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The most important body is the body of believers, and our true brethren are the ones who are in Christ. That's who I would suggest putting importance in, regardless if some deny the theological/mystical nature of Orders. But before I step on any moderator toes, I will probably not go into much more as I would cross the line in this conversation. I can always open up a thread about theology, Christianity, and Masonry in another appropriate thread.

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The most important body is the body of believers, and our true brethren are the ones who are in Christ. That's who I would suggest putting importance in, regardless if some deny the theological/mystical nature of Orders. But before I step on any moderator toes, I will probably not go into much more as I would cross the line in this conversation. I can always open up a thread about theology, Christianity, and Masonry in another appropriate thread.

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I honestly don't care what people think when it comes to this subject anymore because I've learned that most of the nonsense is based on the antimasonry movement of the 1800's and not based in fact. It's like saying your children can't join the a karate class or do yoga because it's not Christian.

Let me tell you, most of what passes for "ministries" in Baptist churches simply are not. That includes AWANA, Vacation Bible School, playing Bible hangman in "Jr. Church" when those kids should be worshiping God in the congregation with their parents, etc. The list goes on.
 
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Sorry, my lost post may seem rude and that was not my intention. I was posting with a time limit! lol

All I meant is that most people have a prejudice against the Lodge without having any real knowledge of it.

Yours in the Lord,

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I'm not telling you to not do anything you want to do because it's not Christian, I'm merely suggesting that one cannot be a Mason and a Christian legitimately at the same time.
Well, you see, this is the point of all such discussions around here. My comment was only to the effect that CF has a place for it to take place. In order to get us underway, I will myself take your inquiry to the Conspiracy Theories forum so we can talk about it as much as needed.
 
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The more I learn about the Freemasons the more I realize people from the outside looking in just can't seem to grasp the fraternity. Most of what you read about Masons is 'fake news.' During my research last week I found an order from the Lodge written in 1921 for its members to attend church, any church, to worship Jesus. Doesn't sound cultist to me...sounds like a bunch of dudes that are serious about keeping each other accountable.
 
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This isn't a group that a Christian should be associated with. Simply, compare their beliefs to what the Bible says, and you'll see why. The following is a comparison of what the Bible says with the "official" position of Freemasonry:

Salvation from Sin:

The Bible’s View: Jesus became the sinner’s sacrifice before God when He shed His blood and died as the propitiation (payment) for the sins of all those who would ever believe (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:8, John 3:16).

Mason’s View: The very process of joining the Lodge requires Christians to ignore the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. According to Freemasonry, a person will be saved and go to heaven as a result of his good works and personal self-improvement.

The View of the Bible:

The Bible’s View: The supernatural and plenary inspiration of the Scriptures—that they are inerrant and that their teachings and authority are absolute, supreme, and final. The Bible is the Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Thessalonians 2:13).

Mason’s View: The Bible is only one of several “Volume(s) of Sacred Law,” all of which are deemed to be equally important in Freemasonry. The Bible is an important book, only as far as those members who claim to be Christians are concerned, just as the Koran is important to Muslims. The Bible is not considered to be the exclusive Word of God, nor is it considered to be God’s sole revelation of himself to humankind; but only one of many religious sourcebooks. It is a good guide for morality. The Bible is used primarily as a symbol of God’s will, which can also be captured in other sacred texts, like the Koran or Rig Vedas.

The Doctrine of God:

The Bible’s View: There is one God. The various names of God refer to the God of Israel and reveal certain attributes of God. To worship other gods or to call upon other deities is idolatry (Exodus 20:3). Paul spoke of idolatry as a heinous sin (1 Corinthians 10:14) and John said that idolaters will perish in hell (Revelation 21:8).

Mason’s View: All members must believe in a deity. Different religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.) acknowledge the same God, only call Him different names. Freemasonry invites people of all faiths, even if they use different names for the ‘Nameless One of a hundred names,’ they are yet praying to the one God and Father of all.

The Doctrine of Jesus and the Trinity:

The Bible’s View: Jesus was God in human form (Matthew 1:18-24, John 1:1). Jesus is the second person of the trinity (Matthew 28:19, Mark 1:9-11). While on earth, He was fully human (Mark 4:38, Matthew 4:2) and fully divine (John 20:28, John 1:1-2, Acts 4:10-12). Christians should pray in Jesus’ name and proclaim Him before others, regardless of offense to non-Christians (John 14:13-14, 1 John 2:23, Acts 4:18-20).

Mason’s View: There is no exclusivity in Jesus Christ or the Triune God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; therefore there is no doctrine of the deity of Jesus Christ. It is deemed to be un-Masonic to invoke the name of Jesus when praying, or mention His name in the Lodge. Suggesting that Jesus is the only way to God contradicts the principle of tolerance. The name of Jesus has been omitted from biblical verses that are used in Masonic rituals. Jesus is on the same level as other religious leaders.

Human Nature and Sin:

The Bible’s View: All humans are born with a sinful nature, are totally depraved, and need a Savior from sin (Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, Psalm 51:5, Ephesians 2:1). The Bible denies that because of the Fall, humanity has within itself the capacity for moral perfection (1 John 1:8-10, Romans 1:18-25).

Mason’s View: Through symbols and emblems, Masons teach that man is not sinful, just “rude and imperfect by nature”. Human beings are able to improve their character and behavior in various ways, including acts of charity, moral living, and voluntary performance of civic duty. Humanity possesses the ability of moving from imperfection toward total perfection. Moral and spiritual perfection lies within men and women.

