sessions where they practice knocking on the door of the room (which is meant to represent a prospective house when going door to door) then they go in and present a discussion lesson to someone who has volenteered to play the part of "a prospective investigator", all of these sessions are video taped and after they are all done with the rotation of door to door, the leaders (trainers) go over the videos and tell the missionaries what they did wrong, what they "should" have said and better ways to "bare their testimony" of the "true" church. It is a major sales training center. When I was blinded by satan to the LDS beliefs (I am no longer lds) I volenteered quite often to play the "possible investigator" at the MTC in Provo Utah. So, anyway....the reason these young men and women are effictive at times and seem so sincere in what they believe is because they are trained to be so. They are denied any influence from the outside world such as TV, computer, phone calls (except on Christmas and MOthers day) and reading of any non lds approved materials. They eat, breathe and sleep the lds teachings at the MTC and on the rest of their missions.

Grace

 

[happyinhisgrace]

That was funny.

TW, I don't think it is funny at all. I think it is sad and deceptive on the part of the LDS church.

Grace

 

[twhite982]

TW, I don't think it is funny at all. I think it is sad and deceptive on the part of the LDS church.

Grace

What is deceptive is your portrayal of the LDS church, where you want to claim the church is devoid of any light.

Tom

 

[happyinhisgrace]

What is deceptive is your portrayal of the LDS church, where you want to claim the church is devoid of any light.

Tom

It is devoid of any light from God. It does however have lots of "light" from Satan. It all started with satan who appeared as "an angel of light" to JS.

My protrail is not deceptive. Are you claiming that I have lied about what goes on in the temple or the Missionary Training Center? I assure you that I have not. I have stated what goes on in truth and if you choose to consider it to be deceptive then that is something that you as an LDs member who embraces such things need to come to terms with, not me. I have already come to terms with it and could no longer partake of the lies and evil that is in the LDS church, so I left it for Jesus. I honestly pray that one day you will do the same and embrace the simple, loving truth that is in Jesus and turn from the deception of the LDS church. The choice is yours to make, not mine but I can and do pray for you.

Grace

 

[Rescued One]

Quote:

Originally Posted by: happyinhisgrace

they are good at what they do because they do actual training for it, just a like any other sales person does. The go a center called "The missionary training center" before they are shipped out to the areas where they are to be missionaries and teach the lds "gospel" to people. They follow a well outlined course material booklet which they call "the discussions". These "discussions" do not teach the deep docterines of the LDS church but only teach people enough to make folks think that the LDS church is a christian church. It is only after being in the LDS church for awhile that converts start to learn the "meat" of the LDS gospel.

Grace

That was funny.

That sounds very accurate and serious to me. Why are you laughing?

 

[twhite982]

It is devoid of any light from God. It does however have lots of "light" from Satan. It all started with satan who appeared as "an angel of light" to JS.

My protrail is not deceptive. Are you claiming that I have lied about what goes on in the temple or the Missionary Training Center? I assure you that I have not. I have stated what goes on in truth and if you choose to consider it to be deceptive then that is something that you as an LDs member who embraces such things need to come to terms with, not me. I have already come to terms with it and could no longer partake of the lies and evil that is in the LDS church, so I left it for Jesus. I honestly pray that one day you will do the same and embrace the simple, loving truth that is in Jesus and turn from the deception of the LDS church. The choice is yours to make, not mine but I can and do pray for you.

Grace

Since I've never been on a mission before, I really can't comment on that, however your description of the "training" methods is a new one to me.

As far as the temple goes heres a comment you made on another thread.

By the way, if satan has anyone by the leash, it is the true believing Mormons who attend the lds temple and partake in rituals straight from Satan himself. There is nothing of God in the lds temple but plenty of satanic ritualistic goings on.

This is the reason I say you've mis-understood and still do.

Tom

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Since I've never been on a mission before, I really can't comment on that, however your description of the "training" methods is a new one to me.

As far as the temple goes heres a comment you made on another thread.


This is the reason I say you've mis-understood and still do.

Tom

And just like I said on the other thread, if you want me to point out specifically each thing in the lds temple ceremonies that is not of God but is of Satan, I will be happy to do so.

Grace

 

[twhite982]

And just like I said on the other thread, if you want me to point out specifically each thing in the lds temple ceremonies that is not of God but is of Satan, I will be happy to do so.

Grace

The only person you'd prove this to are those who already share your view. I have been to the temple several times and disagree God cannot be found there.

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

The only person you'd prove this to are those who already share your view. I have been to the temple several times and disagree God cannot be found there.

Tom

Tom, if your god is there, that would explain why you're still LDS.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

The only person you'd prove this to are those who already share your view. I have been to the temple several times and disagree God cannot be found there.

Tom

So, that is a "NO" then? You don't want me to point out how the LDS temple ceremony is not of God? You claim that I am deceptive in saying it is not of God yet you don't want me to show why the points of the ceremony are of Satan. So, you can call me deceptive when I am telling the truth as long as I am not able to point the things out. Nice one TW, you just going on calling me a liar (deceptive) yet refuse to be shown why these cerimonies are not of God and why I claim as much.

2 Corinthians 4
3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.

Grace

 

[twhite982]

So, that is a "NO" then? You don't want me to point out how the LDS temple ceremony is not of God? You claim that I am deceptive in saying it is not of God yet you don't want me to show why the points of the ceremony are of Satan. So, you can call me deceptive when I am telling the truth as long as I am not able to point the things out. Nice one TW, you just going on calling me a liar (deceptive) yet refuse to be shown why these cerimonies are not of God and why I claim as much.

2 Corinthians 4
3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.

Grace

You know why I don't want to go into details and it has nothing to do with me being "deceptive" as you put it.

I have stood my ground on many issues you've raised and have been more than happy to discuss things with you, so don't play that card, since you know why I won't have this discussion.

Tom