Melchizedek

[Razare]

Mechizedek was made like unto the Son of God, (Hebrews 7:3) which would tell me that he was not Jesus (i.e. the Son of God.)

Also it is clear to me that he did not die, as his priesthood of which Jesus partook of is after the power of an endless life. (Hebrews 7:15-17) Also it is clear from scripture that Melchizedek had neither beginning of days nor end of life (Hebrews 7:3). Now if someone wants to ignore this after it has already been mentioned, they are not accepting the autority of scripture, and while it is concerning a peripheral issue, to not accept the auhority of scripture concerning anything puts you on dangerous ground.

Well, it's an interesting interpretation to just take it face value like that.

In which case we have another God roaming about, whom God did not make.

"made like unto" also means facsimile in the Greek.

fac·sim·i·le
fakˈsiməlē/Submit
noun
noun: facsimile; plural noun: facsimiles
1. an exact copy, especially of written or printed material.

There is an exact copy of Jesus doing things on Earth, before Jesus was born. A sinless man like none other. A Son of God, even. The eternal lamb of God, slain before the foundations of the world even.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Maybe one could work with the two women (of Abraham) by whom he used similitudes, since the two women are two covenants, which Paul states also "which things are an allegory" and return to it and reason out their physical deaths (after the flesh) and see if that affects the spiritual things they truly refer to in any way.

 

[Vicomte13]

There would be no point to Hebrews 7 if Melchizedek was imaginary. Symbols and hyperbole, the words used to escape from providing understanding.

Melchizedek was not imaginary. He wasn't divine either.

Paul is not making the supernatural point that Melchizedek is God incarnate. He is saying something different. He is noting that Abraham paid him homage, as priest of El Elyon, and that it was this role as high priest that made Melchizedek the exalted personage. The reader is not prepared for this Melchizedek - he appears without a discussion of his origins, family, anything about it. He is important - central enough for Abraham to give him a tenth of everything - simply because of being a priest of El Elyon. He comes into the story without family, without genealogy (recall that elsewhere Paul admonishes people to not get caught up in genealogies). His importance is that he serves God.

This is very much like Jesus: he walks out of nowhere. Paul provides no genealogy of Jesus (and the two genealogies we have conflict, and were probably known to conflict back then, which is probably why Paul said to not pay attention to genealogical speculations). Melchizedek's priesthood was from God - not from a specific named family with a long genealogy, which was the case of all Jewish priests (indeed, because of their genealogies they were entitled to tax payments). Jesus came from God directly. A high priest, not of the order of Zadok, or of Levi, or of Aaron, not genealogies, but named priest by God. Just as Jesus came from God, and Paul himself was named an apostle by God.

The key thought is that these highest figures were priests and servants of God Most High directly, not derivative from their genealogy or society.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

But the problem with Melchezidek is that he appears in Hebrews 7...

Paul states, no man can understand the truth of Melchezidek unless they have passed into mature Christianity. Understanding who Melchezidek is, is impossible if you are not a mature Christian.

Hebrews 6 - Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.

God doesn't permit everyone to understand the following chapters. You have to have some knowledge of the 6 other things, and have that knowledge be correct.

Paul didn't write Hebrews.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Mechizedek was made like unto the Son of God, (Hebrews 7:3) which would tell me that he was not Jesus (i.e. the Son of God.)

Also it is clear to me that he did not die, as his priesthood of which Jesus partook of is after the power of an endless life. (Hebrews 7:15-17) Also it is clear from scripture that Melchizedek had neither beginning of days nor end of life (Hebrews 7:3). Now if someone wants to ignore this after it has already been mentioned, they are not accepting the autority of scripture, and while it is concerning a peripheral issue, to not accept the auhority of scripture concerning anything puts you on dangerous ground.

Hebrews 7:3

'Without father or mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.'

Hmmmm

Yes, very mysterious indeed.
Below is a link to a very extensive 7 part series commentary on him if any are interested:

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP17.htm#24

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."
This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION, that is, it is about the way Jesus Christ, and thus, His body, the Royal Priesthood, is related to a strange man named Melchizedek. And the connection between Jesus Christ and Melchizedek is worth exploring.
Let's take a look at the Melchizedek Connection

In Genesis, chapter fourteen, we have one of the most intriguing stories in the Bible, that of Abram's encounter with Melchizedek, king of Salem, and "the priest of the Most High God."
In the Genesis story Melchizedek is a strange and mysterious figure. He flashes across the scene like a meteor. There is no heralding of his appearance, nor any mention of its results. He arrives out of the blue; there is no account of his family; there is nothing about his birth, his descent, his life, his work, or his death. He simply arrives. We learn only that he was king of Salem and priest of the Most High God.

