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I honestly don't care what people think when it comes to this subject anymore because I've learned that most of the nonsense is based on the antimasonry movement of the 1800's and not based in fact. It's like saying your children can't join the a karate class or do yoga because it's not Christian.


Let me tell you, most of what passes for "ministries" in Baptist churches simply are not. That includes AWANA, Vacation Bible School, playing Bible hangman in "Jr. Church" when those kids should be worshiping God in the congregation with their parents,

etc. The list goes on.

You know I personally do not believe in once in grace always in grace either.
I rode the fence on that topic for many years.

I still cannot deny this Passage:

Hebrews 6: 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Then there
is this passage i have always wondered about:
Revelation 3: 3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

You see that you must first have salvation for your name to be written in the Lambs Book of Life.
Verse 5 Jesus says he that overcometh I will not blot his name from the Book of Life.
So if He Jesus Christ can blot a name out,then it must have been placed there already.
 
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Unless someone requires you to sell your soul--or asks you to do that or implies that you should or rewards you if you do so--the claim is meaningless. Since Masonry doesn't ask any member to hold to any particular religion and isn't affiliated itself with any religion, the claim is meaningless. Or shall we rather say it's just wrong? :)

I would ask a question, that can a man proclaim Christ openly among the Masons?
Would that violate their rule of lack of affiliation?

It brings to mind a Verse from Matthew:

Matthew 10: 33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Since it is a matter of affiliation what Does our Lord think about the affiliation?
I suppose I would have to be better informed as to the rules of free Masonary.
 
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I stumbled across this Baptist Webb Site,that claimed Shriners must pledge to Allah.
To my knowlage to become a Shriner is a high order of Masons.
Thoughts?

The Shriners,The Fez, Masons and Islam.
The Shriners,The Fez, Masons and Islam.
 
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All Christians who belong to any fraternities, sororities, freemasonry, or the eastern stars, etc., are committing the sin of idolatry? They must renounce these secret clubs and repent for this sin.

A Christian is not allowed to take secret oaths. If you have taken a secret oath by repeating it have you committed idolatry?

Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[a]
Matthew 5:33-37 ESV

But most of all, my brothers and sisters, never take an oath, by heaven or earth or anything else. Just say a simple yes or no, so that you will not sin and be condemned. James 5:12 NLT
 
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I'm sorry that you got such an impression from that fellow. Most Masons are Christians and churchgoers and not at all "esoteric" or Eastern in their spiritual ideas. It is correct that Masonry doesn't impose any doctrinal ideas upon the members other than that it is required that a member be a monotheist. It's not a religion and no worship services take place.

Incidentally, it's correct that Masonic lodges do not have bars and they are not places for drinking. That's different from most other lodges or groups (usually named after some animal) in which drinking is a leading attraction.

If they require you to be a monotheist, do you denounce Christ?
Or do they allow for one God being 3 spiritual beings.
 
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I would ask a question, that can a man proclaim Christ openly among the Masons?

In the lodge I'm a member of...yes! I was asked to be the Chaplin so you know I'm going to be bringing the Gospel and praying in Christ's name.

Would that violate their rule of lack of affiliation?

In many lodges, yes it would.
 
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Any thoughts on the Masons? A fella I know is joining and I'd thought I'd ask.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
Best bet would probably be to do an internet search.
Use search terms like "masons", "freemasonry", etc etc (use several others arbitrarily - it will work out if you keep seeking until you find out)....
And verify everything, test it , by Scripture....

Too many contradicting opinions here on the forum to know what's what.
 
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Best bet would probably be to do an internet search.
Use search terms like "masons", "freemasonry", etc etc (use several others arbitrarily - it will work out if you keep seeking until you find out)....
And verify everything, test it , by Scripture....

Too many contradicting opinions here on the forum to know what's what.

@yeshuaslavejeff

I joined back in April.
 
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I joined back in April.
No worries (if you belong to God through Jesus).

Many years ago, I joined a much larger, more dangerous, more deceptive group , thinking as everyone I knew did that it was 'good' to do, and a great income.
Not one person that I remember ever warned me against it.

