Maybe this will clarify: can I encourage my offspring's instinct for Evolution?

[Shemjaza]

The creation was made in a way so that life could adjust in order for it to continue even in the face of environmental changes. That is a far cry from pond scum having the ability within itself, over time, to turn into a rocket scientist.

It is a far cry, it's a vastly different scale, but the isn't any barrier to the tiny changes most Creationists accept building up over incredible geological time.

 

[Gottservant]

Your post displays a lack of understanding that evolution takes places in a population not in individuals which matches your lack of understanding that, with rare exceptions, evolution takes place over the course of many generations.

So the only way to teach Evolution to the young, is to give it to them in lots of little successive pieces?

I think I saw Kylie doing that, for Mark Quayle - only Kylie's approach was to build up to a gotcha moment, Mark Quayle could not see out of.

Am I supposed to play "gotcha" until my kids give in?

 

[Gottservant]

Maybe, on the balance of probabilities, I should tell my children "do not be too ambitious, for strength to survive"?

A sort of cup half empty mentality, that they not bite of more than they can chew?

 

[Gottservant]

Is instinct trainable though?

I would like to think that my offspring's instinct would be similar to my own, even on the basis of Evolution.

I'm not going to say "kid, you believe in Evolution: I've got nothing for you"!

My offspring is going to want its progeny to have a similar instinct for Evolution, as well.

 

[Believer000]

Hi there,

So this is simple one way but complicated another: my offspring's instinct for Evolution, ultimately consists of the conversion of my experience of it (for them). There are a number of stages at which I can guide my offspring, as regards what they believe about Evolution.

First of all, I know that as descendants of Adam, they will want to divide good Evolution from bad Evolution. I can encourage them to develop more or less contrast as regards this.

Second of all, I know that they will place weight on Evolution, they can experience, as distinct from Evolution that they cannot experience. This will vary depending on what they believe the source of their Evolution is from: is it from monkeys? Or is it from something that depends on monkeys being monkeys (not a transition from something else to monkeys)?

Third of all, it will depend on who they choose to be partners with: will they aim for a greater genetic burden or greater nuance in the Evolution they find themselves already with? There is a degree of similarity between those that believe in Evolution and those that don't too - this is where we start to get into the imagination, of what is believed successful Evolution or merely treading water - I leave that for you to reason out.

Fourth, it will depend on the example I set, of Evolution, in answer in part to all these previous stages, but also reaching beyond them, to mark out my own legacy of Evolution - do I encourage them to experiment, or do I insist on their making a greater difference with what they have got already: in principle, making a greater difference with what they have would be the preferred option, since that will (given the difficulty of Evolution) mean that they advance Evolution in greater numbers (of what is already considered Evolution and does not need to prove it).

My thinking on all this, is that there is no way you can say that "all of this is irrelevant", when after all what we should be asking is "what - of this - is appropriate?". The better answer I have to all these stages, the better the outcome will be for the offspring - I do not need to subject the offspring to a more rudimentary Evolution, in order to get the best Evolution "out" of them.

The power of this, comes down to the idea: if the idea of Evolution, is rooted in what the species can do, there will be progress; if the idea of Evolution, is not rooted in anything specific, there will be curiosity about what could have been progress, if it was a bit more rooted in something. That is the fate we suffer and die for: do our words make us great or do they tear us down - as Jesus said, "every idle word, will require an account" (from memory, the gospels).

So you tell me, if I take Evolution seriously this way will the instinct of my offspring, be gradually greater (than if I paid no attention to any of these things)?

Thoughts?

I tried to read your post but all I see is nonsense, and my IQ is lessening by the second.

 

[Shemjaza]

So the only way to teach Evolution to the young, is to give it to them in lots of little successive pieces?

I think I saw Kylie doing that, for Mark Quayle - only Kylie's approach was to build up to a gotcha moment, Mark Quayle could not see out of.

Am I supposed to play "gotcha" until my kids give in?

It isn't building to a gotcha, it's an attempt to point out that evolution is built from comprehensible logical components.

You should attempt to follow Kylie's chain of reasoning, it might help you see where you've made mistakes in comprehending how evolution is proposed to work.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I would like to think that my offspring's instinct would be similar to my own, even on the basis of Evolution.

I'm not going to say "kid, you believe in Evolution: I've got nothing for you"!

My offspring is going to want its progeny to have a similar instinct for Evolution, as well.

That's not instinct.

 

[Frank Robert]

So the only way to teach Evolution to the young, is to give it to them in lots of little successive pieces?