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God...first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; ABIDETH A PRIEST CONTINUALLY.. and here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that H-E L-I-V-E-T-H" (Heb. 7:1-3,8).

There are eight distinct features about Melchizedek recorded here. (1) King of righteousness (2) king of peace (3) without father or mother (4) without descent (5) having neither beginning of days nor end of life (6) made like unto the Son of God (7) abideth a priest continually (8) he liveth.
We shall consider all of these wonderful statements in due time, but I would now draw your attention to the terms "without father, without mother, without descent." The biblical account of Melchizedek appears to leave him as a very mysterious person, yet there are keys in the Scriptures that shed precious light upon him. One of these keys is to be found in the phrase - WITHOUT DESCENT..........



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe one could work with the two women (of Abraham) by whom he used similitudes, since the two women are two covenants, which Paul states also "which things are an allegory" and return to it and reason out their physical deaths (after the flesh) and see if that affects the spiritual things they truly refer to in any way.

Very interesting post sis.
Gal 4:
24 which things are an allegory
For these are the two covenants:
the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all

There are also 2 women shown in Revelation.

Rev 12:1
Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars.

Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the Spirit to a wilderness, and there I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns

Ezekiel 8 shows a rather similar bizarre event:
Ezekiel 8:3
He put out the form of a hand and took me by a lock of my head, and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem,
to the entrance of the gateway of the inner court that faces north, where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provokes to jealousy.]


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[AnticipateHisComing]

Melchizedek was not imaginary. He wasn't divine either.

So Melchizedek was just an ordinary man? Not. Even if you throw out verse 3 because you don't agree with what it says, you have to understand that Melchizedek was great, above all the priests from Aaron until Jesus, not including. Look at how many times scripture praises Abraham as father of God's people. Look how much the Jews honored him in their conversations with Jesus. What does Hebrews say; Melchizedek was greater than Abraham and all of the priests of Levi were subordinate to him.

Paul is not making the supernatural point that Melchizedek is God incarnate. He is saying something different. He is noting that Abraham paid him homage, as priest of El Elyon, and that it was this role as high priest that made Melchizedek the exalted personage. The reader is not prepared for this Melchizedek - he appears without a discussion of his origins, family, anything about it. He is important - central enough for Abraham to give him a tenth of everything - simply because of being a priest of El Elyon. He comes into the story without family, without genealogy (recall that elsewhere Paul admonishes people to not get caught up in genealogies). His importance is that he serves God.

Many have served God, even as priests. God/Jesus does not need an endorsement of being compared to a man so that we may know that he is special, above all other of the human priests from Levi. Nonsense.

This is very much like Jesus: he walks out of nowhere. Paul provides no genealogy of Jesus (and the two genealogies we have conflict, and were probably known to conflict back then, which is probably why Paul said to not pay attention to genealogical speculations).

One genealogy is of Joseph, the other of Mary. Oh how you change scripture. Scripture is quite clear on the genealogy of Jesus. Why is this important; to fulfill prophecy that the Messiah would come from David. For you to say that the writer of Hebrews dismisses the importance of Jesus' human genealogy is pure fabrication and incongruent with what other scripture teaches.

The key thought is that these highest figures were priests and servants of God Most High directly, not derivative from their genealogy or society.

Hyperbole is when you compare something less to something much greater, so much greater that it is obviously not true. It is done to reinforce the lesser as being greater, but not quite as great as the exaggeration in the comparison.

It is not hyperbole to compare Jesus/God to a man in any sense of the understanding. That is asinine.

 

[Colter]

So do you think Melchizedek is still alive?

Yes! Macaventia Melchizedek was an incarnate celestial being who founded a monotheistic missionary colony in Salem. As the visible representative of God Melchizedek made the agreement with Abram. Centuries later, when the Hebrew writers were recounting this momentous transaction, they no longer believed Melchizedek was an incarnate being representing God. So they had God coming down and making the covenant.

Melchizedek returned to heaven.

 

[Pamelav]

Yes! Macaventia Melchizedek was an incarnate celestial being who founded a monotheistic missionary colony in Salem. As the visible representative of God Melchizedek made the agreement with Abram. Centuries later, when the Hebrew writers were recounting this momentous transaction, they no longer believed Melchizedek was an incarnate being representing God. So they had God coming down and making the covenant.

