Masks can help you stop the virus

[Hank77]

Some of us have sleep apnea, and have to wear a mask all night long, every night.

How effective are surgical masks?

Why were masks not worn last year during Flu season?

Will people now be expected to wear a mask for the rest of human history?


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My son has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP at night while sleeping. He and his wife are both pharmacists and wouldn't even consider going into a store or any public place without wearing a mask.
If only their fellow Arizonians had been so careful.

 

[Bobber]

I'm curious as to what degree people wearing a mask has effected their quality and enjoyment of life? If we looked at percentages would it be 10%? 30% ? 50%? Maybe more? What seems to be marginalized is that EVERYONE psychologically have different tolerance levels for things.

 

[-57]

Mayo Clinic vs. News 9. I'll stick with the experts at the Mayo Clinic.

So, seeing is not believing?

 

[Archivist]

So, seeing is not believing?

What are the qualifications of the folks at News 9? I will stick with the experts at the Mayo Clinic.

 

[chilehed]

How effective are surgical masks?

A lot more effective than nothing at all. That bit with the guy spraying something through a mask is deceptive, because it doesn't show what it looks like with no mask at all. I guarantee that with no mask the cloud of whatever-it-is is much larger and travels much farther. That video actually is good proof that masks are a cheap way to significantly reduce opportunities for transmission.

Why were masks not worn last year during Flu season?

Are you saying that we shouldn't add to our reasonable precautions list today because we didn't have those items on the list in the past? Or that a precaution that we might not take against one disease should automatically not be taken against a disease that's much more transmissible? Neither of those ideas seem particularly reasonable to me.

Look, I'm entirely sympathetic to the negative responses re. our Governor's capricious, irrational and unconstitutional executive orders. But to say that facemasks, hand washing and social distancing are more than minor inconveniences (other than for cases such as a person who suffers from an emotional disorder), and to refuse to do them merely because some irrelevant civil servant has the arrogance to say I must do so, strikes me as the behavior of a spolied child.

 

[buzuxi02]

Masks do help that's why they are worn in crowded metro stations through out Asia. But we have short memories, remember when those same scientific authorities were saying the opposite. How many remember 3-4 months ago when scientific studies were brought out to show they were ineffective? Such as this one:
Should We All Be Wearing Face Masks? Here's Why Experts Are So Conflicted

 

[Sophrosyne]

I'm curious as to what degree people wearing a mask has effected their quality and enjoyment of life? If we looked at percentages would it be 10%? 30% ? 50%? Maybe more? What seems to be marginalized is that EVERYONE psychologically have different tolerance levels for things.

There is a lot of psychology going on with masks and how the narrative has been managed by health and public officials and the media that I think the comfort of the masks are nothing compared to long term psychological damage they cause from people literally be scared to death and made to think that a mask makes them safe when in fact they are to protect the other guy which assumes ALL the people wearing them are already infected. Being told (slyly, indirectly) that you are infected it may not sink in totally but some people will sort of figure it out and being told that they may DIE if they get infected if in their subconscious they connect the dots...
Let's see 1)Masks protect people from me 2)We must mask, mandatory 3)we must be infected 4)I'm infected 5)We must stop the virus or people DIE 6)Masks stop my infection from making people DIE 7) I am going to die because I am told masks are needed to STOP the virus and I'm wearing a mask to stop my infection.
See how twisted this is? But truly some people DO think like this and get paranoid that they may already be infected or worry themselves to death of getting infected because they had to go to the EXTREME of mandatory masking.
We got to force people to wear masks to keep them from KILLING each other with the virus is the narrative now.

 

[DamianWarS]

COVID aside, there's a never ending plethora of viruses and germs that I actually WANT to be exposed to. We do need to get ill from time to time. When I lived and worked on a dairy farm I was exposed to much worse and came out of it a lot stronger.

Just playing the devil's advocate here - and NO I'm not a scientist or a doctor, I'm well aware of how ignorant I am. But THAT aside, do I have a point? We could all get the common cold in a few years and be walloped for six. (I don't claim to understand the immune system either, I'm just thinking out loud.)

The virus doesn't matter, it's overloading the health care system that does matter. If 60,000 people got hit by cars every day the hospitals would have a problem and be overloaded with people being hit by cars not being able to fully care for other cases. If that were the case it represents a problem and traffic measures would be taken to control traffic, educate people on how to cross the road or drive a car, and perhaps use reflective vests and maybe fines carried out for Jay Walkers or careless drivers etc...

the problem right now is not car accidents it's 60,000 people a day getting this virus for the US. 1% of the population total have contracted the virus for the US in comparison their direct neighbours Canada is 0.28% or Mexico 0.21% and 0.16% for the global average. There is a problem in the US they fail to recognize or fail to respond to.