When a Christian takes the oath of Freemasonry, he is swearing to the following doctrines that God has pronounced false and sinful:

1. That salvation can be gained by man’s good works.
2. That Jesus is just one of many equally revered prophets.
3. That they will remain silent in the Lodge and not talk of Christ.
4. That they are approaching the Lodge in spiritual darkness and ignorance, when the Bible says Christians are already in the light, children of the light, and are indwelt by the Light of the World—Jesus Christ.
5. By demanding that Christians take the Masonic oath, Masonry leads Christians into blasphemy and taking the name of the Lord in vain.
6. Masonry teaches that its G.A.O.T.U. [Great Architect of the Universe], whom Masonry believes is the true God of the universe, is representative of all gods in all religions.
7. Masonry makes Christians take a universalist approach in their prayers, demanding a “generic” name be used so as not to offend non-believers who are Masonic “brothers”.
8. By swearing the Masonic oath and participating in the doctrines of the Lodge, Christians are perpetuating a false gospel to other Lodge members, who look only to Masonry’s plan of salvation to get to heaven. By their very membership in such a syncretistic type organization, they have severely compromised their witnessing as Christians.
9. By taking the Masonic obligation, the Christian is agreeing to allow the pollution of his mind, spirit, and body by those who serve false gods and believe false doctrines.

As you can see, Masonry denies and contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture, on numerous issues. Masonry also requires people to engage in activities which the Bible condemns. As a result, a Christian should not be a member of any secret society or organization that has any connection with Freemasonry.


I do not see a source reference for your information.
 
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Interesting topic for Baptist.
I have a couple of questions.
Who are the Jesters and what would be their job in the Masonic order?
Is the principal religon Islamic and do they use the Quran?
Or is the full Monty of their doctrine made known after the 33 degrees and they become shriners?
Is there a symbolic meaning to the red fez hats of the Shriners?

Just a few questions JM as well I should ask are you going to have the sword above the Cresent moon bumper sticker?

It's a private matter I suppose ,that you have thought about.
God Bless
 
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Ask them to explain
"MA-HA-BONE"

Why ? You and I both know what time it is your a visitor here like me.
At one time I was a Baptist, and still follow some Baptist Preachers like Charles Lawson,Kent Hovine and Charles Stanly.
 
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Unless someone requires you to sell your soul--or asks you to do that or implies that you should or rewards you if you do so--the claim is meaningless. Since Masonry doesn't ask any member to hold to any particular religion and isn't affiliated itself with any religion, the claim is meaningless. Or shall we rather say it's just wrong? :)
 
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Joining the masons includes taking part in initiation ceremonies... The first of which requires the initiate to declare that he is currently in darkness and is seeking the Light of freemasonry... If a Christian takes part in this initiation then they are declaring that they are in Darkness and thus they are declaring the Christianity they are currently in is Darkness.. This is a total denial of the LORD Jesus Christ..

If one is a Christian then they are already in the Light... To them declare that you are in darkness is an insult to your LORD Jesus Christ.. It is denying Christ..

Christians should Never join Masonry....
 
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The more I learn about the Freemasons the more I realize people from the outside looking in just can't seem to grasp the fraternity. Most of what you read about Masons is 'fake news.' During my research last week I found an order from the Lodge written in 1921 for its members to attend church, any church, to worship Jesus. Doesn't sound cultist to me...sounds like a bunch of dudes that are serious about keeping each other accountable.
Sounds like the fraternity is first in sanctification for their believers.
Does God need the help of masons to hold His Children accountable?
Or are the members accountable to their Shrine ,then God?

God through The Holy Spirit will prick a man's heart,because there is somthing wrong if a man has to justify his fellowships.
 
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If one is a Christian then they are already in the Light... To them declare that you are in darkness is an insult to your LORD Jesus Christ.. It is denying Christ..

Christians should Never join Masonry....
If you interpret it that way, then you probably would not be a good candidate for Masonry. However, what you've explained is not the correct meaning, as the whole of the rituals you are not familiar with make amply clear. If it were not so, no Christian would be a Mason, and yet most members are Christians.
 
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If you interpret it that way, then you probably would not be a good candidate for Masonry. However, what you've explained is not the correct meaning, as the whole of the rituals you are not familiar with make amply clear. If it were not so, no Christian would be a Mason, and yet most members are Christians.

Sadly many people.. Christians or not don't stop to think what they are doing before they swaer oaths.. Indeed if a Christian believes Jesus they will never swaer an Oath..

Matthew 5: KJV
33 "¶ Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: {34} But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: {35} Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. {36} Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. {37} But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

Those who believe Jesus believe His Word on the Matter..

Christians should have nothing to do with masonry.. And if a christian is a mason they should renounce membership and repent to the LORD for their transgression..
 
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Sadly many people.. Christians or not don't stop to think what they are doing before they swaer oaths.. Indeed if a Christian believes Jesus they will never swaer an Oath..
I am aware that a few Christians feel that way. They, of course, should not be Masons or belong to any similar fraternity...or appear as a witness in court, hold political office, swear out a legal claim of any sort, serve in any of the military services, or engage in other civic and social activities of a similar character. My church isn't opposed to any of that, but if you and your church are, by all means be true to your conscience.

Those who believe Jesus believe His Word on the Matter..
For many hundreds of years, that verse has been interpreted by the churches in a different way from what you're describing, and I'm comfortable with the traditional meaning.
 
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I am a Mason and a Christian. I am yet to be in a position where I feel my faith is in danger.

I remember at one stage of my initiation seeing one of the Men I respected most in Church right in front of me holding out his hand with a smile on his face. I immediately felt at ease.
 
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