Melchizedek returned to heaven.

 

[Pamelav]

Trying to decide of that was a joke.

 

[Colter]

Trying to decide of that was a joke.

 

[Galilee63]

Psalm 110:4 ... "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

"In The Order of Melchizedek".

Blessed Holy Saint Melchizedek is within Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit.

Blessed is Holy Saint Melchizedek in Heaven with all of God's Blessed Holy Saints and Martyrs.

Jesus Christ our Merciful Saviour with The Holy Spirit is within all of His Priests, all of the Orders of God's, all of His Saints, all of His Martyrs, all of His Angels and Archangels and Holy Souls in Heaven including Holy Melchizedek.

Genesis 14:18

18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and
wine: he was the priest of God Most High.

Psalm 110:4

4 The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."

Hebrews 5:6

6 As He also says in another place:

"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek:,

Hebrews 6:20

20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus,
having become High Priest forever to the order of
Melchizedek."

Hebrews 7:1,9-11,15,17,21

1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most
High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter
of the kings and blessed him,

9 Even, Levi who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham,
so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek
met him.
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood
(for under it the people receive the law),what further need
was there that another priest should rise according to the
order of Melchizedek, and not according to the order of Aaron?

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of
Melchizedek, there arises another priest

17 For He testifies:

"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."

21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an
oath by Him who said to Him:

"The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
'You are a priest forever
According to the order of
Melchizedek'"),

A note on Melchizedek on the internet.

Melchizedek is not in the order of Levi, in fact,Levi pays tithes to Melchizedek by the act of Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek. (This is found in Hebrews 7:9) Melchizedek is a priest who proceeds the entire Levi line. * Melchizedek, who is the King of Salem, (meaning the king of peace), of whom Abraham pays tithes to, has no known parents to the people of that time.

Kindest wishes in our Lord Jesus and our Blessed Virgin

 

[AGTG]

Yes, because He "was" a pre-incarnate Christ. There are a number of instances where Christ walked the earth before He was officially begotten. Most notably as "the" Angel of the LORD (as opposed to "an" angel of the LORD which would have been any old angel sent by God).

 

[Colter]

Melchizedek, an incarnate Son of God himself, attempted to introduce "bread and wine" as a substitute for blood sacrifices, but it was to advanced in that age. Jesus tried the same thing.

 

[Jipsah]

If I'm wrong then we have to abandon the trinity

Nah. If you're wrong, you're just wrong. The universe spins on unconcerned.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Paul didn't write Hebrews.

Agreed, however the points made are still valid.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Razare]

Nah. If you're wrong, you're just wrong. The universe spins on unconcerned.

I use something called logic. 1 + 1 = 2. It's rare among Christians. I know.

Christians like to believe two opposing concepts, and stick their head in the sand pretending the two opposing viewpoints are not in disagreement.

So if you reject logic, then yes, I can be wrong and just wrong. Also, the meaning of wrong itself has no meaning at that same time.

 

[Vicomte13]

So Melchizedek was just an ordinary man? Not. Even if you throw out verse 3 because you don't agree with what it says, you have to understand that Melchizedek was great, above all the priests from Aaron until Jesus, not including. Look at how many times scripture praises Abraham as father of God's people. Look how much the Jews honored him in their conversations with Jesus. What does Hebrews say; Melchizedek was greater than Abraham and all of the priests of Levi were subordinate to him.

Many have served God, even as priests. God/Jesus does not need an endorsement of being compared to a man so that we may know that he is special, above all other of the human priests from Levi. Nonsense.


One genealogy is of Joseph, the other of Mary. Oh how you change scripture. Scripture is quite clear on the genealogy of Jesus. Why is this important; to fulfill prophecy that the Messiah would come from David. For you to say that the writer of Hebrews dismisses the importance of Jesus' human genealogy is pure fabrication and incongruent with what other scripture teaches.


Hyperbole is when you compare something less to something much greater, so much greater that it is obviously not true. It is done to reinforce the lesser as being greater, but not quite as great as the exaggeration in the comparison.

It is not hyperbole to compare Jesus/God to a man in any sense of the understanding. That is asinine.

Pleasant, as always.

 

[W2L]

I would now draw your attention to the terms "without father, without mother, without descent."



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It certainly got my attention. He had no mother.

 

[Vicomte13]

Deleted - forget it.