The real problem is its overloading the healthcare system and the solution is to introduce measures to prevent spreading and lower the number of cases. Why? So we don't have covid? That may not be possible, the real target is so the healthcare system can manage it. So there's no reason to throw up your arms and say nothing can be done. Other countries have figured it out, apparently the US didn't get the memo (or at least didn't read it)

 

[buzuxi02]

Let's see 1)Masks protect people from me 2)We must mask, mandatory 3)we must be infected 4)I'm infected 5)We must stop the virus or people DIE 6)Masks stop my infection from making people DIE 7

The psychological messaging is disgusting and people need to stop being wusses and blame a stranger if they get sick. Maybe we should stop everything and become sloths, after all our driving can kill someone and fast-food kills and on and on.
I want to address argument #6. Surgical masks have that white fabric-like filter sewn in, which is to prevent the doctor from spreading his germs to a patient. Wear the mask inside out and it's more effective in preventing germs from others to you. I'm not sure if anyone's notice, but all those surgical style masks sold in packs at stores and pharmacies and individually at convenience stores no longer have the filter. Yet people are still arguing it stops their own germs from effecting others not realizing the masks sold to them are not the official medical grade masks with the filter.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Wearing a mask cuts own risk of novel coronavirus by 65 percent, experts say
Though I had read research that masks do help the wearer, many still insist that masks only help one not infect others. Like many things with COVID this is a myth.

"We've learned more due to research and additional scientific evidence and now we know [that] not only wearing a mask prevents the person wearing the mask to transmit to others, but wearing the mask protects the person who's wearing it," said Dean Blumberg, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at UC Davis Children’s Hospital."

I would believe a single study pumped out by government and the media since this virus became a big deal. There is no basis for their claims, it's mere guess work. My body, my choice.

 

[Archivist]

I would believe a single study pumped out by government and the media since this virus became a big deal. There is no basis for their claims, it's mere guess work. My body, my choice.

But Romans 13 tells us that we should obey the law. If the government says to wear masks you should do so unless you are excused for a legitimate health issue. In my state the Governor has ordered that masks be worn. Furthermore Scripture tells us that we are to do unto others as we would like to have done unto ourselves. Do you want someone to give you the virus? No? Then you should be willing to take precautions so that you don’t pass it on to others.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The psychological messaging is disgusting and people need to stop being wusses and blame a stranger if they get sick. Maybe we should stop everything and become sloths, after all our driving can kill someone and fast-food kills and on and on.
I want to address argument #6. Surgical masks have that white fabric-like filter sewn in, which is to prevent the doctor from spreading his germs to a patient. Wear the mask inside out and it's more effective in preventing germs from others to you. I'm not sure if anyone's notice, but all those surgical style masks sold in packs at stores and pharmacies and individually at convenience stores no longer have the filter. Yet people are still arguing it stops their own germs from effecting others not realizing the masks sold to them are not the official medical grade masks with the filter.

What is irritating is they spend hours saying..... mask, mask, mask and not a mention of what is a good and bad mask which leads me to believe that they are double speaking saying SAFE and STOP when they only really know it is REDUCE and SLOW there is no "Safe" from this virus except maybe total quarantine.

 

[chilehed]

Surgical masks have that white fabric-like filter sewn in, which is to prevent the doctor from spreading his germs to a patient. Wear the mask inside out and it's more effective in preventing germs from others to you.

Unless you can provide data that shows this to be true, I'll rely on my engineering experinece (and feedback from every filtration engineer I know) which tells me that it's absolute, complete and total nonsense.

 

[buzuxi02]

What is irritating is they spend hours saying..... mask, mask, mask and not a mention of what is a good and bad mask which leads me to believe that they are double speaking saying SAFE and STOP when they only really know it is REDUCE and SLOW there is no "Safe" from this virus except maybe total quarantine.

It's to reduce the spread. In fact just two months ago they said it "may" reduce the risk.
People have short memories and forget the advice these same "scientists" were giving in April.
Here is an article of a scientific study saying masks didn't work in Feb-April then they retracted it in like May when they reversed course:

New study questions the effectiveness of masks against SARS-CoV-2

 

[BABerean2]

A lot more effective than nothing at all. That bit with the guy spraying something through a mask is deceptive, because it doesn't show what it looks like with no mask at all. I guarantee that with no mask the cloud of whatever-it-is is much larger and travels much farther. That video actually is good proof that masks are a cheap way to significantly reduce opportunities for transmission.


Are you saying that we shouldn't add to our reasonable precautions list today because we didn't have those items on the list in the past? Or that a precaution that we might not take against one disease should automatically not be taken against a disease that's much more transmissible? Neither of those ideas seem particularly reasonable to me.