It took a few years, but God saved me anyway - without making me feel guilty at all about this! PURE JOY! PURE FREEDOM! PURE GOSPEL IN JESUS !
 
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I would ask a question, that can a man proclaim Christ openly among the Masons?
Would that violate their rule of lack of affiliation?

It brings to mind a Verse from Matthew:

Matthew 10: 33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Since it is a matter of affiliation what Does our Lord think about the affiliation?
I suppose I would have to be better informed as to the rules of free Masonary.
Not being open is not the same as denying. I am not 'open' about my walk with Christ in my school. Does that mean I am denyig Him? Of course not.
 
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Not being open is not the same as denying. I am not 'open' about my walk with Christ in my school. Does that mean I am denyig Him? Of course not.

EXB
“All those who ·stand before others and say they believe in me [L confess/acknowledge me before people], I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they belong to me [L confess/acknowledge them before my Father in heaven].
GNV
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
GW
“So I will acknowledge in front of my Father in heaven that person who acknowledges me in front of others.
GNT
“Those who declare publicly that they belong to me, I will do the same for them before my Father in heaven.
HCSB
“Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven.
ICB
“If anyone stands before other people and says he believes in me, then I will say that he belongs to me. I will say this before my Father in heaven.
Matthew 10:31-33Expanded Bible (EXB)
31 So don’t be afraid. You are ·worth much more [more valuable] than many sparrows.

32 “All those who ·stand before others and say they believe in me [L confess/acknowledge me before people], I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they belong to me [L confess/acknowledge them before my Father in heaven]. 33 But all who ·stand before others and say they do not believe in me [L deny/disown me before people] I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they do not belong to me [L also deny/disown them before my Father in heaven].
 
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EXB
“All those who ·stand before others and say they believe in me [L confess/acknowledge me before people], I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they belong to me [L confess/acknowledge them before my Father in heaven].
GNV
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
GW
“So I will acknowledge in front of my Father in heaven that person who acknowledges me in front of others.
GNT
“Those who declare publicly that they belong to me, I will do the same for them before my Father in heaven.
HCSB
“Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven.
ICB
“If anyone stands before other people and says he believes in me, then I will say that he belongs to me. I will say this before my Father in heaven.
Matthew 10:31-33Expanded Bible (EXB)
31 So don’t be afraid. You are ·worth much more [more valuable] than many sparrows.

32 “All those who ·stand before others and say they believe in me [L confess/acknowledge me before people], I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they belong to me [L confess/acknowledge them before my Father in heaven]. 33 But all who ·stand before others and say they do not believe in me [L deny/disown me before people] I will ·say before my Father in heaven that they do not belong to me [L also deny/disown them before my Father in heaven].
So do you think I should go around evangelizing everyone everywhere I go, regardless of context? That is how I am reading this?
 
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So do you think I should go around evangelizing everyone everywhere I go, regardless of context? That is how I am reading this?

Yes I do , if it is your verbal witness or the Christ like example you set before others.
No matter the context others will see Christ in you.

Matthew 5: 14. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
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I would ask a question, that can a man proclaim Christ openly among the Masons?
Would that violate their rule of lack of affiliation?


It brings to mind a Verse from Matthew:

Matthew 10: 33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Since it is a matter of affiliation what Does our Lord think about the affiliation?
I suppose I would have to be better informed as to the rules of free Masonary.
Hi, "now faith."

It's been awhile since you wrote your post and Ive been away from the forum for much of the time, so my apologies for the delay, but I owe you my reply. Yes, Christ is mentioned all the time and Masonic ritual leans heavily on the Bible.

What you are referring to as a rule of a lack of affiliation does not exist. I know the churches that most of my brothers attend, and Masonry encourages members to be active in them, in fact, in whatever denomination is theirs. The rule is that all members must be believers in one God and that the human soul is immortal.

If you are a Baptist or an Episcopalian or even a Catholic (the church formally opposes Masonry, as you probably know), it is all the same to the lodge, and I know Masons who belong to all of these plus, of course, other examples that might be mentioned too.

There is no Masonic god and there is no effort to have members agree that all religions are equally good, or anything like that, although there are many people who have heard gossip that says Masons believe in both of those things. It is not so.

Thanks for asking your questions.
 
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