Sounds like you never heard about an educational curriculum which is "a standards-based sequence of planned experiences where students practice and achieve proficiency in content and applied learning skills."

I think I saw Kylie doing that, for Mark Quayle - only Kylie's approach was to build up to a gotcha moment, Mark Quayle could not see out of.

Is Kylie an educator?

Am I supposed to play "gotcha" until my kids give in?

No one is preventing you from providing your kids with religion of your choice or sending your kids to religious schools when the standard public school science courses on evolution are not taught.

 

[Larniavc]

Am I supposed to play "gotcha" until my kids give in?

Please don’t try to teach your kids anything about evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi there,

Can I encourage my offspring's instinct for Evolution?

If your offspring has an instinct for evolution, your offspring's outlook on the physical world has been contaminated by science.

Have him read the book of Colossians, and pray for him.

 

[Freodin]

So the only way to teach Evolution to the young, is to give it to them in lots of little successive pieces?

I think I saw Kylie doing that, for Mark Quayle - only Kylie's approach was to build up to a gotcha moment, Mark Quayle could not see out of.

Am I supposed to play "gotcha" until my kids give in?

You still get confused about the difference between something and the description of something.

Evolution is something that is happening. Under certain conditions, evolution happens all the time, without conscious thought, without direction or intention.

A description of how it works: that's something that humans came up with, humans observed, humans tested, humans studied... and humans taught.

These things are not the same, and they don't work in the same way.

 

[Gottservant]

You still get confused about the difference between something and the description of something.

Evolution is something that is happening. Under certain conditions, evolution happens all the time, without conscious thought, without direction or intention.

A description of how it works: that's something that humans came up with, humans observed, humans tested, humans studied... and humans taught.

These things are not the same, and they don't work in the same way.

You are just on the cusp, of making it clear how you distinguish "Evolution" and what for.

 

[Shemjaza]

You are just on the cusp, of making it clear how you distinguish "Evolution" and what for.

Evolution is a physical process by which species change over generations.

The theory of evolution is a scientific explanation for the natural process of evolution.

Attempting to bring choice, theology, language in to it is simply a mistake and misinformation.

 

[Frank Robert]

Evolution is a physical process by which species change over generations.

The theory of evolution is a scientific explanation for the natural process of evolution.

Attempting to bring choice, theology, language in to it is simply a mistake and misinformation.

You are wasting your time. He does not understand the difference between evolution and religion, that one is based on belief and the other on testable hypothesis and evidence. But the sad part is that he does not understand that his belief forces him to reject science.

 

[Shemjaza]

You are wasting your time. He does not understand the difference between evolution and religion, that one is based on belief and the other on testable hypothesis and evidence. But the sad part is that he does not understand that his belief forces him to reject science.

I think you are probably right... but I find it difficult when blatant falsehoods with straightforward answers are put forward.

I feel that Gottservant is incapable of reading any text without overwriting it with their own free associated interpretations.

But I don't think they are consciously lying, so I attempt to correct the mistakes.

 

[Freodin]

Still I cannot but wonder... if he wanted to teach his children geometry... would he wonder if he should do that in a linear or angular way?

 

[Frank Robert]

But I don't think they are consciously lying, so I attempt to correct the mistakes.

It's a conscious disregard of science. He is bright enough to understand the nature of science, scientific method and scientific evidence from the numerous attempts made by others including other Christians. We know that for some Christians belief trumps science but they should at least be honest about it instead of making up things.

 

[Gottservant]

Still I cannot but wonder... if he wanted to teach his children geometry... would he wonder if he should do that in a linear or angular way?

I resonate with everything about this, but why do you regard it as strange?

Jesus said "First clean the inside of the cup, that the outside may be clean also" - don't His Words suggest that linear geometry is first?

 

[Gottservant]

I have thought a little more about this: if there was something I could do to reinforce the strength of my "Evolution" (my attitude to it, perhaps with praises to God), then I could show my young, how to reinforce their faith?

How do you reinforce Evolution?

In faith, we have the scriptures of Christ (designed to strengthen our relationship with God)?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have thought a little more about this: if there was something I could do to reinforce the strength of my "Evolution" (my attitude to it, perhaps with praises to God), then I could show my young, how to reinforce their faith?

How do you reinforce Evolution?

In faith, we have the scriptures of Christ (designed to strengthen our relationship with God)?

Evolution is not something you reinforce. It is not a faith or belief system, nor a religion or a moral philosophy.

It is simply the name given to a facet of biological science.

Accept this for the simple fact that it is, and you will find all of your problems regarding evolution will disappear.