Look, I'm entirely sympathetic to the negative responses re. our Governor's capricious, irrational and unconstitutional executive orders. But to say that facemasks, hand washing and social distancing are more than minor inconveniences (other than for cases such as a person who suffers from an emotional disorder), and to refuse to do them merely because some irrelevant civil servant has the arrogance to say I must do so, strikes me as the behavior of a spolied child.

The 1918 Spanish Flu killed at least 10% of those infected. However, healthy people were not put in quarantine.

A friend's sister works as a nurse. She said the same person who tested positive three times for COVID-19 is counted as three infections.

One of my local funeral homes was told to code all deaths except gunshot wounds, and traffic accidents, as COVID-19.

People do not now die of heart disease, or the seasonal Flu, or old age, due to the current coding.

With all of this manipulation of the data, how do you know what the infection rate really is?

Am I a "spoiled child" for not wanting to wear a mask all night long, and also all day long?

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[BABerean2]

My son has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP at night while sleeping. He and his wife are both pharmacists and wouldn't even consider going into a store or any public place without wearing a mask.
If only their fellow Arizonians had been so careful.

Maybe they should start wearing a full Hazmat suit in public, if they really want to be "careful".

I am a trained Biologist.

Microbes are everywhere.

COVID-19 is a real virus which is being used to further the Globalist agenda found below. Much of what we have been told about this virus is a lie.

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[Sophrosyne]

Unless you can provide data that shows this to be true, I'll rely on my engineering experinece which tells me that it's absolute, complete and total nonsense.

I don't know about these masks but it is possible that the filter has multiple layers that have increasingly smaller "holes" or passages that in the final layer stop virus particles while the outer layers may be more about absorbing fluids

It's to reduce the spread. In fact just two months ago they said it "may" reduce the risk.
People have short memories and forget the advice these same "scientists" were giving in April.
Here is an article of a scientific study saying masks didn't work in Feb-April then they retracted it in like May when they reversed course:

New study questions the effectiveness of masks against SARS-CoV-2

Yes I know it is to reduce the spread but the talking heads have "upgraded" the effectiveness of masks from "reducing" to "stopping" now and from "keeping the at risk safe" to "keeping US (individually) safe" by our actions of "masking" ourselves. Masks reduce the chance as does distancing but keeping people SAFE? no, it doesn't keep anyone safe other than those who are hospital bound already infected that could find the hospital overloaded. These people who are already sick in hospitals aren't "SAFE" and I believer there there is a good amount of them that are not being reported as wearing masks in hospitals that the mask... didn't stop the virus that they wore and thinking it would and acted like it would. I also believe that people who are masked may feel "more safe" such that they take more risks than those who aren't masking.

 

[buzuxi02]

Unless you can provide data that shows this to be true, I'll rely on my engineering experinece (and feedback from every filtration engineer I know) which tells me that it's absolute, complete and total nonsense.

What exactly? That medically approved surgical masks have an additional filter that the ones we buy do not have it? Real Surgical masks are regulated as medical devices not the ones we are using.

Unless you can provide data that shows this to be true, I'll rely on my engineering experinece (and feedback from every filtration engineer I know) which tells me that it's absolute, complete and total nonsense.

I'm not sure what your saying? What I'm saying is those blue surgical masks used in hospitals are medically approved devices while the ones we are buying are knock offs and usually are 1 or 2 ply. This is a video from 2018 explaining surgical masks and their construction, most likely the ones bought lately for mass consumption for covid are far inferior with less filtration ability:

 

[chilehed]

With all of this manipulation of the data, how do you know what the infection rate really is?

Some of what you said is not at all reflective of transmissibility. As for the reports of miscoding, I've heard people say that just as I've heard people say that systemic racism among police is currently the greatest danger to the freedom of black people in America. I don't find either claim to be very compelling, for the same reasons.

Am I a "spoiled child" for not wanting to wear a mask all night long, and also all day long?

If you were in the position of having to do that you probably wouldn't be griping about it. I have to wear a mask for several hours a day at work; I don't like it but as I said it's only a minor inconvenience that provides a real and measureable benefit to me and the entire community. It's less uncomfortable than holding in gas until I get outside, and I do that without complaint even though not doing it wouldn't really hurt anyone at all.

And yes, it would be extremely childish of me to inflate those few hours into "all night long and all day long" in order to justify my tantrum about it.

 

[chilehed]

I'm not sure what your saying?

What I'm saying is that your comment that

"Surgical masks have that white fabric-like filter sewn in, which is to prevent the doctor from spreading his germs to a patient. Wear the mask inside out and it's more effective in preventing germs from others to you."​

was total, complete and absolute nonsense. And the video you posted pretty much proves it: the only difference between the inside and the outside layers is the color.